"Muslim" Teen stoned to death for violating Sharia law?

[RayKalm]

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Be wary of the headlines! | My Bit for Change

"Muslim beauty stoned to death’’ was a headline, I came across on a news website.

The screaming headline is a perfect example of yellow journalism gone wild. Unfortunately these dirty tactics of marketing news have become a norm. The news was picked up from British and Ukrainian newspapers which in summary said,

“Aspiring Miss Ukraine stoned to death under Shariah Law by Crimean Radical Islamist. The man was told to be a radicalised Wahabi extremist and the lady was reportedly a Muslim who was given this punishment by him as it is not allowed for women to take part in a beauty contest in Islam”

Sensational and ‘Masalay-dar’ as it sounds, our media didn’t bother to carry out any further research before propagating this piece, as it perfectly fulfils the purpose and agenda they are working on.

A few hours later the headline was amended to ‘’Teenage beauty ‘’ instead of ‘’Muslim beauty’’ and an addendum was added to the article as the original story was absolutely different to what was published. An elementary online research shows:

There are conflicting reports and according to Crimean Police, the girl was not a Muslim
The boy who killed her strangled her and then struck a blunt object on her head which according to the police was her cause of death
The boy was her admirer and was suffering from serious mental health disorder
The only relation of the killer with Islam was that his parents were non-practising Muslims who had never attended a Mosque.
According to Ukrainian Interior Minister, “There was no underlying religious, national or inter-ethical motives behind the murder.”

Big round of applause to Pakistani media which never misses an opportunity to defame Islam, Muslims or Shariah Laws by strictly following the rules of the game. This is in line with the negative stereotyping of Muslims, that western media is bent upon promoting. A threat, a bomb, a killing- a faint link to anyone having a Muslim sounding name, there you go! You have a perfect combination, so publish, propagate and make money.

How many of us know about a police officer killed in an explosion caused by a bomb planted under his car in Northern Ireland (the 2nd of April 2011), or Irish militants warning of a bomb blast in central London just a day before Queen Elizabeth’s first state visit to Ireland (16th May 2011) or the discovery of a bomb in town of Maynooth ,15 minutes away from Dublin and a second suspicious device found at a Dublin tram station (the 17th of May 2011). Of course, it doesn’t carry any material for any media hype as no Muslims were found attached to it.

How many of us remember Marwah Al-Sherbini, a 32 year old Egyptian girl who was called a ‘Muslim ***** and a terrorist *****’ and was killed by a racist in a German court. She was three months pregnant and was stabbed 18 times with a verdict by her killer, ‘you don’t have a right to live’ (July 2009). Has anyone seen our media talking about the plight of Muslims all over the world because of being Muslims’? Of course not! Because those 50 million dollars pledged by President Obama are not to serve that cause.

How many of us saw our media getting furious about Niqab ban in France. Did you see any feminist or human rights NGOs voicing this issue? Did you see any blog or article or even a news showing their fury or concern on Sharon Horgan’s comments on BBC’s ‘Have I got news for you?’ when she calls Makkah as Mecca (hub) of suicide bombers just a few days ago.

I was watching an interview with Yuri Bezmenov on YouTube , a trained KGB agent, recorded in 1985.

He tells “In recent times, 15% of the time, money and manpower is spent on espionage, and 85% is spent on the great brainwashing process called the ideological subversion or psychological warfare. It changes the perception of reality so much so that despite the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions.”

In a nutshell, he lays out four steps to transform the thinking and behaviour of an entire population, namely:

Demoralisation (which takes 10-15 years to brainwash one generation)
Destabilisation (over 2-5 years) where economy, foreign relations and defence systems are rattled.
Crisis
Normalisation (a cynical term which lasts indefinitely and includes violent changes of power and structure and economy)
Demoralization is a task so religiously being fulfilled by our media, print as well as electronic. And you can be a part of it by qualifying to minimum criterion of joining the team which serves the purpose of ‘ideological subversion’. Believe! Pen is mightier than sword but only if your ink is made visible to public and that happens if you fulfil their criteria. So if you have a story (no matter how fabricated), or an opinion (no matter how useless) or you have enough vocabulary to bash the bearded, ridicule the word of God and blame the Shariah Laws, or simply have an obscene picture for an explicit topic like porn, sex, contraception, you are a perfect candidate to become a part of some ‘Sexpress Tycoons’.If you have a video showing a woman is being whiplashed by bearded men and you can stretch a story or add mirch masala to it, you have everything that takes to become a potential blogger or a writer.

I adore my prime inspiration, Malcolm X’s quote where he says,

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like a victim and make the victim look like a criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppression”

Let’s keep our eyes open to the dirty tricks of the people who are out to sell their news (and Eiman) for a few bags of dollars and helping the confusion grow every day.

[JEskandari]

How many of us know about a police officer killed in an explosion caused by a bomb planted under his car in Northern Ireland (the 2nd of April 2011), or Irish militants warning of a bomb blast in central London just a day before Queen Elizabeth’s first state visit to Ireland (16th May 2011) or the discovery of a bomb in town of Maynooth ,15 minutes away from Dublin and a second suspicious device found at a Dublin tram station (the 17th of May 2011). Of course, it doesn’t carry any material for any media hype as no Muslims were found attached to it.

