Israel Bombs Gaza - Hundreds Dead

[DarkStar]

Originally Posted by cabatli_53

The reason of the agression of Erdogan is that Israel president raised voice against Erdogan, While he is answering to Turkish prime minister.... Erdogan say that """Any of country can not speak an authorities of Turkish government with high voices... Turkey is not an easy country.....If We wants, You sure that Our voice is able to come out more louder than yours but We do not !!! """

YouTube - Recep Tayyip Erdogan israil'e ve peres'e cevap veriyor. Siz öldürmeyi iyi bilirsiniz. Davos

thanks a lot cabatli. The translation on the BBC website was crap, which is why I didn't understand the point he was trying to make.

[ajpirzada]

great... well said

[Bezerk]

Cabatli, Is there an english version of the video?

[cabatli_53]

""what does that mean?

Most muslims regret the abolishment of the Khilafa in 1924, but if it hadn't been for Kemal Mustafa Pasha, Turkey would have been two thirds its current size, and Constantinople would have returned to teh Greeks.

Many areas of Western Turkey were liberated by the Young Turks under Mustafa Kemal, which is why he was given the name ATa Turk (father of the turks). There has been debate about wether he was a turk at all, but that discussion is for another day.""

Thanks for the great answer bro... Really...

and "luftwaffe" I advise you to read some history book about Turkish near history, If you want to learn the reals....Any of us can not capable to make any criticize about Ataturk.. He was really great leader and proud father of Turks... He defeated not only Australians, New zelands, Britishs, Indians that controlled by England in 1st World war but also Frenchs, Italians, Greeks.......

[cabatli_53]

Here is English version bro.....

Peres really got a hard Owned.....

Bloomberg News

[Bezerk]

Originally Posted by cabatli_53

Here is English version bro.....

Peres really got a hard Owned.....

Bloomberg News

Thanks a lot bro! That was some massive pwange right there!

The host was an Idiot though, if a PM wants to make a point, screw the dinner and LET HIM FINISH!

[cabatli_53]

By the way, after the incident, Peres called Erdogan and apologized, and the PM Erdogan told that Israel President should learn how to speak to another president. Peres also told Erdogan to not break any of Turkish-Israel multi-billion relations..

[qsaark]

Thats how a self-respected leader responds. Not like morons ruling Pakistan and Arab countries.

[Babagee57]

Turkish history is history what happend was a reaction of a moderate Muslim leader you can imagine how badly our hearts are boiling all we need is a good leader then Insha Allah we the Muslim Nation will rise above all.
We need Unity Trust and Hard work. A good Leader with some balls. No one can face us if we stand united.Muslim should not be afraid of enemies propaganda.Wake up gays Wake up

[qsaark]

Originally Posted by cabatli_53

""what does that mean?

Most muslims regret the abolishment of the Khilafa in 1924, but if it hadn't been for Kemal Mustafa Pasha, Turkey would have been two thirds its current size, and Constantinople would have returned to teh Greeks.

Many areas of Western Turkey were liberated by the Young Turks under Mustafa Kemal, which is why he was given the name ATa Turk (father of the turks). There has been debate about wether he was a turk at all, but that discussion is for another day.""

Thanks for the great answer bro... Really...

and "luftwaffe" I advise you to read some history book about Turkish near history, If you want to learn the reals....Any of us can not capable to make any criticize about Ataturk.. He is really great leader and proud father of Turks... He defeated not only Australians, New zelands, Britishs, Indians that controlled by England in 1st World war but also Frenchs, Italians, Greeks.......

Khilafat has always been more of a sentimental thing for the muslims of the sub-continent. Without the actual understanding of the aftermath of the first world war and what happened to Turkey afterwards. At any rate, most of us have still not accepted that. Just like we are still refusing to accept the fact that Israel is a reality.

[junoon25pk]

[MBI Munshi]

Who Won the Gaza War?

Israel says the war was a success, but in Gaza, Hamas is more popular than ever.

By Linda GradsteinPosted Friday, Jan. 30, 2009, at 1:09 PM ET

JEBALIA REFUGEE CAMP, Gaza—Along the dusty alleyways of this crowded camp in northern Gaza, cleaning crews wearing green Hamas baseball caps are beginning to clear the destruction of 22 days of heavy fighting between Israel and Hamas. Banners of green Hamas flags flutter above the streets.

Israeli officials say the war against Hamas was a success—that they have put an end to rocket fire into southern Israel and have established a new international mechanism that will clamp down on Iranian arms smuggling into Gaza. They point to an Iranian ship flying a Cypriot flag that the U.S. Navy stopped last week. Egypt refused to let the ship enter the Gulf of Suez, and it has now sailed to Syria.

But on the streets of Gaza, Hamas has become more popular and seems to be more firmly entrenched then ever before.

Rafat al-Rafati lived his with his wife and seven children, along with his brothers and their wives and children, in a three-story house in Jebalia. On Jan. 11, an Israeli missile crashed through the roof of the house, instantly killing one of his brothers and his 2-year-old nephew, Tasnim. A 10-year-old niece was killed when she ran outside, trying to escape.

On the second floor, jagged bloodstains are still visible on the wall. The floor is covered with concrete rubble, and glass crunches underfoot. There are gaping holes in the concrete wall.

