US intelligence indicates Turkish F4 downed by AA guns in Syrian airspace

[Barrack-Obummer]

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Dear, there is a difference in arguing/discussing and trolling, you can't term every argument as troll!
I personally, have not gone through all those threads, what you refer.



My dear, Syria is in state of war with its own people, and desperately trying to invoke a war in the region.
What do you expect from the other countries, who are receiving refuges, defected soldiers, PKK safe heavens, aggressive political statements and now act of war!
I leave it to you to propose a better solution about how Turkey shall react?
IMO.. all responsibility of potential war lies squarely with Asad.

I agree. The sooner Asad realizes he can not win this revolution the better. All great leaders know when to throw in the towel.

Sadly, the only way he will be leaving is in bits and pieces or a body bag, there's just too much blood on his hands to make this right.

[Era_923]

Thats what they say, though most of the conservative muslims I saw were hating jews generally, considering all jews zionists etc.

kollang

I didn't know there was a survey for that ? I guess all the Iranians here from that %40.

Government's interests are not always based on religion, especially in Turkey, why we came to this after ll ? we are discuissing Iran's foreign policy which is clear as sky.

Dude,it has nothing to do with sect.Syria was the only country who stood with us in Iraqi invasion.They supported Iran in that war.You have absolutely no idea what foreign policy and diplomatic relations between countries is based on.
If you see Iran doesn't have good relations with some Sunni countries,that's not because we hate them,it's because they hate us and act against us.Want proof? Look at Iran-Iraq war and how those Arab puppets supported Saddam in war.
We have good relations with Turkey,although it's a secular state but it has a Sunni majority population.The same about Oman.See?It's not all about sect.

[kollang]

Thats what they say, though most of the conservative muslims I saw were hating jews generally, considering all jews zionists etc.

kollang

I didn't there was a survey for that ? I guess all the Iranians here from that %40.

Government's interests are not always based on religion, especially in Turkey, why we came to this after ll ? we are discuissing Iran's foreign policy which is clear as sky.

when some syrian bastards burn our holy flag,i became an assad supporter.also there are some Iranian here who back syrian opposition.
anyway we should consider some difference between oppositions and so called FSA

and dont forget Iran's foreign policy here is not the case.

[BATMAN]

Were the Turkish Phantoms ‘Teasing’ Syrian Air Defenses for NATO’s ELINT Collection?

Only if you knew what's happening in Turkish territory next to Iraq and Syrian border!

Further more situation is aggravated by daily jingoisitc statements of Maliki and Asad!

Pilot could have astrayed mistakenly few yards into Syrian territory, yet no one on this forum can say with authority where was Turkish a/c flying.

I believe, This incidence will not change Turkish policy of flying its jets over PPK infested regions.

If Syria has decided to shoot every Turkish plane getting astrayed into its territory than it is certainly a wrong approach.

[abay]

News of sold media. We know what is mission of "Wall Street Journal".

[asad71]

1.There is little doubt Turkey was testing Syria' Air Def. It turns out these are alert. Moreover, Syria has revealed a strong resolve to defend herself.

2. The idea above of a false flag enacted by Israel/USA would have been accepted but for Turkey's response immediately after the incident.

[Ottoman-Turk]

iran is doing a great job with big propoganda to catch muslim hearts by saying they hate israel for palestine , what did they everdo for them? say there is no holocaust ? oh that helped palestinans , say we will destroy isreal off map , thats helping them alot

No, Muslims generally don't hate jews, Muslims hate isreali government[s]. All shall be well when They leave Palestine that is the base line, I hope you so stop generalizing.

PS. I have seen more hate by Muslims against certain Islamic Countries then isreal & isrealis, forgetting the 42+ years struggle of Palestinians.

[Gaara]

A former senior U.S. official who worked closely with Turkey said he believed the flight's course was meant to test Syria's response. "You think that the airplane was there by mistake?" the former official said.

This paragraph shows exactly what the article is written for.

No credible source, no proof, no record, nothing... This article contains nothing to make people believe what its writers wrote it for. We all know what the "an official who wants to stay anonymous" statement is used for.

We show you the official reports, records, radar traces of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Turkey, and yet you expect us to believe this "former senior US official who wants to stay anonymous" guy.

I am sorry but I even consider the time I spent for reading this article and writing these sentences as a waste of time.

[BATMAN]

^^ YOu know there is a group of people who wish to believe what they like and this is exploited by the evil.

[Barrack-Obummer]

Guys I didn't post this thread to start a fight. I thank you all for your inputs but come on... Lets keep it professional minus insults and trolling.

[Quasar]

reality check

-our phantom was from 173. filo safak (dawn) tactical reconnaissance.

we can safely assume that it was doing its job. and its job is not testing syrian air defence or testing our radars.

- and mission failed. we lost a phantom and two pilots to syrians this is what matters.

[BordoEnes]

reality check

-our phantom was from 173. filo safak (dawn) tactical reconnaissance.

we can safely assume that it was doing its job. and its job is not testing syrian air defence or testing our radars.

- and mission failed. we lost a phantom and two pilots to syrians this is what matters.

I feel partly it was our foult to. I mean come one you expect a RF-4 to function and do a good job in modern time? The relations are already bad and now your sending 50 Year old Plane for reconnainssance, Use a F-16 for god sake atleast it can do much better. The poor pilots couldnt do anything then hearing the alarm for an incoming missile, A F-16 could avoid it.

[get straight]

How exactly what Syrian officials says automatically means truth ? did they showed any proof ?

Before criticizing Pakistanis, better look at yourself, all Iranians support Assad because of its relations to Iran via Alawi sect.

i think instead of partial, anybody here needs to be neutral judge for example turkey shouldnt have violated the border, now people will call me to hate another 'muslim brother' and loving another muslim brother, but im just being neutral, turkey, iran and arabs, you guys are being played and fighting for silly reasons and these countries dont even have land dispute, i think turkey is developing fast so instead of getting involved in some another guy's mess turkey can just keep going and become stronger

if syrians try to illegally cross turkish borders then its a problem for turkey and turks need to stop all those refugees and illegal immigration

[LegionnairE]

I feel partly it was our foult to. I mean come one you expect a RF-4 to function and do a good job in modern time? The relations are already bad and now your sending 50 Year old Plane for reconnainssance, Use a F-16 for god sake atleast it can do much better. The poor pilots couldnt do anything then hearing the alarm for an incoming missile, A F-16 could avoid it.

Our RF4Es have the very same missile warning system with F16s which makes your post forum trash. IF it was an AA cannon F4's structural integrity could hold much better than F16 even if one engine fails F4 can return to base with the other.

[TurAr]

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I feel partly it was our foult to. I mean come one you expect a RF-4 to function and do a good job in modern time? The relations are already bad and now your sending 50 Year old Plane for reconnainssance, Use a F-16 for god sake atleast it can do much better. The poor pilots couldnt do anything then hearing the alarm for an incoming missile, A F-16 could avoid it.

Yeah, right. Because their mission wasn't about testing our radar capabilities but avoiding fvcking missiles.