France workers sacked for fasting!!!

[kamchor]

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oh yar this is ridiculous y would someone sack an employee just bcz they are fasting?

Well you just blow them up!!!!!!

oh yar why do we start fighting on every topic? chor de yar tension mat lay agr doosra bolta hai burra tou bolnay day.

[Agnostic_Indian]

Indians brought China into this discussion and wanted to know why it is different from France. We explained it.



It certainly does. If the deeds don't match the words, then hypocrisy is exposed.



We are pointing out that this action by an official French govt. body does not mesh with the stated goal of secularism. The other issues have been discussed in other threads.



Once again, it's about truth in advertising.

When someone goes to Vatican City, they know it has Christian laws. When someone goes to KSA, they know it has Muslim laws. France claims its laws are religion-agnostic, hence it will be held to that claim.



I replied to the part that was relevant to the topic at hand, i.e. the action in France.

this discussing is not about China and my post also was not against China but against hypocrite Pakistanis who criticise actions of the same kind by looking at the face .

even though China or saudi or Pakistan is not the topic one can connect these countries by the actions of same kind we we are discussing .


there is only one difference while France felt it is not right to declare it as a Christian state because it will negatively affect the rights and dignity of other sects of people .

on the other hand people of Pakistan and Saudi and many other nations never though of giving equal statues to all it's citizen.

in France when something goes against the spirit of it's constitution people their have the right to approach the court but in other countries people their can't do that because law of being secular is not their at the first place . so in one country they provide legal right to be treated as equal while in other countries they made the injustice , inequality to be legal ..

[karan.1970]

Nonsense argument. The government of Pakistan is not involved here; only Pakistani posters.

By your logic, we shouldn't hear a peep out of Indians about ANY issue in the world until India eradicates that particular issue within India itself.

Nonsense extrapolation.. There is a difference in an existing issue and and underlying principle. Absence of secularism in Pakistan and KSA is not an issue, but a Conscious decision and setup decided for the country, and the same is fully supported by most members on this forum. Religious freedom in Pakistan and KSA for non muslims comes with a million riders and that situation is the one accepted and championed by most Pakistanis (and almost all defence.pk pakistani members). After that demanding unconditional religious freedom for Muslims in non Muslim countries kind of reeks of hypocrisy to me.

This is kind of a non democratic country demanding democracy in another country..

if france cant provide secular rights for muslims, then it shouldnt claim one, and gather praise from the world alright, just like india, worlds largest democracy, every body knows what india is for minorities

If you go thru my original post where I absolutely stand by this. However my contention is with Paksitanis who themselves have consiously decided to not provide secular conditions in Pakistan, demanding those conditions in other countries

[KingMamba93]

I know a muslim guy here who works in the mines and often in the night,hows he supposed to fast.

Similarly cant these 4 guys done the same and not fast or fast next month or so.

They are camp counselors they are obligated to fast if it brings no hardship to them. The guy you know works in the mines not fasting is more understandable.

[TheJewverine]

Don't make it a religious issue.If that job requires healthier poeple for children security then whats wrong in that.There are many jobs ,simple find other job instead making it a religious and political issue

Exactly, they got paid WTF are they whining about?

[KingMamba93]

I am not here to debate who is tolerant and who is not, the fact of the matter is why someone turns a blind eye when something strange and illogical happens in one country while cry out loud when other do.

Aren't many countries also worried to the edge when it comes to effect of western civilization in their country which they openly oppose ? Aren't people got to the extent to praise a killer who kills a judge on basis of religion ?

Phobia is present everywhere, don't tell me its just in the France or West. Every country or religion is always worried about conversion and diffusion of other religion in their own country.

With what has been happening around the world, where Muslims are portrayed as extremists, the general population is getting more anxious about them. The propaganda, truth, call it whatever, at the end of the day, these people are going more islamophobic just like people are too much worried about Christians in their country. They think whites want to rule them and jehad is the way out.

How can a person distinguish or be certain of a person's objective and state of mind when there is so much prejudice against that person in the society?

Phobia emerges where there is irrationality and insecurity in the society.

Try to look from other frame of reference, instead of getting emotional.

P.S. I am open for healthy debate not for cheap shots.

Your argument is void and frankly off topic. Basically you are saying since Muslim countries are intolerant they have the right to be intolerant even though they claim to be "modernized" Westerners and the champions of human society. If that is the case that is downright hypocrisy especially since they claim Muslim countries are stuck in the medieval ages in one hand and on the other do the same things they accuse us of.