How many of us remember Marwah Al-Sherbini, a 32 year old Egyptian girl who was called a ‘Muslim ***** and a terrorist *****’ and was killed by a racist in a German court. She was three months pregnant and was stabbed 18 times with a verdict by her killer, ‘you don’t have a right to live’ (July 2009). Has anyone seen our media talking about the plight of Muslims all over the world because of being Muslims’? Of course not! Because those 50 million dollars pledged by President Obama are not to serve that cause.

well I knew about these two and about Marwah Al-Sherbini there is another fact in court when she was attacked her husband went to defend her but the police there stopped him instead of the attacker, by shooting him

[King Solomon]

While the press loves to make fun of muslims, please do not try to defend the issue. There are so many documented cases of people being stoned to death. Last year, a muslim who took part in Ukranian beauty contest was stoned to death by radical muslims. Some quarters claim no religious association though. But the problem is there, don't try to deny it.

[DRaisinHerald]

It's the Saudi people's fault; these terrorist Wahhabis

Let's just bomb Riyadh and get it over with

[King Solomon]

It's the Saudi people's fault; these terrorist Wahhabis

Let's just bomb Riyadh and get it over with

Here is how one of my favourite political analyst Richard Maybury puts it: The Fall of the U.S. Empire and the Breakup of the Geopolitical Matrix - Casey Research

DG: Recently the U.S. Secretary of Defense Gates told cadets at West Point that we may never fight another large ground war. Do you believe that? I mean, if Saudi Arabia gets really unstable, do you think we are going to put boots on the ground there?

RM: Yes, definitely. This idea that you can fight a war without the use of ground forces is ridiculous. It shows a lack of understanding of what government is. A government is an organization that has control over a given piece of territory, and to control it you’ve got to have infantry standing on the ground. The phrase "boots on the ground" is a very good one for that.

The place has to be occupied by soldiers with rifles, and if you don’t have the ability to do that, then you can't control the place. You can just bomb the heck out of it, but eventually you’ve got to put troops on the ground.

Richard Maybury

[EjazR]

While the press loves to make fun of muslims, please do not try to defend the issue. There are so many documented cases of people being stoned to death. Last year, a muslim who took part in Ukranian beauty contest was stoned to death by radical muslims. Some quarters claim no religious association though. But the problem is there, don't try to deny it.

Well can you give some documented / credible links on cases of people stoned to death by Muslims by a legal authority?

The fact that you said an Ukranian beuaty queen was stoned to death by radical muslims again proves the article in this thread. That false Islamphobic articles by news sites like Daily Mail is dehumanising Muslims in the eyes of people like you who don't know the facts.

The Ukranian was infact not stoned to death, and had nothing to do with sharia law. She was not even a Muslim!
Even the police officers and officials in Ukraniane rubished the claims that this is the case. But not everyone will know the truth and the first false story will stay in their head dehumanising muslims
Beauty queen Katya Koren killed by fellow student, not stoned to death by Muslims: authorities - NY Daily News
Murder of beauty pageant contestant not connected to Islam


Now compare this to a coverage of a Christian man who stoned a homosexual to death in the US claiming that this is santioned in the bible. (For those who have read the Bible and the Quran, they will know that stoning is santioned for Adultery in the Bible (mainly the Old Testament aka Torah). The Quran DOES NOT mention stoning as a punishment for any crime)
Philadelphia Man Blames Bible for Stoning Death | Religion Dispatches

[King Solomon]

Well can you give some documented / credible links on cases of people stoned to death by Muslims by a legal authority?

The fact that you said an Ukranian beuaty queen was stoned to death by radical muslims again proves the article in this thread. That false Islamphobic articles by news sites like Daily Mail is dehumanising Muslims in the eyes of people like you who don't know the facts.

The Ukranian was infact not stoned to death, and had nothing to do with sharia law. Even the police officers and officials in Ukraniane rubished the claims that this is the case. But not everyone will know the truth and the first false story will stay in their head dehumanising muslims
Beauty queen Katya Koren killed by fellow student, not stoned to death by Muslims: authorities - NY Daily News
Murder of beauty pageant contestant not connected to Islam


Now compare this to a coverage of a Christian man who stoned a homosexual to death in the US claiming that this is santioned in the bible. (For those who have read the Bible and the Quran, they will know that stoning is santioned for Adultery in the Bible (mainly the Old Testament aka Torah). The Quran DOES NOT mention stoning as a punishment for any crime)
Philadelphia Man Blames Bible for Stoning Death | Religion Dispatches

Please, just go to youtube you will find many videos of talibans and other radical muslims stoning others to death. While I AGREE with you the media loves to make fun of Islam, we canNOT deny the problem.

Yes, I already know stoning is nowhere mentioned in Koran. Only in barbaric hadith laws, which nobody is required to follow. Unfortunately, radical muslims take hadiths as gospel truth and ignore the Koran.

