Iran Plans For A World Without America

[Vibs]

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While I'm not sure of the relevance of all parts of this article, I was intrigued by the concept behind it. A missile that need not hit the target but that needs to explode in the air for the maximum damage.

Iran Plans For A World Without America
Posted 08/04/2011 06:28 PM ET
Iran Plans to Create A World Without America - RESEND - Grendel Report
Defense: Tehran's navy deploys ships to the Atlantic capable of launching long-range missiles. This is not a joke. This is a dress rehearsal for the day an EMP attack ends our way of life.

'Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism?" Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asked at "The World Without Zionism" Tehran conference in 2005. "But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved." He added that Iran had a "war preparation plan" for, as he put it, "the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization."

Electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, is not a subject familiar to most Americans. But it's quite familiar to the Iranian military.

It's been practicing for the day when an Iranian missile tipped with a nuclear warhead lifts off from a vessel parked in international waters off our shores, the warhead detonating high above the American heartland, sending electromagnetic waves rippling across the American landscape, frying every electronic circuit within range.

In a July 18 statement, Rear Adm. Habibollah Sayyari said the Iranian navy plans on deploying warships in the Atlantic Ocean as part of a program to ply international waters.

Two days later, another Iranian rear admiral, Seyed Mahmoud Mousavi, revealed for the first time that his navy has equipped a number of its logistic vessels and units with long-range missiles.

The squadron will be equipped with the Nur missile, which is based on China's long-range Silkworm C-802 anti-ship cruise missile and has a 125-mile range and 365-pound warhead.

It is not these ships and their missiles that threaten us, but what comes later as they use these forays to gain experience operating far from Iranian shores.

A simple Scud missile, with a nuclear warhead, could be fired from an inconspicuous freighter in international waters off our coast and detonated high over the U.S.

It would wreak devastation on America's technological, electrical and transportation infrastructure. Masked as a terrorist attack, Iran would have plausible deniability of any responsibility.

Iran has practiced launching and detonating Scuds in midflight, launched from ships in the Caspian Sea. It's also tested high-altitude explosions of its Shahab-3 ballistic missile, a test consistent with an EMP attack.

The warhead need not be of a staggeringly high yield — nor must the missile have an intercontinental range.

"One nightmare scenario posed," according to Peter Vincent Pry, an expert on EMP who sits on a congressional panel looking into the threat of such a weapon, "was a ship-launched EMP attack against the U.S. by Iran, as this would eliminate the need for Iran to develop an ICBM to deliver a nuclear warhead against the U.S. and could be executed clandestinely, taking the U.S. by surprise."

Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., calls it the one way we could lose the war on terror.

As he notes, a single nuclear warhead, detonated at the right altitude, would interact with the Earth's atmosphere, producing an electromagnetic pulse radiating down to the surface at the speed of light.

Nobody would be harmed or killed immediately by the blast. But life in the world's largest economy and only superpower would come to a screeching halt as a nation dependent on cutting-edge technology instantly regresses in time by almost a century.

As it is, our shrinking Navy doesn't have enough Aegis-equipped warships to defend Japan and Hawaii against North Korea. How is it also going to protect the Atlantic coast and Europe against this threat, which may now come from a derelict Iranian freighter?

If defense were a priority, we might. Of course, we could always deal with the threat at its source.

Meanwhile, the doomsday clock is ticking.


While we all have seen recent missile test of the USA and also oneof India being destroyed in mid air because it veered off prescribed parameters, I assumed destroying a missile in mid-air is standard procedure. Looks like it's a capability not everyone has.
BEsides, how effective can a missile shield be against a missile that needs to explode in mid air?

[somebozo]

This is just wishful thinking much like the soviet union had.America lived and soviet union collapsed..end of the day there will be more people willing to support USA than the safvid supermacist. What can iran give to the world in terms of science and tech in comparision with usa...these kind of talks is for the fanatics to hype up their emotions at the marjas of qom. A better assignment for the world powers would be to plan a world without safvid imperialist ruling Iran.

[Vibs]

This is just wishful thinking much like the soviet union had.America lived and soviet union collapsed..end of the day there will be more people willing to support USA than the safvid supermacist. What can iran give to the world in terms of science and tech in comparision with usa...these kind of talks is for the fanatics to hype up their emotions at the marjas of qom. A better assignment for the world powers would be to plan a world without safvid imperialist ruling Iran.

I know it is. But the concept of using an EMP weapon is intriguing.

