Raymond Davis Case: Shumaila’s uncle poisoned in Lahore

[Safriz]

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Many of our influential politicians are dog fed by USA,and they are happy to wiggle their tails on Master's command...Its not difficult for CIA or any US agency to find a loyal traitor inside Pakistan who will act on their command and threat,torture and poison the families of Davis case victims...GOP or Army should identify such puppets inside Pakistan and keep them under surveillance as they are the most dangerous for Pakistan's stability.

[Roybot]

Could it be possible that Shumaila didn't commit suicide? She could have been poisoned by the deceased family/anti american elements to foment this issue? And maternal uncle probable found about it, which led to this incident.

I know you guys won't like what i said, but just putting an idea forward. Go easy on me.

[BoseDK]

Could it be possible that Shumaila didn't commit suicide? She could have been poisoned by the deceased family/anti american elements to foment this issue? And maternal uncle probable found about it, which led to this incident.

I know you guys won't like what i said, but just putting an idea forward. Go easy on me.

Classic boss!! The script will now be a melodrama thriller. We shall wait and watch what happens in the climax.

[Developereo]

Could it be possible that Shumaila didn't commit suicide? She could have been poisoned by the deceased family/anti american elements to foment this issue? And maternal uncle probable found about it, which led to this incident.

She was conscious and gave a statement at the hospital where she admitted taking poison.

[VCheng]

Classic boss!! The script will now be a melodrama thriller. We shall wait and watch what happens in the climax.

......... and CUT!! to a sad song with black and white childhood flashbacks and much flag-waving!

[BoseDK]

She was conscious and gave a statement at the hospital where she admitted taking poison.

Hmmm maybe her son/daughter was kidnapped a day earlier and she was asked to make that confession in front of police?? Or simply she could have been threaten that her kids will be killed if she did not give such statements etc etc.

Common guys, if her maternal uncle could be forced to eat poison (and not shot at, which is quite easier and quite possible in pakistan) then any thing can be possible.

This all seems fabricated and filmy.

[indianrabbit]

I hope it doesn't turn out it was some Pakistani who did it... Then they'll say "Oh look you guys are just making all this crap up"

That is most likely going to be the case.

[BoseDK]

Remember the (not so) famous faked pakistani wikileaks?

[Developereo]

That is most likely going to be the case.

Hired thugs.

[VCheng]

On a serious note though, the reals players on both sides are still engaging in all sorts of spy games:


from: ISI ready to split with CIA, report claims | Pakistan | DAWN.COM


ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence is ready to split with the CIA because of frustration over what it calls heavy-handed pressure and its anger over what it believes is a covert US operation involving hundreds of contract spies, according to an internal document obtained by The Associated Press and interviews with US and Pakistani officials.

According to a statement drafted by the ISI, supported by interviews with officials, an already-fragile relationship between the two agencies collapsed following the shooting to death of two Pakistanis by Raymond Davis, a US contracted spy who is in jail in Pakistan facing possible multiple murder charges.

“Post-incident conduct of the CIA has virtually put the partnership into question,” said a media statement prepared by the ISI but never released. A copy was obtained this week by the AP.

The statement accused the CIA of using pressure tactics to free Davis.

“It is hard to predict if the relationship will ever reach the level at which it was prior to the Davis episode,” the statement said. “The onus of not stalling this relationship between the two agencies now squarely lies on the CIA.”

The ISI fears there are hundreds of CIA contracted spies operating in Pakistan without the knowledge of either the Pakistan government or the intelligence agency, a senior Pakistani intelligence official told the AP in an interview. He spoke only on condition he not be identified on grounds that exposure would compromise his security.

Pakistani intelligence had no idea who Davis was or what he was doing when he was arrested, the official said, adding that there are concerns about “how many more Raymond Davises are out there.”

Davis was arrested January 27 in Lahore after shooting two Pakistanis. A third Pakistani was killed by a US Consulate vehicle coming to assist the American. Pakistan demanded the driver be handed over, but the AP has learned the two US employees in the car now are in the United States.

Davis has pleaded self-defence, but the Lahore police upon completing their investigation said they would seek murder charges. The ISI official told the AP that Davis had contacts in the tribal regions and knew both the men he shot. He said the ISI is investigating the possibility that the encounter on the streets of Lahore stemmed from a meeting or from threats to Davis.

US officials deny Davis had prior contact with the men before the incident, and CIA spokesman George Little said any problems between the two agencies will be sorted out.

