Ahmadinejad wins election

[StealthQL-707PK]

Congratulation to Ahmadinejad !!

[Cheetah786]

Originally Posted by jeypore

That is funny Arabs feels the same way as Obama does!!!

Arabs feel bad if any Muslim country moves in the right direction.

[Durran3]

YouTube - Ahmadinejad Re-elected,Demonstrators, Police Clash in Tehran 2009

YouTube - Ahmadinejad Re-elected,Demonstrators, Police Clash in Tehran 2009

Raw Footage of Protectors being beaten

YouTube - Iranian Election Riots 2009 [Raw Video]

YouTube - Iranian Election Riots 2009 [Raw Video]

[StealthQL-707PK]

Originally Posted by Durran3

YouTube - Ahmadinejad Re-elected,Demonstrators, Police Clash in Tehran 2009

Raw Footage of Protectors being beaten

YouTube - Iranian Election Riots 2009 [Raw Video]

What's your point? Demonstrators are always beaten by polices in many countries elections. No surprise!

[Durran3]

His election is nothing but a "coup d'état"... I find it hard to believe when more than 50% of Iran's voter are all young people and didn't want MA to win yet he wins by a landslide.. there is something clearly fishy here.. I am talking to some Iranian friends of mine right now.. infact one is sitting right next to me and he says these are clearly rigged elections.. now obviously i am not going to base my judgment on a word of mouth but clearly there needs to be some form of investigation done

[iajdani]

Originally Posted by Durran3

His election is nothing but a "coup d'état"... I find it hard to believe when more than 50% of Iran's voter are all young people and didn't want MA to win yet he wins by a landslide.. there is something clearly fishy here.. I am talking to some Iranian friends of mine right now.. infact one is sitting right next to me and he says these are clearly rigged elections.. now obviously i am not going to base my judgment on a word of mouth but clearly there needs to be some form of investigation done

Ohh no!! he got some real hard core supporter specially in rural Iran. If you go outside Tehran, its totally different picture. I been there and I know... Did you see his pre election rallies?

[StealthQL-707PK]

Originally Posted by Durran3

His election is nothing but a "coup d'état"... I find it hard to believe when more than 50% of Iran's voter are all young people and didn't want MA to win yet he wins by a landslide.. there is something clearly fishy here.. I am talking to some Iranian friends of mine right now.. infact one is sitting right next to me and he says these are clearly rigged elections.. now obviously i am not going to base my judgment on a word of mouth but clearly there needs to be some form of investigation done

Sound like you are very concerned. Are you journalist? If yes, please go to Iran for investigation.


Ahmadinejad received massive supports from the voters period. I knew it. No question.

[Al-zakir]

Originally Posted by Durran3

YouTube - Ahmadinejad Re-elected,Demonstrators, Police Clash in Tehran 2009

Raw Footage of Protectors being beaten

YouTube - Iranian Election Riots 2009 [Raw Video]

These are few liberal and pro west students making some useless noise. Amhadeinejad won the election with out a doubt. These liberals won't do any damage to his credibility.

[Durran3]

Originally Posted by Al-zakir

These are few liberal and pro west students making some useless noise. Amhadeinejad won the election with out a doubt. These liberals won't do any damage to his credibility.

Why is anyone that is liberal termed as a bad thing and 'Pro-West'? I completely fail to see that logic what does west have anything to do with a person being liberal in his/her country.

Since when did ideas like Individual Rights, Equal opportunity, freedom of though/speech, limiting government powers, right to private property, a transparent government system become a bad thing?
Or just because you support these ideas your termed 'Pro-West' for what ever nonsense reason... Seriously think a little will you

[StealthQL-707PK]

Reference


US rejects victory claim by Iran's Ahmadinejad

NIAGARA FALLS, Ontario – The U.S. on Saturday refused to accept hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's claim of a landslide re-election victory in Iran and said it was looking into allegations of election fraud.