[DRaisinHerald]

Yes, I already know stoning is nowhere mentioned in Koran. Only in barbaric hadith laws, which nobody is required to follow. Unfortunately, radical muslims take hadiths as gospel truth and ignore the Koran.

Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification" - Quran 24:54

And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah - Quran 4:64

And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware. And if you turn away - then know that upon Our Messenger is only [the responsibility for] clear notification. - Quran 5:92

He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian. - Quran 4:80

Hadith - sayings of the Prophet; just in case you didn't know.

The rest is up to you, of course

[EjazR]

Please, just go to youtube you will find many videos of talibans and other radical muslims stoning others to death. While I AGREE with you the media loves to make fun of Islam, we canNOT deny the problem.

Yes, I already know stoning is nowhere mentioned in Koran. Only in barbaric hadith laws, which nobody is required to follow. Unfortunately, radical muslims take hadiths as gospel truth and ignore the Koran.

Yes youtube is an authentic source to know about Muslims and Islam

The point is how many santioned stoning by govt. authorities are taking place? For example a stoning in Saudi Arabia or Iran recently? This can't remain hidden today.

Crazies in Somalia or tribals in Afghanistan doing their own version of Mob justice is like the crazy Philadelphia man stoning a homosexual.

[King Solomon]

Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification" - Quran 24:54

The rest is up to you, of course.

Not even Mohammed is authorized to make any law or intercede Koran according to his wishes. AND Koran is fully detailed with no omissions:

"Shall I seek other than God as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?" 6:114

Believe and follow only Koran for religion:

Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? 77:50

About "hadiths"

"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless "hadith" (yes, "hadith" is the word used in original Arabic), and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution. And when our revelations (Quran) are recited to the one of them, he turns away in arrogance as if he never heard them, as if his ears are deaf. Promise him a painful retribution." 31:6-7

The rest is up to you of course.

"messenger" is the key word in the verses you quoted , NOT "Mohammed". And messenger's duty is no more than "notification" of God's revelations:

Not upon the Messenger is [responsibility] except [for] notification. And Allah knows whatever you reveal and whatever you conceal. 5:99

Don't try to twist Koran. You will fail everytime you try to do so with your Wahabi logic. And above all, don't try to justify stoning others to death. I'm sure you would not like your sister or mother to be stoned to death.

[DRaisinHerald]

Don't try to twist Koran. You will fail everytime you try to do so with your Wahabi logic

Might as well insult the rest us Sunnis as well; because that's what your essentially doing everytime you mention Wahhabi.

Well never mind that, I get my verses from The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Can't believe you're accusing me of twisting the Quran...


With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the reminder and the advice (the Quran), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought - Quran 16:44

And to you be your way, and to me be mine...

[King Solomon]

Yes youtube is an authentic source to know about Muslims and Islam

The point is how many santioned stoning by govt. authorities are taking place? For example a stoning in Saudi Arabia or Iran recently? This can't remain hidden today.

Crazies in Somalia or tribals in Afghanistan doing their own version of Mob justice is like the crazy Philadelphia man stoning a homosexual.

The topic here is discussing stoning to death in context of so called "Sharia" law.

Different forms of socalled "sharia" is applied in different places. For tribal areas and backward areas, the principle still applies. Heck, even in Saudi, judges give such sentences:

Princess facing Saudi death penalty given secret UK asylum - Home News - UK - The Independent

The young woman, who has been granted anonymity by the courts, won her claim for refugee status after telling a judge that her adulterous affair made her liable to death by stoning

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Adulterers face public stonings and floggings and, in the most serious cases, beheadings and hangings.

Might as well insult the rest us Sunnis as well; because that's what your essentially doing everytime you mention Wahhabi.

Well never mind that, I get my verses from The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

Can't believe you're accusing me of twisting the Quran...


With clear signs and Books (We sent the Messengers). And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad SAW) the reminder and the advice (the Quran), that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought - Quran 16:44

And to you be your way, and to me be mine...

Yes, now go back to your taliban hideout.

[DRaisinHerald]

Yes, now go back to your taliban hideout.

K, but why end your posts by saying that? What happened to "terrorist Wahhabi"?

[King Solomon]

K, but why end your posts by saying that? What happened to "terrorist Wahhabi"?

"Muslim" Teen stoned to death for violating Sharia law?

[JayAtl]

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It is incumbent upon non Muslims more than Muslims to stand up to the bandwagon piling on Muslims . Especially those who believe in secularism. There is no doubt, many reasons may exist to debate the muslim community- but those have to be in the parameters of honest debate.

Crap like making common crimes that place in every country, even some heinous ones may have a religious segment to it- for example one case may be where the accused man beat their wifes because they said islam allows it- but that does not and should not mean we think that indeed Islam advocated it.

Not sure if I'm making my POV come across properly but bottom line I think the responsibility of seeing anti muslim false propaganda is in check is more of the non muslims responsibility to stand up than muslim IMO.