Since the attack, the family has been living in a nearby U.N. building. They say they have no money to rebuild, and because of the Israeli blockade, there are no building materials or cement in Gaza. Yet Hamas has begun distributing money to Palestinians whose homes were destroyed. They've promised $5,000 per home. A Hamas official has already come to the Rafatis' home to survey the damage.
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The Rafatis do not consider themselves Hamas supporters and say they voted for Fatah in the January 2006 election. But in the future, they say, they will support anyone who helps them rebuild their home and their lives.

These sentiments are echoed all over Gaza. Palestinian anger is directed primarily at Israel. Hamas, which has fired thousands of rockets at southern Israel since the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, is now seen as the only power that is actively resisting Israel.

"Today, Hamas is stronger than ever before," said Asad Abu-Sharq, a professor of linguistics at al-Azhar University, as we sat in his third-floor apartment in Tel al-Hawa, a Gaza City neighborhood. His building was also damaged during the fighting, and he has saved several jagged pieces of metal in the corner of his apartment. "Hamas held out against the terrible, formidable Israeli army, and it won this war."

In 1967, he says, Israel defeated four Arab armies in six days. In the recent fighting, Hamas alone held out against Israel for three weeks and is still firmly in control in Gaza. He says Israel's disproportionate use of force and the large number of civilian casualties have increased anger against Israel and boosted support for Hamas.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev disagrees. He says that Israeli intelligence information shows that Gazans blame Hamas for the crisis and that Israel has succeeded in weakening Hamas. "Because they are an authoritarian regime, they can bring out 'spontaneous' celebrations of support and silence with their guns anyone who speaks out against them. But they have a real problem with the street in Gaza."

Regev says the money that Hamas is distributing might give it a short-term propaganda boost. But when the estimated billions of dollars in development aid start to flow into Gaza, they will be controlled by the World Bank or some other international body, rather than by Hamas.

Regev says Hamas had a set of assumptions about Israeli behavior that fell apart during the recent fighting. Hamas assumed Israel would not risk a ground invasion into the densely populated Gaza Strip, fearing large-scale Israeli casualties. Hamas assumed that Hezbollah would open a second front against Israel and that Palestinians in the West Bank would also support them. None of this happened, says Regev, which leaves Hamas weaker than ever before.

Many Hamas leaders, like Ismail Haniye, are still in hiding. A Hamas office in Gaza City was deserted. But Deputy Foreign Minister Ahmed Yusuf, who is seen as a moderate, says Hamas is satisfied with the results of the fighting with Israel. "I don't think Israel achieved any of its objectives," he told me in an interview in his office in Gaza City. "They said they would stop us from firing rockets, but the rocket capability is still there. They said they would make people angry at Hamas, but most people back Hamas. And they said they would weaken Hamas, but like a phoenix Hamas rises from the ashes."

Egypt is currently brokering an agreement that would lead to a more formal cease-fire and reopen the border crossings between Gaza and Israel, and Gaza and Egypt. Israel closed its borders with Gaza, except for humanitarian aid, after Hamas violently took complete control over Gaza in June 2007. Yusuf said Hamas does not oppose a European Union presence at the crossing and would even accept members of the rival Fatah movement. If the crossings reopen, and international aid flows in to rebuild Gaza, Hamas will almost certainly become even stronger.

Who won the Gaza war? - By Linda Gradstein - Slate Magazine

[Solomon2]

A.Rahman, neither you nor I was "making fun of Palestinian suffering" - and you know it! I've been pointing out that by repeatedly pressing the "women and children killed by Israel" button using staged photographs and skewed reports that the ferocity raised throughout the world blinds people from considering law, logic, and justice. You would have readers here continue to suffer from ignorance and hype?

[Solomon2]

Extreme NGO anti-Israel bias: "B’tselem, Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR) and Oxfam published unverified ‘eyewitness’ evidence and unaccountable casualty figures throughout the conflict, which have since been refuted. These claims helped create an assumption of Israeli guilt and were repeated and amplified by the media, influencing the conflict itself. "

No probe for blatant Hamas war crimes: "a detailed probe into Hamas's firing of Kassam rockets at Israeli communities is not necessary, because it constitutes such a "blatant" war crime. By contrast, Israel's actions are more complex"

News Is Not Something to Be Made Up: Asharq Alawsat Editor in Chief Tariq Alhomayed "points out that Hamas politicians make public statements—loaded with emotional cargo—that simply cannot be true. That doesn’t stop news media from reporting them, nor does it stop audiences from believing them."

I will add that the awful truth about lies that are constantly repeated is that even though the educated listener will reject most of them, a portion will still be accepted. The idea that Israel may be innocent of ALL crimes attributed to it is something accepted by very few. Hamas' undeniable criminality is scarcely discussed, and prosecution of its leaders not at all.

[Pk_Thunder]

Shoe, book thrown at Israeli ambassador

Updated at: 2050 PST, Thursday, February 05, 2009
STOCKHOLM: Israel's ambassador to Sweden was hit when a shoe and books were thrown at him as he was giving a lecture at Stockholm University, radio reports say.

On Wednesday night, Benny Dagan was talking about upcoming elections in Israel when the items were hurled at him from the audience of 50 people. Police at the event took two people into custody.

The motive was believed to be a protest against Israel's policy toward the Palestinians.