[Black Widow]

day dreaming...

[Galaxy]

Iraq also thought same.

[AAtish]

It is indeed intriguing.. lets suppose if that happens, then not only the US but the whole world would collapse due to economic disaster.. now, practically speaking, it is a far cry.. i'm thinking that the US war machine is starting this campaign to impose further sanctions or war on Iran.. It might just be 'developing a case' just like Iraq's WMDs.. Just a hunch!

[jdme]

Even Indian leaders don't daydream this much...

[Vibs]

It is indeed intriguing.. lets suppose if that happens, then not only the US but the whole world would collapse due to economic disaster.. now, practically speaking, it is a far cry.. i'm thinking that the US war machine is starting this campaign to impose further sanctions or war on Iran.. It might just be 'developing a case' just like Iraq's WMDs.. Just a hunch!

Well I'm not restricting my intrigue to an Iranian attack on USA. That's unlikely.But bring the concept closer to home dude. The US would have sufficient protection against an EMP. I doubt India,Pakistan or even China have developed advanced defence capabilities in that regard yet.

[AAtish]

Well I'm not restricting my intrigue to an Iranian attack on USA. That's unlikely.But bring the concept closer to home dude. The US would have sufficient protection against an EMP. I doubt India,Pakistan or even China have developed advanced defence capabilities in that regard yet.

There is no need to derail the thread.. so i am not going to go into India, Pakistan or China..

EMP on this massive scale that a whole country would come onto its knees.. where all electronic equipment just gets fried?.. do you really think that is possible? If it was, then US would had been the first country to 'introduce' it.. Just like Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.. Iraq would had been a good place to show the 'might'..

As it is said before.. its just 'wishful' thinking.. or max. a way to 'pave' the way for Iran invasion.. Coming days would clarify what this article is going to 'grow' into.. As far as i am concerned right now.. its just brain gymnastic of an editor sitting in Investor Business Daily's cabin and having nothing to do..

[Imran Khan]

my dear iran don't play with adults games

[Eran Spahbod]

While I'm not sure of the relevance of all parts of this article, I was intrigued by the concept behind it. A missile that need not hit the target but that needs to explode in the air for the maximum damage.

Iran Plans For A World Without America
Posted 08/04/2011 06:28 PM ET
Iran Plans to Create A World Without America - RESEND - Grendel Report
Defense: Tehran's navy deploys ships to the Atlantic capable of launching long-range missiles. This is not a joke. This is a dress rehearsal for the day an EMP attack ends our way of life.

'Is it possible for us to witness a world without America and Zionism?" Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asked at "The World Without Zionism" Tehran conference in 2005. "But you had best know that this slogan and this goal are attainable, and surely can be achieved." He added that Iran had a "war preparation plan" for, as he put it, "the destruction of Anglo-Saxon civilization."

Electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, is not a subject familiar to most Americans. But it's quite familiar to the Iranian military.

It's been practicing for the day when an Iranian missile tipped with a nuclear warhead lifts off from a vessel parked in international waters off our shores, the warhead detonating high above the American heartland, sending electromagnetic waves rippling across the American landscape, frying every electronic circuit within range.

In a July 18 statement, Rear Adm. Habibollah Sayyari said the Iranian navy plans on deploying warships in the Atlantic Ocean as part of a program to ply international waters.

Two days later, another Iranian rear admiral, Seyed Mahmoud Mousavi, revealed for the first time that his navy has equipped a number of its logistic vessels and units with long-range missiles.

The squadron will be equipped with the Nur missile, which is based on China's long-range Silkworm C-802 anti-ship cruise missile and has a 125-mile range and 365-pound warhead.

It is not these ships and their missiles that threaten us, but what comes later as they use these forays to gain experience operating far from Iranian shores.

A simple Scud missile, with a nuclear warhead, could be fired from an inconspicuous freighter in international waters off our coast and detonated high over the U.S.

It would wreak devastation on America's technological, electrical and transportation infrastructure. Masked as a terrorist attack, Iran would have plausible deniability of any responsibility.

Iran has practiced launching and detonating Scuds in midflight, launched from ships in the Caspian Sea. It's also tested high-altitude explosions of its Shahab-3 ballistic missile, a test consistent with an EMP attack.

The warhead need not be of a staggeringly high yield — nor must the missile have an intercontinental range.

