Ahmadinejad wins election

[Durran3]

However, it is because people who are "liberals" living in Muslim countries tend to get their inspiration from the West, from western legal codes, TV, movies, music, fashion, and more. So the association is made that a "liberal type" has "western tendencies". For example, liberal types even the ones who may consider themselves to be "Muslims" are open to and may support "secularism" which is truly a western system though created by Averroes. Also they may be opened to other liberties such as drinking alcohol and other things commonly grown, found, and symbolized most in the West...

Why is listening to music, watching TV, or studying things like Art a bad thing? Music and Drama have been here for hundreds of years... There are certainly good things we can take from others and others who can take from us. Surely drinking alcohol, gambling and indulging yourself in various other fantasies is not entirely a western phenomenon whether you consider them good or bad. These things have been around for Centuries and hundreds of years in all countries, empires and civilizations including the Arab countries.

As far as liberties go.. i believe the more you try to hide things from others the more they will have an urge to try it out. I do believe in regulation of course (not so much of the financial system lol)... Its about Law and Order to be quiet frank.. As long as your not harming others i don't see why any government should ever interfere in your personal/private life like forcing a woman to wear a hijab if she doesn't want to.. !!

[A1Kaid]

Also I suggest the "liberal types" or Hussen Mousavi supporters not to engage in the self-destruction or rioting of their country or cities. There is no need to go out and raise chaos and hell and set things aflame or fight with police.

If Ahmadinejad has won than the majority has spoken, that is an important part of "democracy" that you party or favorite candidate may not win.






" TEHRAN, Iran (CNN) -- As street protests and voter skepticism rose over Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's election victory, the incumbent leader hailed the vote, saying it was a "great ordeal" but one that pointed "the way to the future."

Moussavi supporters run past a burning bus in Tehran on Saturday.

"The people of Iran inspired hope for all nations and created a source of pride in the nation and disappointed all the ill wishers," Ahmadinejad said in a nationwide TV address Saturday night. "This election was held at a juncture of history."

The government said on Saturday that Ahmadinejad won Friday's presidential election with 62.63 percent of the vote and Mir Hossein Moussavi received 33.75 percent of the vote.

But while he extolled the result and the huge turnout, Moussavi and supporters in the Tehran streets are crying foul as street clashes have erupted in the aftermath of the polls.If they feel this way than their concerns should be investigated and an independent investigation ought to be conducted) Reaction emerged across the world, as countries such as the United States and Canada voiced concern over claims of voter irregularities.

The ongoing street protests have been viewed as remarkable in a country where anti-government sentiment is not looked upon kindly by those in power. In the aftermath of the vote, street protesters and riot police engaged in running battles, with stones thrown, garbage cans set on fire and people shouting "death to the dictatorship."

Source: Ahmadinejad hails election as protests grow - CNN.com





"Majority Rules Minority Rights"

[AirforcePilot]

U.S. rejects victory claim by Iran president


The U.S. on Saturday refused to accept hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's claim of a landslide re-election victory in Iran and said it was looking into allegation of election fraud.

"We are monitoring the situation as it unfolds in Iran, but we, like the rest of the world, are waiting and watching to see what the Iranian people decide," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said at a news conference with Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lawrence Cannon.

Minutes after Clinton spoke, the White House released a two-sentence statement praising "the vigorous debate and enthusiasm that this election generated, particularly among young Iranians," but expressing concern about "reports of irregularities."

Neither Clinton nor the White House mentioned Ahmadinejad or his chief rival, Mir Hossein Mousavi, by name, or acknowledged the incumbent's victory declaration.

Iranian authorities reported that Ahmadinejad was re-elected with 62.6 percent of the vote. He called on the public to respect the vote. But Mousavi, a former prime minister who has become the hero of a youth-driven movement seeking greater liberties and a gentler face for Iran abroad, rejected the results and accused authorities of rigging Friday's vote.

In brief remarks in Canada, Clinton cited "the enthusiasm and the very vigorous debate and dialogue" in the run-up to the vote. "We obviously hope that the outcome reflects the genuine will and desire of the Iranian people," she said.

Canada 'deeply concerned'
Cannon said his country was "deeply concerned" by reports of irregularities in the election. "We're troubled by reports of intimidation of opposition candidates' offices by security forces," he said. "Canada is calling on Iranian authorities to conduct fair and transparent counting of all ballots."

Hadi Ghaemi, spokesman for the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran, denounced the outcome as "a Tehran Tiananmen" — a reference to China's brutal 1989 crackdown on pro-democracy activists — and urged the international community not to recognize the result.

The election outcome will not sharply alter Iran's main policies or sway major decisions, such as possible talks with Washington or nuclear policies. Those crucial issues rest with the ruling clerics headed by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

But the election focused on what the office of the Iranian president can influence: boosting Iran's sinking economy, pressing for greater media and political freedoms, and being Iran's main envoy to the world.

Iran does not allow international election monitors. During the 2005 election, when Ahmadinejad won the presidency, there were some allegations of vote rigging from losers, but the claims were never investigated.

Source--MSNBC

It's time for the Iranian people to call for an investigation to see if there was any election fraud.

[Al-zakir]

Originally Posted by AirforcePilot

It's time for the Iranian people to call for an investigation to see if there was any election fraud.

