Are you really questioning the secularism in France based on couple of isolated incidents?
As far as shedding tags are concerned, Pakistan should drop the Islamic tag too? No country is perfect, the tags are what the countries want to be, some get close to achieving it some don't. France is trying to be secular, India a secular democracy, Pakistan an Islamic Republic, but none of them fit the text book definition.
Last edited by Roybot; 08-01-2012 at 09:52 PM.
Indians brought China into this discussion and wanted to know why it is different from France. We explained it.
It certainly does. If the deeds don't match the words, then hypocrisy is exposed.
We are pointing out that this action by an official French govt. body does not mesh with the stated goal of secularism. The other issues have been discussed in other threads.
Once again, it's about truth in advertising.
When someone goes to Vatican City, they know it has Christian laws. When someone goes to KSA, they know it has Muslim laws. France claims its laws are religion-agnostic, hence it will be held to that claim.
I replied to the part that was relevant to the topic at hand, i.e. the action in France.
Indians are being protective of France, because we face similar tirade from you guys.
I mean all it takes is one or two isolated incidents and suddenly everything else which are shining examples of secularism don't count. France has around 2000 Mosques, if thats not a proof enough of secularism then I don't know what is.
It doesn't matter anything if there is just one single incident against any community. Negative word of mouth propagates and accepted too rapidly than positive one......Its a sociological phenomenon proved by many theories and history.
Going by the trend on this forum, local news are discussed too much by everyone than the more generalized and broader subject.
On a lighter note, declare France as an Islamic Jamhoooriya and then it might take a step in the right direction towards being regarded as 'secular' by these Pakistanis.
And ironically, none of crowd here screaming murder believes even remotely in the concept of secularism...![]()
Perhaps important to point out that it was a communist run local council, not the French Government. Bodes well with the principles of Communism? If communist China banning fasting in Xinjiang is not outrageous then why is this?
Besides if French Muslims feel that they have been wronged, the French consititution gives them the right to challenge and protest against it. That in my opinion is more important, laws to uphold secularism.
The Communist council did something wrong, Muslims protested, corrective measures taken and secularism upheld. Thats how things work.
Just like you can't guarantee every citizen that you will not be robbed or murdered by some criminal, similarly you can't guarantee that every step, measure taken by everyone in France is going to be secular in nature. What you can guarantee is that, if you are killed or robbed or discriminated because of your religion, then there are laws in place to give you justice.
You did not explain it. Just skirted it. and ironically the answer given was "their country their rules".
As many have said, a serial rapist does not have the moral ground to criticize an eve-teaser. Get the drift ?
People who dont believe in secularism themselves dont have a ground to complain regarding such 'perceived' denial to them.
Hey mate...What effin part of "their country, their rules" you did not understand ?
i see the same restrictions are not placed on other chinese hui muslims, and just uighyer muslims, you should read the news properly, its been placed amid the clashes between government and yigher liberations matter, nothing to do with prohibiting the religious practice
the news also seem to be cooked up in certain parts
Wow now only if we saw the same rationality and vast range of benefit of doubts from you guys when it came to Muslim issues in India and other secular democracies!
This hypocrisy in the name of Islam is very distasteful to be honest. You guys should stop using religion as a strategic tool, give your religion the respect it deserves.
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