"One nightmare scenario posed," according to Peter Vincent Pry, an expert on EMP who sits on a congressional panel looking into the threat of such a weapon, "was a ship-launched EMP attack against the U.S. by Iran, as this would eliminate the need for Iran to develop an ICBM to deliver a nuclear warhead against the U.S. and could be executed clandestinely, taking the U.S. by surprise."

Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., calls it the one way we could lose the war on terror.

As he notes, a single nuclear warhead, detonated at the right altitude, would interact with the Earth's atmosphere, producing an electromagnetic pulse radiating down to the surface at the speed of light.

Nobody would be harmed or killed immediately by the blast. But life in the world's largest economy and only superpower would come to a screeching halt as a nation dependent on cutting-edge technology instantly regresses in time by almost a century.

As it is, our shrinking Navy doesn't have enough Aegis-equipped warships to defend Japan and Hawaii against North Korea. How is it also going to protect the Atlantic coast and Europe against this threat, which may now come from a derelict Iranian freighter?

If defense were a priority, we might. Of course, we could always deal with the threat at its source.

Meanwhile, the doomsday clock is ticking.


While we all have seen recent missile test of the USA and also oneof India being destroyed in mid air because it veered off prescribed parameters, I assumed destroying a missile in mid-air is standard procedure. Looks like it's a capability not everyone has.
BEsides, how effective can a missile shield be against a missile that needs to explode in mid air?

So our puny navy goes in right up to the US shores and completely "ends their way of life" while the US fleet of 70+ submarines sit on their arses enjoying The Simpsons on tv.

Please, please tell me what do you guys smoke?? I want some too to lie back on the couch and take over the world.

[Vibs]

There is no need to derail the thread.. so i am not going to go into India, Pakistan or China..

EMP on this massive scale that a whole country would come onto its knees.. where all electronic equipment just gets fried?.. do you really think that is possible? If it was, then US would had been the first country to 'introduce' it.. Just like Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.. Iraq would had been a good place to show the 'might'..

As it is said before.. its just 'wishful' thinking.. or max. a way to 'pave' the way for Iran invasion.. Coming days would clarify what this article is going to 'grow' into.. As far as i am concerned right now.. its just brain gymnastic of an editor sitting in Investor Business Daily's cabin and having nothing to do..

I'm not trying to derail the thread. Warfare today is fought as much on information as with weapons. Frying an enemy's weapons (missile and aircraft guidance systems) as well as communication systems would be half the war won. Every nation tries to develop weapons for electronic warfare. This seems to be a cheap option for that.

[Galaxy]

Few years back, Iraq also did the same. Saddam Hussain said many things and once 1st Bomb fell into Iraq, All world went Silent with hilarious condemn against US. Actually, No one had any guts to go against US and to Support Iraq. Today Iraq is in Stone age with lakhs of innocent people already died.

Today, Nothing Changed. Iran should understand War is not fought with Emotion but Capability. US will make Iraq 50 year behind in few days and it has capability and intention too.

By the Way, US has multiple layer ABM shield, So they can destroy 99% Missiles before reaching US. Even US allies Isreal also have best ABM of the world (Arrow-1,2,3). So, Why to take the risk of 1% Hitting USA and in reversal 100% will hit Iran ? That also, If Iran has 100's of ICBM (which is not possible). US has 1,000 of ICBM with Nuke.

[AAtish]

I'm not trying to derail the thread. Warfare today is fought as much on information as with weapons. Frying an enemy's weapons (missile and aircraft guidance systems) as well as communication systems would be half the war won. Every nation tries to develop weapons for electronic warfare. This seems to be a cheap option for that.

In Layman's term, there are too many variables to consider, and especially military hardware is especially built with protection against EMP effects, this is due to the reason that even 50v pulse can fry or at least damage the equipment. So to protect that, there are many layers, such as transformers, cable pulse arrestors and shielding.

On top of this, there is an issue of frequency coupling, low frequency weapon will better couple with wires but will render ineffective due to protections, whereas, high frequency weapon has a low coupling rate. So effectively only open equipment can be fried by EMPs, and here I am talking about normal day to day electronic equipment like Computers, teles, and other stuff. Military grade equipment is better protected, the integrated circuitry is shielded, and resistance level is higher.

Some one with better understanding of Military grade hardware would be able to give you more details..

[Thomas]

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EMP from an airburst nuke would cause some damage to civilian infrastructure. But U.S. strategic systems are designed to resist it. the resulting counter response would leave Iran decimated on a much larger scale.