Any hopes by the Obama administration of gaining a result similar to Lebanon's recent election, won by a Western-backed moderate coalition, appeared to be in jeopardy.

"We are monitoring the situation as it unfolds in Iran, but we, like the rest of the world, are waiting and watching to see what the Iranian people decide," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said at a news conference with Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lawrence Cannon.

Minutes after Clinton spoke, the White House released a two-sentence statement praising "the vigorous debate and enthusiasm that this election generated, particularly among young Iranians," but expressing concern about "reports of irregularities."

Despite the challenge from reformist Mir Hossein Mousavi to incumbent hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, many officials and experts thought a Mousavi victory would result in only incremental shifts toward the U.S.

Because real power in Tehran is still wielded by religious leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, some say an Ahmadinejad re-election may make it easier to build an international consensus against Iran.

Administration officials remained silent out of concern that any comments might influence the results. But they were privately hoping for a victory by the more moderate Mousavi.

President Barack Obama's previous overtures include his recent address in Cairo to the Muslim world as well as, earlier, a televised New Year's address to the Iranian people and a series of diplomatic contacts. Officials say Obama's attempts to reach out have gone largely unanswered.

Neither Clinton nor the White House mentioned Ahmadinejad or his chief rival Mousavi, by name, or acknowledged the incumbent's victory declaration.

Iranian authorities reported that Ahmadinejad was re-elected with 62.6 percent of the vote. He called on the public to respect the vote. But Mousavi, a former prime minister who has become the hero of a youth-driven movement seeking greater liberties and a gentler face for Iran abroad, rejected the results and accused authorities of rigging Friday's vote.

Karim Sadjadpour, an Iran analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said Saturday that Ahmadinejad's claim of a victory puts the Obama administration in a tough position.

"I think it's going to make it incredibly difficult for the Obama administration to acquiesce on Iran's enrichment of uranium when there is a president in Tehran who continues to deny the Holocaust, and continues to be belligerent toward Israel," Sadjadpour said. "I don't see the probability of Ahmadinejad taking a more moderate or conciliatory approach his second time around. Similar to what President Bush said when he was re-elected in 2004, he said, 'I've earned political capital, and now I am going to use it.'"

As a result, Sadjadpour said the U.S. may have to review its diplomatic approach with Iran. "We have no other choice but to open a sustained dialogue with Tehran," Sadjadpour said.

In brief remarks in Canada, Clinton cited "the enthusiasm and the very vigorous debate and dialogue" in the run-up to the vote. "We obviously hope that the outcome reflects the genuine will and desire of the Iranian people," she said.

Canada's foreign minister Cannon said his country was "deeply concerned" by reports of irregularities in the election. "We're troubled by reports of intimidation of opposition candidates' offices by security forces," he said. "Canada is calling on Iranian authorities to conduct fair and transparent counting of all ballots."

Disappointment in the results was summed up by the Anti-Defamation League, which noted Ahmadinejad's history of "extremist allegations and attacks" against Jews and Israel as well as the United States

"We are greatly disappointed by the re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad," the ADL said in a statement. "We had hoped that a different outcome to this election would have sent a message to the international community that Ahmadinejads incendiary behavior is not reflective of the beliefs and views of the Iranian people. Unfortunately, the result for Iran is likely to be another four years of extremism and isolation."

[idune]

Most of these protest activities are centered around north of Tehran few in central Tehran around gov interior ministry located. Rest of Tehran and Iran as a whole accepted result as it is. North of Tehran mostly poulated by people with higher income but low in numbers mostly Mousavi supporters.

Street violence are caused by youths from these neighborhood.Look at the video and language. Instead of Farsi they are chanting in English "down with dictator" "we want freedom". Its rare Iranians speak to each other in English. These youths are instigated and bribed by outsiders only to create scene and produce propaganda materials for western powers.