Nonsense extrapolation.. There is a difference in an existing issue and and underlying principle. Absence of secularism in Pakistan and KSA is not an issue, but a Conscious decision and setup decided for the country, and the same is fully supported by most members on this forum. Religious freedom in Pakistan and KSA for non muslims comes with a million riders and that situation is the one accepted and championed by most Pakistanis (and almost all defence.pk pakistani members). After that demanding unconditional religious freedom for Muslims in non Muslim countries kind of reeks of hypocrisy to me.

This is kind of a non democratic country demanding democracy in another country..



If you go thru my original post where I absolutely stand by this. However my contention is with Paksitanis who themselves have consiously decided to not provide secular conditions in Pakistan, demanding those conditions in other countries

If KSA does not have equal rights it is the fault of the West. They legitimized a monarchy and now need their oil for their own needs and are to scared to question the Saudis about anything.

Yes you are right it does reek of hypocrisy but the kicker is the Muslim majority nations don't go around claiming to be secular so anybody who lives there knows what they are going to get whereas the "democratic" countries claim to be secular so they should grant equal rights to everyone or stop claiming to be something they are not. If Muslims know there is no religious freedom in France for them they will stop going to France it is as simple as that.

[KingMamba93]

they are fasting in fear , if they dont you terrorist will kill them , they dont hv option

muslims should be band from everywhere they can all live in country of peace MIGHTY PAKISTAN

You are a dumb troll. Your thoughts and very existence are irrelevant.

[Dreamreaper]

they are fasting in fear , if they dont you terrorist will kill them , they dont hv option

muslims should be band from everywhere they can all live in country of peace MIGHTY PAKISTAN

Learn about your religion dumbo...whatever you are,hindu,sikh or a closet hindu hiding behind atheism..
There are forms of fasting in yours too...

[KingMamba93]

Exactly, they got paid WTF are they whining about?

The same situation happen to a Jew and he will start crying about anti-Semitic and Israel will demand an apology and claim how there existence is now in doubt and somehow tie everything into the Holocaust.

[jaunty]

I just read on turkish news , chinese also restrict fasting.

But you won't see Pakistanis criticizing them, rather they have all kinds of excuses to defend China, Uyghurs(East Turkestani) are lesser Muslims?

[United]

they are fasting in fear , if they dont you terrorist will kill them , they dont hv option

muslims should be band from everywhere they can all live in country of peace MIGHTY PAKISTAN

u have been reported get ready to get band.

[Emmie]

Nonsense argument. The government of Pakistan is not involved here; only Pakistani posters.

By your logic, we shouldn't hear a peep out of Indians about ANY issue in the world until India eradicates that particular issue within India itself.

Valid point sir.. Debate in this case makes sense if we talk about the concept of secular or non-secular state, doesn't make sense at all if we throw down the gauntlets on an individual's statement, unfortunately latter is all we are getting in the thread.

Moreover - So called deeds of a non-secular Islamic state (as per some views in here) can't be regarded as valid reasons for a secular state to execute non-secular acts.

[KingMamba93]

But you won't see Pakistanis criticizing them, rather they have all kinds of excuses to defend China, Uyghurs(East Turkestani) are lesser Muslims?

You will never see Indians commenting on the topic in the thread instead choosing to deflect the topic to one that fits there purpose.

Valid point sir.. Debate in this case makes sense if we talk about the concept of secular or non-secular state, doesn't make sense at all if we throw down the gauntlets on an individual's statement, unfortunately latter is all we are getting in the thread.

Moreover - So called deeds of a non-secular Islamic state (as per some views in here) can't be regarded as valid reasons for a secular state to execute non-secular acts.

This is it man. You hit it right on the head.

[jaunty]

You will never see Indians commenting on the topic in the thread instead choosing to deflect the topic to one that fits there purpose.

OK let me open a new thread about China.

[KRAIT]

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Your argument is void and frankly off topic. Basically you are saying since Muslim countries are intolerant they have the right to be intolerant even though they claim to be "modernized" Westerners and the champions of human society. If that is the case that is downright hypocrisy especially since they claim Muslim countries are stuck in the medieval ages in one hand and on the other do the same things they accuse us of.

Sorry to say you got it wrong. May be I didn't present my view in better fashion.