“The CIA works closely with our Pakistani counterparts on a wide range of security challenges, including our common fight against al Qaeda and its terrorist allies,” he said. “The agency’s ties to ISI have been strong over the years, and when there are issues to sort out, we work through them. That’s the sign of a healthy partnership.”

The CIA repeatedly has tried to penetrate the ISI and learn more about Pakistan’s nuclear program. The ISI has mounted its own operations to gather intelligence on the CIA’s counterterrorism activities.

The ISI is now scouring thousands of visas issued to US employees in Pakistan. The ISI official said Davis’ visa application contains bogus references and phone numbers. He said thousands of visas were issued to US Embassy employees over the past five months following a government directive to the Pakistan Embassy in Washington to issue visas without the usual vetting by the interior ministry and the ISI. The same directive was issued to the Pakistan embassies in Britain and the United Arab Emirates, he said.

Within two days of receiving that directive, the Pakistani Embassy issued 400 visas and since then thousands more have been issued, said the ISI official. A Western diplomat in Pakistan agreed that a “floodgate” opened for US Embassy employees requesting Pakistani visas.

The ISI official said his agency knows and works with “the bona fide CIA people in Pakistan” but is upset that the CIA would send others over behind its back. For now, he said, his agency is not talking with the CIA at any level, including the most senior.

To regain support and assistance, he said, “they have to start showing respect, not belittling us, not being belligerent to us, not treating us like we are their lackeys.”

Nato and US operations in Afghanistan could be adversely effected by a split between the ISI and the CIA. Washington complains bitterly about Pakistan’s alleged refusal to go after the Haqqani network, which is believed to be the strongest fighting force in Afghanistan and closely allied with al Qaeda.

The ISI official said Pakistan is fed up with Washington’s complaints, and he accused the CIA of planting stories about ISI assistance to the Haqqani network.

Relations between the CIA and ISI have been on a downward slide since the name of the US agency’s station chief in Pakistan was leaked in a lawsuit accusing him of killing civilians in a drone strike.

Fearing for his safety, the CIA eventually pulled the station chief out of the country. ISI leaders balked at allegations that they outed the CIA top spy in their country. Former and current US officials believe the station chief fell out of favour, but the Pakistanis say this is not the case

Those accusations and the naming of ISI chief Shuja Pasha in a civil lawsuit in the United States — filed by family members of victims of a November 2008 attack in Mumbai, India, by insurgents — started the downslide in relations, the ISI official said.

To help repair the crucial relationship, the CIA earlier this year dispatched a very senior officer to be the new station chief who was previously the head of the European Division, one of the most important jobs in the National Clandestine Service, the agency’s spy arm.

The spy agencies have overcome lows before. During President George W. Bush’s first term, the ISI became enraged after it shared intelligence with the United States, only to learn that the then-CIA station chief passed that information to the British. The incident caused a serious row, one that threatened the CIA’s relationship with the ISI and deepened the levels of distrust between the two sides.

[BoseDK]

This whole drama of, making someone eat poison at midnight, is work of locals and hired goons to whip anti-american sentiments.

Americans are not fools.

[Roybot]

Classic boss!! The script will now be a melodrama thriller. We shall wait and watch what happens in the climax.

You never know man, there are lot of people out their who like taking advantage of peoples sensitivities and emotions.

She was conscious and gave a statement at the hospital where she admitted taking poison.

Ah fair enough, didn't know that.

[indianrabbit]

Hired thugs.

yes that is what I mean. you know it will not be easy for american to do it and it is cheaper to be done by Paksitani and it is safer to deny.

[indianrabbit]

On a serious note though, the reals players on both sides are still engaging in all sorts of spy games:


from: ISI ready to split with CIA, report claims | Pakistan | DAWN.COM


ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence is ready to split with the CIA because of frustration over what it calls heavy-handed pressure and its anger over what it believes is a covert US operation involving hundreds of contract spies, according to an internal document obtained by The Associated Press and interviews with US and Pakistani officials.

According to a statement drafted by the ISI, supported by interviews with officials, an already-fragile relationship between the two agencies collapsed following the shooting to death of two Pakistanis by Raymond Davis, a US contracted spy who is in jail in Pakistan facing possible multiple murder charges.

“Post-incident conduct of the CIA has virtually put the partnership into question,” said a media statement prepared by the ISI but never released. A copy was obtained this week by the AP.

The statement accused the CIA of using pressure tactics to free Davis.

“It is hard to predict if the relationship will ever reach the level at which it was prior to the Davis episode,” the statement said. “The onus of not stalling this relationship between the two agencies now squarely lies on the CIA.”

