Future of Pakistans water once India blocks all routes?

[Jade]

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I wish there was a better way to get away with boo boo.. Anyways, I can understand your position. Please carry own, keep enlightening us with the remarkable tactics ever compiled by human brain. Thread is all yours.

There is nothing to carry on. Nukes are not toys as if they can be used arbitrarily. One of you compatriot brings in hypothetical situation of no relevance, and then more of compatriot jumps in and nukes India as if India is waiting to get nuked. Talk sense.

You wanna talk serious nuke $hit, lets talk. Like I said earlier, your boosted fission device did not work during the tests which were conducted in Pokharan. One of the scientist guys present there and was heading a team, known as Iyenger, said it publicly that, this particular test was a failure. If this test failed, how could you have a bigger bum than your own i.e. 240 mega ton nuke.

And if you meant what you said, then get both your ankles in a cast as both these are fractured.

Wanna talk more.



Please call it ankle. That's where it resides.

Now I am not interested in your knowledge on Indian nukes. What is your credibility?

[Ticker]

There is nothing to carry on. Nukes are not toys as if they can be used arbitrarily. One of you compatriot brings in hypothetical situation of no relevance, and then more of compatriot jumps in and nukes India as if India is waiting to get nuked. Talk sense.



Now I am not interested in your knowledge on Indian nukes. What is your credibility?

Google it kid and read. I don't have time for morons who are seeking credibility when they talk crap.

[Agni5000]

Pakistan has no balls to use nuke. If they have, why not they say

- Give us kashmir or we will nuke you?
- Give us all the water or nuke you?

[Jade]

Google it kid and read. I don't have time for morons who are seeking credibility when they talk crap.

So Google is your source. Enough said

[Mwaleem24]

I didn't want to get into a debate on what Pakistan would do militarily to india or India to Pakistan*

As third eye said, it was a genuine concern , has Pakistan got other resources or sources ? Would pak start recycling water or use sea water with solar desalination , has Pakistan got other rivers (to be able to make dams on) to compensate for loss of water ?

That was simply my query, I know for a fact both countries would do ALOT of damage to each other ALOT, but then no one would need water as know to use it !But that wasn't my question , thank you*

[Bhairava]

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India is bound to Indus water treaty, all diplomatic channels are open for Pakistan.

Ultimately, in a war scenario, these treaties are not worth the paper they are written on.

[INDIC]

Ultimately, in a war scenario, these treaties are not worth the paper they are written on.

I think we should use IWT as the bargaining chip for transit route to Central Asia via Wagah or the gas pipeline.

[Fireurimagination]

India is building dozens of barges with the same India can control the water and produce electricity, also it can control the flow, Pakistan is scared India will do so in the harvesting season, India is eligible 100% for the same under IWT, what Pakistan has to worry about is water in the harvesting season and not water in general. For that Pakistan will have to look at water harvesting, building of canals etc but the same will require money but sadly Pakistan spends all the money on armed forces to threaten a 7 times bigger and thrice as powerful country militarily

[hinduguy]

Ultimately, in a war scenario, these treaties are not worth the paper they are written on.

We respected the treaty during 65, 71 wars. Why wont we respect it in future.
Also, stopping water is not a joke, we will have to make a network of kanals to divert water. How is that suddenly possible during war?

[Bang Galore]

By BRAHMA CHELLANEY

NEW DELHI — Reciprocity is the first principle of diplomacy, and India has walked the extra mile to befriend neighbors, as underscored by its record on land and water disputes. Yet today, India lives in the world's most-troubled neighborhood.

India's generosity on land issues has been well documented. It includes its acceptance of Burmese sovereignty over the Kabaw Valley in 1953, its surrender of British-inherited extraterritorial rights in Tibet in 1954, its giving back of the strategic Haji Pir Pass to Pakistan after the 1965 war, and its similar return of territorial gains plus 93,000 prisoners after the 1971 war that led to East Pakistan's secession as Bangladesh.

Less well known is India's generosity on shared river waters, although it is now reeling under a growing water crisis.

The world's most generous water-sharing pact is the 1960 Indus Waters Treaty, under which India agreed to set aside 80.52 percent of the waters of the six-river Indus system for Pakistan, keeping for itself just the remaining 19.48 percent share. Both in terms of the sharing ratio as well as the total quantum of waters reserved for a downstream state, this treaty's munificence is unsurpassed in scale in the annals of international water treaties.

Indeed, the volume of water earmarked for Pakistan is more than 90 times greater than the 1.85 billion cubic meters the U.S. is required to release for Mexico under the 1944 U.S.-Mexico Water Treaty.

