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    India's launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of more than 5,000km has prompted another round of bewildered complaints about why Britain is giving aid to a country with a space programme. The answer to that is simple. We give aid to desperately poor people who need it and India has more poor people in just three of its states than there are in the whole of sub-Saharan Africa. But we also give aid for a more realpolitik reason: to buy influence in a country which, with China, is likely to dominate the global economy in the century ahead.

    In any case, there is something far more important to worry about than aid. This is not a space programme; it is a race to develop intercontinental nuclear missiles as part of a major modernisation of India's armed forces which is turning the country into the world's top arms importer. A decade of sustained economic growth has allowed India's government to increase military spending by 13 per cent this fiscal year to around US$38bn – about a third of what China spends on its military. This is the real cause for concern.

    India has had nuclear weapons since 1974, which is why it has, like Israel and Pakistan, never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which came into force four years earlier. At first it was suggested that India should renounce the bomb and sign as a "non-weapon-state". The United States and others imposed sanctions after India upped its nuclear tests in 1998. But today, India enjoys a de facto legitimacy for its nuclear programme. Washington even signed a civil nuclear co-operation deal with it in 2008. The US State Department greeted this week's new missile by saying India's non-proliferation record was "solid".

    The truth is that the new long-range missile, which can reach China, is worrying. Washington is more exercised by North Korea's failed rocket launch, just days earlier, and by its assumptions about Iran's nuclear ambitions. That is because, as Nato pronounced this week, India is not considered a threat. But this degree of proliferation threatens us all.

    Beijing responded to yesterday's news by saying that, as large developing nations, China and India "are not competitors but partners". That is spin. The influential newspaper of China's ruling Communist Party made belligerent noises about India's rapidly increased military spending and its "disregard for nuclear and missile control treaties". China's own nuclear arsenal was stronger and more reliable, it said, warning India not to work with Western allies to try to contain China.

    Two years ago, China signed a civil nuclear deal with Pakistan, and Pakistani experts are reported to be working on a secret nuclear programme with Saudi Arabia. All this ups the ante in a region where China, Israel and Russia are all nuclear players. The world has rightly worried about the prospect of North Korea developing a nuclear weapons capability, though, as its failed rocket test showed, it has no capability to deliver them. But the real concern should be the rate of acceleration of nuclear capability across the board.

    India's new rockets are powered by solid fuel, which makes them quicker to use and easier to transport by road, than the liquid-fuelled missiles in China. They can be fired from mobile launchers, which makes it more difficult for an enemy to locate and destroy them. No wonder increased anxiety is reported inside Pakistan.

    There may be excellent reasons for the concern shown about the programmes being developed in North Korea and Iran, regimes which promote intransigence, ideology and confrontation. But intention is not the only danger in a nuclear world. The international community would do well to turn its attention to the fast accelerating availability of nuclear potential elsewhere.

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    Ranting Britishers complaining about IPL, Vodafone, Typhoon, ICBM & what not
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windjammer View Post
    India's new rockets are powered by solid fuel, which makes them quicker to use and easier to transport by road, than the liquid-fuelled missiles in China. They can be fired from mobile launchers, which makes it more difficult for an enemy to locate and destroy them. No wonder increased anxiety is reported inside Pakistan.

    Leading article: India's nuclear ambition should not be ignored - Leading Articles - Opinion - The Independent
    Where is that kid who was claiming Agni 5 is liquid fuelled?This also proves that Indian missiles are much more advanced than Chinese or Pakistani missiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    Ranting Britishers complaining about IPL, Vodafone, Typhoon, ICBM & what not
    They can do that, since they give AID. !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Warrior View Post
    Where is that kid who was claiming Agni 5 is liquid fuelled?This also proves that Indian missiles are much more advanced than Chinese or Pakistani missiles.
    Don't know about any kid, but let me remind you that Pakistani Missiles are also powered by solid fuel....but that's not the subject here....is it. ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windjammer View Post
    They can do that, since they give AID. !!
    What aid ? they were donating mainly to private NGO's, last year we(govt officials) refused them but still they insisted on the aid for it'd look good on their CV besides trying to dangle it as a carrot for the Eurofighter Typhoon ! Don't you know all this
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    India's new rockets are powered by solid fuel, which makes them quicker to use and easier to transport by road, than the liquid-fuelled missiles in China. They can be fired from mobile launchers, which makes it more difficult for an enemy to locate and destroy them. No wonder increased anxiety is reported inside Pakistan.
    At least they got this right. Hehe.
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    At the time A4 & A5 become operational (2014-15) India have 3 operational nuke sub (2 Arihant class, 1 Akula with operational K15 and almost ready K4) so yes no one can avoid our nuclear ambition (specially China)

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    Quote Originally Posted by protest View Post
    At least they got this right. Hehe.
    Not to mention the Sub Saharan comparison. !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windjammer View Post
    They can do that, since they give AID. !!



    Don't know about any kid, but let me remind you that Pakistani Missiles are also powered by solid fuel....but that's not the subject here....is it. ??
    British foreign aid: India tells Britain 'we don't need the peanuts you offer us' | Mail Online

    Better not lecture us on aid,

    Whereas story in some other countries is a little disturbing because of the proliferation regime, right from getting missile technology from china and north korea to proliferating Nuclear tech to libya NK and Iran. Along with that India has neither been ruled by dictators nor has shown unilateral aggression against any other country.

    So west can sit assured that India doesn't figure an any threat scenario to any one including china and it's proxies!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windjammer View Post
    Not to mention the Sub Saharan comparison. !!
    with second fastest growing economy... with latest figure of poverty in India


    all these claims are just funny as always they are

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    [QUOTE=Windjammer;2843296][COLOR="#800000"]India's launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of more than 5,000km has prompted another round of bewildered complaints about why Britain is giving aid to a country with a space programme. The answer to that is simple QUOTE]

    I really liked this part the best.

    Britain gives Aid to India (for whatever reasons) and India goes back and invests money in Britain (some of the biggest investments in fact).

    So Lizzy, keep that Aid coming (if you want to), we can certainly help to keep your folks employed. And make some money while doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windjammer View Post
    Not to mention the Sub Saharan comparison. !!
    don't see ferraris parked in every corner in you country either, maybe we are poor, but still we command enough geo-political prowess to get our things done.
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    Bhartis are pure evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Warrior View Post
    Where is that kid who was claiming Agni 5 is liquid fuelled?This also proves that Indian missiles are much more advanced than Chinese or Pakistani missiles.
    ?????????????
    India's new rockets are powered by solid fuel, which makes them quicker to use and easier to transport by road, than the liquid-fuelled missiles in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windjammer View Post
    Not to mention the Sub Saharan comparison. !!
    Do you even know that comparison is based on facts about 6-8 years old?


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