The ISI fears there are hundreds of CIA contracted spies operating in Pakistan without the knowledge of either the Pakistan government or the intelligence agency, a senior Pakistani intelligence official told the AP in an interview. He spoke only on condition he not be identified on grounds that exposure would compromise his security.

Pakistani intelligence had no idea who Davis was or what he was doing when he was arrested, the official said, adding that there are concerns about “how many more Raymond Davises are out there.”

Davis was arrested January 27 in Lahore after shooting two Pakistanis. A third Pakistani was killed by a US Consulate vehicle coming to assist the American. Pakistan demanded the driver be handed over, but the AP has learned the two US employees in the car now are in the United States.

Davis has pleaded self-defence, but the Lahore police upon completing their investigation said they would seek murder charges. The ISI official told the AP that Davis had contacts in the tribal regions and knew both the men he shot. He said the ISI is investigating the possibility that the encounter on the streets of Lahore stemmed from a meeting or from threats to Davis.

US officials deny Davis had prior contact with the men before the incident, and CIA spokesman George Little said any problems between the two agencies will be sorted out.

“The CIA works closely with our Pakistani counterparts on a wide range of security challenges, including our common fight against al Qaeda and its terrorist allies,” he said. “The agency’s ties to ISI have been strong over the years, and when there are issues to sort out, we work through them. That’s the sign of a healthy partnership.”

The CIA repeatedly has tried to penetrate the ISI and learn more about Pakistan’s nuclear program. The ISI has mounted its own operations to gather intelligence on the CIA’s counterterrorism activities.

The ISI is now scouring thousands of visas issued to US employees in Pakistan. The ISI official said Davis’ visa application contains bogus references and phone numbers. He said thousands of visas were issued to US Embassy employees over the past five months following a government directive to the Pakistan Embassy in Washington to issue visas without the usual vetting by the interior ministry and the ISI. The same directive was issued to the Pakistan embassies in Britain and the United Arab Emirates, he said.

Within two days of receiving that directive, the Pakistani Embassy issued 400 visas and since then thousands more have been issued, said the ISI official. A Western diplomat in Pakistan agreed that a “floodgate” opened for US Embassy employees requesting Pakistani visas.

The ISI official said his agency knows and works with “the bona fide CIA people in Pakistan” but is upset that the CIA would send others over behind its back. For now, he said, his agency is not talking with the CIA at any level, including the most senior.

To regain support and assistance, he said, “they have to start showing respect, not belittling us, not being belligerent to us, not treating us like we are their lackeys.”

Nato and US operations in Afghanistan could be adversely effected by a split between the ISI and the CIA. Washington complains bitterly about Pakistan’s alleged refusal to go after the Haqqani network, which is believed to be the strongest fighting force in Afghanistan and closely allied with al Qaeda.

The ISI official said Pakistan is fed up with Washington’s complaints, and he accused the CIA of planting stories about ISI assistance to the Haqqani network.

Relations between the CIA and ISI have been on a downward slide since the name of the US agency’s station chief in Pakistan was leaked in a lawsuit accusing him of killing civilians in a drone strike.

Fearing for his safety, the CIA eventually pulled the station chief out of the country. ISI leaders balked at allegations that they outed the CIA top spy in their country. Former and current US officials believe the station chief fell out of favour, but the Pakistanis say this is not the case

Those accusations and the naming of ISI chief Shuja Pasha in a civil lawsuit in the United States — filed by family members of victims of a November 2008 attack in Mumbai, India, by insurgents — started the downslide in relations, the ISI official said.

To help repair the crucial relationship, the CIA earlier this year dispatched a very senior officer to be the new station chief who was previously the head of the European Division, one of the most important jobs in the National Clandestine Service, the agency’s spy arm.

The spy agencies have overcome lows before. During President George W. Bush’s first term, the ISI became enraged after it shared intelligence with the United States, only to learn that the then-CIA station chief passed that information to the British. The incident caused a serious row, one that threatened the CIA’s relationship with the ISI and deepened the levels of distrust between the two sides.

Although Pakistan and India are enemy, I support Pakistan in this case and the same was reflected in views posted by Indians on Indian channels.
I buy this article to large extent.

[secretservice]

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This whole drama of, making someone eat poison at midnight, is work of locals and hired goons to whip anti-american sentiments.

Americans are not fools.

BS....Americans are not fools neither we are fools...this man was spy...he take 4 lives..and he should be hanged according to our law....all those hypocrites- go to he**