This unparalleled water generosity, however, only invited trouble for India. Within five years of the Indus treaty, Pakistan launched its second war against India to grab the rest of the disputed territory of Jammu and Kashmir before India had recovered from its humiliating rout in 1962 at the hands of the Chinese. In the first war soon after its creation in 1947, Pakistan seized more than one-third of the original princely state of Jammu and Kashmir.

India's 1996 Ganges river treaty with Bangladesh guarantees minimum cross-border flows in the dry season — a new principle in international water law. In fact, the treaty equally divides the dry-season downstream Ganges flows between the two countries, while in other seasons when the total Ganges flows average more than 71.48 billion cubic meters per year, Bangladesh's share is larger than India's.

Today, Pakistan expects eternal Indian munificence on water even as its military establishment continues to export terror. Yet, with all the water flowing downstream under the treaty, the same question must haunt the Pakistani generals as Lady Macbeth in William Shakespeare's Macbeth: "Will all great Neptune's ocean wash this blood clean from my hand?"

In 2010, Pakistan filed a case with the International Court of Arbitration to halt India's construction of a modest-size, 330-megawatt Kishenganga hydropower plant. Even as India last fall suspended work on the project in response to the arbitration proceedings, Pakistan has fast-tracked its own three-times-larger, Chinese-aided hydropower project at a nearby border site on the same stream, apparently to gain priority right on river-water use under the doctrine of prior appropriation.

Meanwhile, India's portion of the Indus basin — according to the 2030 Water Resources Group, an international consortium of private-sector companies and institutions — confronts a massive 52 percent deficit between water supply and demand.

The Ganges treaty's allocations to Bangladesh, while not comparable to the cross-border flows under the Indus treaty, are much larger than the combined allocations set out in the world's other inter-country water accords signed since the 1990s, including the Jordan-Israel water arrangements, the Komati River sharing between South Africa and Swaziland, and the Lebanese-Syrian agreements over the Orontes and El-Kabir rivers.

Because of the Ganges precedent, Bangladesh now is pressing India to similarly reserve by treaty half of the flows of another but smaller river — the Teesta. And New Delhi seems ready to oblige.

Under the Indian Constitution, water is a provincial issue, not a federal matter. Yet Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has sought to strong-arm a reluctant West Bengal state into accepting a Teesta River treaty on terms dictated by New Delhi.

The fact is that unlike Bangladesh, India is already a seriously water-stressed country. Whereas the annual per-capita water availability in Bangladesh averages 8,252 cubic meters, it has fallen to a paltry 1,560 cubic meters in India.

Lost in such big-hearted diplomacy is the fact that a parched and thirsty India is downriver from China, which, far from wanting to emulate India's Indus- or Ganges-style water munificence, rejects the very concept of water sharing.

Instead, the Chinese construction of upstream dams on international rivers such as the Mekong, Salween, Brahmaputra, Arun, Sutlej, Indus, Irtysh, Illy and Amur shows that Beijing is increasingly bent on unilateral actions, impervious to the concerns of downstream nations.

Over the next decade, as if to underscore the strategic importance it gives to controlling water resources, China plans to build more large dams than the U.S. or India has managed in its entire history.

By seeking to have its hand on Asia's water tap through an extensive upstream infrastructure, China challenges India's interests more than any other country's.

Although a number of nations stretching from Afghanistan to Vietnam receive waters from the Tibetan Plateau, India's direct dependency on Tibetan waters is greater than that of any other country. With about a dozen important rivers flowing in from the Tibetan Himalayan region, India gets almost one-third of all its yearly water supplies of 1,911 billion cubic meters from Tibet, according to the latest U.N. data.

Against this background, it is fair to ask: Is India condemned to perpetual generosity toward its neighbors?

This question has assumed added urgency because India has started throwing money around as part of its newly unveiled aid diplomacy — $1 billion in aid to Bangladesh, one-fifth as grant; $500 million to Myanmar; $300 million to Sri Lanka; $140 million to the Maldives; and hundreds of millions of dollars in new aid to Afghanistan and Nepal. If pursued with wishful thinking, such aid generosity is likely to meet the same fate as water munificence.

Generosity in diplomacy can yield rich dividends if it is part of a strategically geared outreach designed to ameliorate the regional-security situation so that India can play a larger global role. But if it is not anchored in the fundamentals of international relations — including reciprocity and leverage building — India risks accentuating its tyranny of geography, even as it is left holding the bag.


Brahma Chellaney's most recent book is "Water: Asia's New Battleground" (Georgetown University Press).