Bro, Have you forgotten about 2000 election that George W bush won by cheating on Florida? I have not seen any investigation took place thus why are you suggestion such?

[StealthQL-707PK]

Originally Posted by Al-zakir

Bro, Have you forgotten about 2000 election that George W bush won by cheating on Florida? I have not seen any investigation took place thus why are you suggestion such?

2004 election vs John Kerry. Yes he cheated in both of those elections. That's classified information, if they told you then they would kill you.

[AirforcePilot]

Originally Posted by Al-zakir

Bro, Have you forgotten about 2000 election that George W bush won by cheating on Florida? I have not seen any investigation took place thus why are you suggestion such?

If you read up on the 2000 elections, you will see the Florida votes were recounted again and again. We have laws in place for a candidate to contest the votes. What laws are in place for Mousavi to contest the votes if he feels there is election fraud? Do you think the people of Iran have the right to know if this was a fair election?

[Al-zakir]

Originally Posted by AirforcePilot

If you read up on the 2000 elections, you will see the Florida votes were recounted again and again. We have laws in place for a candidate to contest the votes. What laws are in place for Mousavi to contest the votes if he feels there is election fraud? Do you think the people of Iran have the right to know if this was a fair election?

True yet Florida supreme court had to declare his presidency which is uncommon in electoral system. You also have to remember the fact that his brother was governor and Katherine Harris as secretary of the state. It was biased and rigged election and we all know it. In 2004 similar incident happened in Ohio.

Bottom line is American don't need to intervene in Iranian matter. People of Iran choose their leadership based on their interest.

[Durran3]

The Florida Elections were a sham there is no doubt about it.. Fox news was the first to actually declare the victory before the full results were even out..!! still doesn't mean the Iranian elections need to be looked into though

[Al-zakir]

Originally Posted by Durran3

still doesn't mean the Iranian elections need to be looked into though

I don't disagree with you on this however if Iranian dislike Ahmadinejad than they will come out in mass number and protest all over Iran. Hence, only confined in suburb of Tehran isn't valid accusation as it can be staged by opposition.

Let see the future development that will take place in coming days.

[A1Kaid]

Listen if the Iranians wish to throw out a regime or leader they have proven in the past they can and will. Truth is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is popular amongst many of the Iranian common people, rural areas, suburbs, and some urban areas and religious belts...

What is interesting to note is Western media news sources like Fox, CNN, and especially MSNBC are mainly showing news coverage of pro-Mousavi rally's and everyone wearing green shirts, green banners, green scarfs, and things like that. They continuously show the footage of large pro-Mousavi rallies.


But they don't really show how massive the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's rallies are! The coverage is completely one-sided here in the US.

The Ahmadinejad rallies are Olympic size. Anyways the main problem and frustration Iranians have is with inflation and economic issues. Recently, there was a poll conducted by a respected International source that Iranians DO NOT blame Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for their economic hardships. It appears they understand the 'cause and effect' West is sanctioning them over the Nuclear issue that even pro-Mousavi supporters are in support of!


Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is standing up in defiance to the West. He's one of the few leaders that is outspoken, blunt, truthful, and I personally like it when he sends a strong message to the enemy.

Under his leadership Iran has played brilliantly chess-like diplomacy after the Iraq invasion, they played off the war into their favor.

Even under the Shah with US-UK backed support Iran could not manage to reach this level of regional strength.

I cannot remember a time in modern history when Iran's regional prowess has been so mighty...

[AirforcePilot]

Originally Posted by Al-zakir

True yet Florida supreme court had to declare his presidency which is uncommon in electoral system. You also have to remember the fact that his brother was governor and Katherine Harris as secretary of the state. It was biased and rigged election and we all know it. In 2004 similar incident happened in Ohio.

Bottom line is American don't need to intervene in Iranian matter. People of Iran choose their leadership based on their interest.

My point is that we have a system to challenge votes even if the outcome is not fair. I think all systems has flaws, and no politician likes to lose.

I agree with you 100%!! We should not get involved with the Iranian elections. This is up to the Iranian's to sort this out.

[Al-zakir]

Originally Posted by AirforcePilot

I agree with you 100%!! We should not get involved with the Iranian elections. This is up to the Iranian's to sort this out.

Let us drink to that though I prefer soft drink. No alcohol.

[AirforcePilot]

Originally Posted by Al-zakir

Let us drink to that though I prefer soft drink. No alcohol.

Absolutely! Soft drinks it is since I also do not drink alcohol beverages..

[Durran3]

Massive protests still going on over Ahmadinajad's Victory

YouTube - 15th June 2009 millions protest in iran against election fraud in Iran

YouTube - 15th June 2009 millions protest in iran against election fraud in Iran

Lets hope that all this soon ends... for the Best Minute by Minute coverage of whats happening visit..

Iran Updates (VIDEO): Live-Blogging The Uprising

I wasn't hoping the protests would turn this violent..



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[Joshi]

America's plan to bring change in Iranian regime has bitten the dust. It was not a mere co-incidence of usurping of articles related to Iranian regime change in 1960s. Now they are trying to fix something totally out of their hand. Ahmedjinad win IMO, is also the handi-work of anti-Americans in Eurasia, than just the votes. America was sure that Ahmednijad would lose, but some one snubbed them pretty badly. And now they are snuffing & puffing like a street dog.
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This might well prove to be yet another bolt in America's coffin.