Where 5,000 Graves Don’t Speak

[MM_Haider]

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These could also be the graves of Pakistani terrorists or rather Pakistani soldiers who were killed in Kargil and then the Pakistanis refused to take the dead bodies back.

you moron these are the graves of those who were fighting for freedom from oppressive govt.. till GoI proves it otherwise.. will GoI do that? why is your govt afraid of carrying out an independent investigation?

[fateh71]

If the cost of DNA testing is too high for pakistan, there are other ways. Recently at a dife e pakistan rally one of the charity workers was bragging how he sent some 3 thousand young civilians to die in kashmir and afghanistan. If the pak govt contacts these charity workers a lot of these graves can be traced very easily.

But as said earlier, pakistan is not cooperating. The experience during kargil was so bad that they taking back these non state actors remains is remote. Instead it is much more tempting for pakistan state to use this issue for propaganda.

[salman108]

What is terrorism ? and what is Jihad ?

Once this can be cleared, a lot of other problems will be solved.

[Supply&Demand]

What is terrorism ? and what is Jihad ?

Once this can be cleared, a lot of other problems will be solved.

In today's world..both are synonymous..
if u have problem with the gov..then there is a way to fight ...non-violently..u pick up arms, then u are a terrorist...u can call i whatever u want..but the world will see it as terrorism..

[kumarkumar1867]

1. The correct number of such graves found is 2156 not 5000.

2. Up to 70,000 people died in the 22-year insurgency in Kashmir, which pitted armed separatist groups, many backed by Pakistan against New Delhi's rule. Thousands of Kashmiri pandits and hindus are either missing or have forced to leave their homes.

3. Its not sure weather the graves are of militants, kashmiris or hindu minorities.

4. The search was itself done by State Human Right Deptt which is funded by Indian Govt. So one must understand if it was Indian govt or Indian Army behind this killing these things would have been suppressed before it reaches us.

[Pak-one]

The 1 lakh kashmiri civilians are killed and 20 thousand kashmiri women are raped by indian army since 1987. The question is why indian army started killing and raping kashmiri muslims only after 1987, not before that. What did we get for sending jihadis to kashmir?. I personally know many kashmiris, one thing that you would note about them is that they are neither religous nor are they ****** type. When we were sending jihadis to kashmir, were we thinking about its consequences of it on lives of locals? who are by nature very "peaceful" people. Now because of mujahideens, india always station many lakhs of soldiers and with it comes the crimes against local civilians.
If pakistan is so sincere about "muslims" of kashmir, not piece of land, then why it has never raised voice of independant kashmir country, comprising of both indian and pakistani kashmir. One thing is clear that you cant forcibly take kashmir from india.

[karan.1970]

The Indian policy, like all criminals', is to hush everything up under the guise of 'moving on'. The important thing is for the activists to make sure justice is served no matter how long it takes and how much the Indian army criminals try to bury the matter.

Arent those activists a part of the same Criminal India ???

Just making the assumption that all the people in those graves were murdered by state forces is not only incorrect and but also speaks of clear bias. Yes some or many of them may be murdered by the state forces but there is an equal chance that some or many of them were murdered by terrorists and many of them could be Kashmiri pandits dead bodies as well.Don't forget many kashmiri minorities have been killed since the beginning of the conflict in 1989.

and may i ask this lady/guy what have the Kashmiri muslims ever done about the Kashmiri minorities murdered and those ethnically displaced and are living as refugees even today. You never hear them talking about their rights , their fate . Are they not important just because they don't submit to the almighty allah ?They want everyone to look at their dead but they dont care about the dead of other communities .That is why nobody takes what these people have to say seriously. Their bias is always so clear that it has started disgusting people.

Why would Pakistanis talk about the dead terrorists and civilians killed by them.. Get real dude

Yeah just like Balochistan and NWFP .

Btw , does this forum allow to refer to a professional national army as criminals . I am not sure .

Only if it is Indian Army...

[Developereo]

Firstly , what happened to the Kashmiri Pandits in Kashmir was not a riot .

That situation was analogous to what happened during the 1947 partition. This situation we are discussing here is about the official Indian army committing systematic rapes and murders in an internationally disputed, occupied territory, on people who are technically foreign subjects.

Investigation is being carried out if i am not wrong . I can be corrected

The Indian government is NOT investigating these graves. It wants to 'bury' the matter and 'move on'.

About referring to Indian army as criminals , you are again pre-judging the Indian army making your bias clear .

The involvement of active duty personnel of the Indian army in Kashmir rapes and murders has been proven in court. Hence it is correct to refer to these individuals as criminals, regardless of their being part of an organized military. No one is alleging that the Indian army as a composite body is a criminal organization.

One would expect that from a think tank .

One would expect reading comprehension from members instead of knee-jerk tantrums.

[Neuro]

How many times you people discussing the same topic? and everybody knows its false allegations.

[Bhairava]

The 1 lakh kashmiri civilians are killed and 20 thousand kashmiri women are raped by indian army since 1987.


The question is why indian army started killing and raping kashmiri muslims only after 1987, not before that. What did we get for sending jihadis to kashmir?. I personally know many kashmiris, one thing that you would note about them is that they are neither religous nor are they ****** type. When we were sending jihadis to kashmir, were we thinking about its consequences of it on lives of locals? who are by nature very "peaceful" people. Now because of mujahideens, india always station many lakhs of soldiers and with it comes the crimes against local civilians.
If pakistan is so sincere about "muslims" of kashmir, not piece of land, then why it has never raised voice of independant kashmir country, comprising of both indian and pakistani kashmir. One thing is clear that you cant forcibly take kashmir from india.

I agree with the rest of the post....you got any credible neutral sources for the first line ?

That situation was analogous to what happened during the 1947 partition.

No it is not. What happened in 47 were spontaneous communal riots. What happened to the Kashmiri Hindu Pandits was targeted, deliberate, ethnic cleansing aided and abetted by Pakistan.

The Indian government is NOT investigating these graves. It wants to 'bury' the matter and 'move on'.

Yeah right.It makes fat sense for a Govt wanting to bury the matter to actually reveal that there has been a mass cemetry in so and so place.

The involvement of active duty personnel of the Indian army in Kashmir rapes and murders has been proven in court.

One-off exceptions. Give me one "clean" CI campaign anywhere in the world.

[LaBong]

Unlike Pakistan, India engaged the insurgents using infantry. They were hunted down zeroed in and eliminated. On the other hand Pakistan prefer to use f16 and drones to engage the insurgents in kp.

India is miles ahead of Pakistan when it comes to coin ops.

Not to mention using heavy artillery at baluchistan.

[Pak-one]

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I agree with the rest of the post....you got any credible neutral sources for the first line ?



No it is not. What happened in 47 were spontaneous communal riots. What happened to the Kashmiri Hindu Pandits was targeted, deliberate, ethnic cleansing aided and abetted by Pakistan.



Yeah right.It makes fat sense for a Govt wanting to bury the matter to actually reveal that there has been a mass cemetry in so and so place.



One-off exceptions. Give me one "clean" CI campaign anywhere in the world.

No i do not have any credible source, i heard such figures from ptv channel. May be 50 or 60 thousand are killed instead of 1 lakh in last 25 years, but surely kashmiri civilians are getting killed and raped. All the armies of the world operate in same manner in the insurgency areas, they some times resort to brutality and rapes. Look at actions of americans in vietnam afghanistan and iraq. Pak army commited crimes in east pakistan. Indian army is responding to kashmir insurgency with brutality...