Munificently treading water | The Japan Times Online

[aks18]

India is building dozens of barges with the same India can control the water and produce electricity, also it can control the flow, Pakistan is scared India will do so in the harvesting season, India is eligible 100% for the same under IWT, what Pakistan has to worry about is water in the harvesting season and not water in general. For that Pakistan will have to look at water harvesting, building of canals etc but the same will require money but sadly Pakistan spends all the money on armed forces to threaten a 7 times bigger and thrice as powerful country militarily

playing with nature is not that much easy kid , india can damage the agricultural base of pakistan but can not completely stop the all the rivers .. major source of water to pakistan is River indus Which is the Backbone of Agricultural Economy Of Pakistan and it irrigates Punjab nd Sindh's Major Part and its is being fed by world's largest glaciers and big Tributaries including
Nagar River
Astor River
Balram River
Dras River
Gar River
Ghizar River
Gilgit River
Gumal River
Kabul River
Kurram River
Panjnad River
Shigar River

That is Why People Call this River Abasin Also Which Means " Father Of Rivers" .

nw dont tell me you guys gona jam the glaciers melting process too , surely india's objective is to damage pakistan agriculturally but you can only damage you cant stop every river though indus is coming from your side but its major Tributaries are in pakistan,, And About Jehlum river you can surely block water from your side but major Tributaries of Jehlum river Are Neelum River at which indians are trying to steal water my making tunnels in the mountains of kashmir and second major Tributary is Kunhar River which Flows through kaghan Valley ...and For You Can Stop water of jehlum and can turn pakistan into barren land in your dreams .... and About Chenab River at that one you have the major control cz non of Water Tributary of any Pakistani river falls in it . we can easily face this situation made by the indians IF our leaders takes some serious steps towards the Proposed DAM sites .

[jayron]

our politicians did a great disservice to the nation by signing Indus water treaty. International diplomacy and friendship cannot be at the cost of our people. The treaty must be rewritten for an equal share of the waters.

[trinity]

playing with nature is not that much easy kid , india can damage the agricultural base of pakistan but can not completely stop the all the rivers .. major source of water to pakistan is River indus Which is the Backbone of Agricultural Economy Of Pakistan and it irrigates Punjab nd Sindh's Major Part and its is being fed by world's largest glaciers and big Tributaries including
Nagar River
Astor River
Balram River
Dras River
Gar River
Ghizar River
Gilgit River
Gumal River
Kabul River
Kurram River
Panjnad River
Shigar River

That is Why People Call this River Abasin Also Which Means " Father Of Rivers" .

nw dont tell me you guys gona jam the glaciers melting process too , surely india's objective is to damage pakistan agriculturally but you can only damage you cant stop every river though indus is coming from your side but its major Tributaries are in pakistan,, And About Jehlum river you can surely block water from your side but major Tributaries of Jehlum river Are Neelum River at which indians are trying to steal water my making tunnels in the mountains of kashmir and second major Tributary is Kunhar River which Flows through kaghan Valley ...and For You Can Stop water of jehlum and can turn pakistan into barren land in your dreams .... and About Chenab River at that one you have the major control cz non of Water Tributary of any Pakistani river falls in it . we can easily face this situation made by the indians IF our leaders takes some serious steps towards the Proposed DAM sites .

Never say never. Haven;t you seen China;s 3 gorges dam?

[genmirajborgza786]

steps have already been taken Pakistan is building desalination plant
,as we know that Pakistan also builds nuclear plants (350mw) plus uranium is also one of the natural sources (gilgit-baltistan is quite rich in this regards) Allah has given us the human mind gifts in abundance one of which is science & technology, so if push comes to shove these can be utilized


karachi desalination plant

Karachi Distilation Plant | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

http://www.urbanpk.com/upkgallery/pr...7%20-%2001.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4124/...c77ff65dfa.jpg


http://www.dhakarachi.org/Mega_proj_power_desal.asp

gwadar desalination plant under construction

http://gwadarcorner.com/images/IMG_6627.jpg

Pakistan is the first Muslim country in the world to construct and operate civil nuclear power plants
Nuclear power in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so lets just chill & focus on nation building, industrialization,improving the economy, strengthening , improving our defense capabilities, improving law & order,controlling corruption, good border management & above all good governance & Pakistan will be well on its way to power & prosperity

[A.Muqeet khan]

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If Pakistan fails diplomatically then the only way left would be too bomb Indian dams. If you don't want to take that as an option then just brace yourself for no water. Bombing Indian dams would trigger war though so that should be taken into account. IMO any future war will be the last war for Indo-Pak.

and not only will that be the last war but mark my words it may sound stupid marks my word. world war 3 will not happen before indo -pak. It will happen after indo-pak or simultaneously with middle east as a trigger point (in third world war ).

i disagree-

on what grounds