[A1Kaid]

Originally Posted by Durran3

His election is nothing but a "coup d'état"... I find it hard to believe when more than 50% of Iran's voter are all young people and didn't want MA to win yet he wins by a landslide.. there is something clearly fishy here.. I am talking to some Iranian friends of mine right now.. infact one is sitting right next to me and he says these are clearly rigged elections.. now obviously i am not going to base my judgment on a word of mouth but clearly there needs to be some form of investigation done

Oh really?

Are you aware candidate and former Iranian PM. Mousavi and his party said they would have their representatives and party members monitoring the elections and ballot sites to prevent any type of rigging.

This is what him and his party said they would do, and obviously who can blame them. So let's see what candidate Hussein Mousavi has to say about the election results, if he concedes victory to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad then that is that.


Perhaps it's not Mousavi's time or destiny...?

[idune]

Originally Posted by Durran3

Why is anyone that is liberal termed as a bad thing and 'Pro-West'? I completely fail to see that logic what does west have anything to do with a person being liberal in his/her country.

Since when did ideas like Individual Rights, Equal opportunity, freedom of though/speech, limiting government powers, right to private property, a transparent government system become a bad thing?
Or just because you support these ideas your termed 'Pro-West' for what ever nonsense reason... Seriously think a little will you

Democracy and liberalism is only good for a developing country when you have ability to compete with indo-zion-western media, institutions (both military and civil) and economy. Otherwise, liberalism will only be used by indo-zion-western axis to infiltrate, exploite, and deceive people of the country. Look around the world you will see Karzai style govt are ruling in disguise of democracy - all western creation.
Real popular leaders are sidelined by overwhelming indo-zion-western power, money and propaganda.

[A1Kaid]

Originally Posted by idune

Most of these protest activities are centered around north of Tehran few in central Tehran around gov interior ministry located. Rest of Tehran and Iran as a whole accepted result as it is. North of Tehran mostly poulated by people with higher income but low in numbers mostly Mousavi supporters.

Street violence are caused by youths from these neighborhood.Look at the video and language. Instead of Farsi they are chanting in English "down with dictator" "we want freedom". Its rare Iranians speak to each other in English. These youths are instigated and bribed by outsiders only to create scene and produce propaganda materials for western powers.

Yes that is true Hussein Mousavi's hardcore supporters are concentrated in Northern Tehran, amongst the liberal and moderate types, and not to mention wealthier communities...


I wasn't aware they were chanting in "English", perhaps they are trying to reach an "international audience" by chanting in an "international language" such as English... They are trying to call attention to themselves. This relates to your statement that they are trying to create propaganda for western audiences and media and powers, quite an interesting point.

[A1Kaid]

Originally Posted by Durran3

Why is anyone that is liberal termed as a bad thing and 'Pro-West'? I completely fail to see that logic what does west have anything to do with a person being liberal in his/her country.

Since when did ideas like Individual Rights, Equal opportunity, freedom of though/speech, limiting government powers, right to private property, a transparent government system become a bad thing?
Or just because you support these ideas your termed 'Pro-West' for what ever nonsense reason... Seriously think a little will you

Well you raise a legitimate concern.

However, it is because people who are "liberals" living in Muslim countries tend to get their inspiration from the West, from western legal codes, TV, movies, music, fashion, and more. So the association is made that a "liberal type" has "western tendencies". For example, liberal types even the ones who may consider themselves to be "Muslims" are open to and may support "secularism" which is truly a western system though created by Ibn Rushid (Averroes). Also they may be opened to other liberties such as drinking alcohol and other things commonly grown, found, and symbolized most in the West...

Again, so the association is made.

Though it is correct that demanding human rights, freedom of speech, government transparency, is not necessarily western. Though in this specific case these Iranians in Northern Tehran are indeed liberal types but to suggest they are "pro-west" is not necessarily correct unless proven. Sure they may want to open up their society to western countries to do trade, education, business, travel, and other things that come with mutual freedom and liberty...