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    A devil to combat the devil.
    President Obama will want NATO to work not just in poetry but in prose.CSTO creates Russia-based collective rapid reaction force

    The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) members -- Russia, Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan -- to establish a rapid reaction unit. A draft agreement calling for each of the seven member states to provide one battalion for the formation of a collective rapid reaction force. NATO's expansion policy is seen by Moscow as a continuation of a Cold War attempt to surround and isolate Russia. Politically, Moscow sees the CSTO as a buffer against foreign interference in the affairs of Russia and the Central Asian states, which can be activated during tense periods

    Russia US$ 70.2 BILLION in Active Military Personnel: 1,245,000 2008. Belarus Defense expenditures us 1.0 Billion Active Military Personnel, 79,000.Kazakhstan Defense expenditures in 2008, 1300 million dollars Active Military Personnel, 75000, Uzbekistan Defense expenditures in 2007 %902,4 million dollars Active Military Personnel 53,000. Tajikistan ($52.2 million) and Kyrgyzstan ($40.4 million). These expenditures amount to about 1.5% of the GDP of these countries on average. Defense and security in these countries are maintained on a sufficient level mostly due to Russia assistance and the presence of military bases of Russia on their territories (the 201st military base in Tajikistan and the Kant AF Base in Kyrgyzstan).

    In the last few years, the West has approached Russia with perhaps careless indifference to the impact of its policies on Russian perceived interests. Asking Russia sequentially to accept Western policies on NATO enlargement, Kosovo recognition, prospective ballistic missile deployment, Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) treaty interpretations and on numerous other subjects, while perhaps individually justifiable in their own right, has cumulatively amounted to a process that encouraged resentment in Russia. As a result, while certain Western policies were advanced, some larger strategic interests were sometimes sacrificed

    NATO has added new members seven times since first forming in 1949. NATO comprises twenty-six members: Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States. And since their accession on 29 March 2004, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenina.

    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said the initiative would allow "operational reaction to threats", adding that the new unit would not be less powerful than NATO forces, AFP reported

    A U.S. missile shield in Europe and attempts to expand it to the Caucasus and Central Asia is a threat to all CSTO member countries. "It is all a part of large-scale work aimed at creating a well-developed military infrastructure around Russia, Belarus and other CSTO countries," "It is a loaded gun...And I do not understand the assurances given by Western diplomats that it is not aimed against Russia," Ex Sectary CSTO Bordyuzha said .

    The collective rapid-reaction force to be created by a post-Soviet regional security bloc will be just as good as comparable NATO forces; Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said the CSTO was open for cooperation with the United States in the fight against terrorism in Central Asia. The force will be used to repulse military aggression, conduct anti-terrorist operations, fight transnational crime and drug trafficking, and neutralize the effects of natural disaster .

    The rapid reaction force "is aimed at strengthening the military capacity of our organization," said Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian whose country currently chairs the CSTO.

    The force will be permanently based in Russia and placed under a single command, with CSTO member countries contributing special military units. The decision to create a truly collective force with a permanent location and a united command would propel the alliance to a new level. The body was initially formed to counter the increasing influence of the western alliance and its possible expansion toward Russian borders.

    The strengthening of the CSTO has been one of Russia's main foreign policy successes in recent years. The process was a long and difficult one: the treaty, signed in 1992 following the collapse of the Soviet Union, remained on paper for a long time. It was not until 2000, when Russia began regaining its influence in Central Asia, that the treaty took on a life of its own. In 2002, an organization with a permanent structure was set up on the basis of the treaty. This was a time when Russia and the United States vied for a leading role in Central Asia, where the U.S. set up its bases after 2001 to supply NATO's troops in Afghanistan. .

    The rivalry ended with the U.S. pulling out of most Central Asian republics where it originally deployed its forces. The government of Kyrgyzstan has recently decided to scrap its agreement with the U.S. on the Manas Air Base. Manas should be closed to the U.S. In return, the Kremlin promised Kyrgyzstan US$ 2 billion in loans and US$ 150 million to construct a power station at Kambarata. Moscow will also evidently take over the base and deploy there, or so it claims, one division and one brigade as part of the CSTO, supposedly the equal of NATO’s forces.

    “We're creating a fund of $10 billion. It will be like an air bag for those states whose situation becomes critical,” commented Belarusian President Aleksandr. economy; creating a CIS-wide fund to bail out distressed states; lending money to Kyrgyzstan, Armenia, and Belarus, establishing air, land, and naval bases in Abkhazia; signing an air defense agreement with Belarus that could provide for the stationing there of Iskander missiles with which to threaten Central Europe; and forcing Kyrgyzstan to evict the United States from Manas.
    (sources BEYOND MANAS: RUSSIA’SGAME IN AFGHANISTAN)

    Russia is ready to commit the 98th Airborne Division (Ivanovo) and the 31st Air-Assault Kutuzov 2nd Class Assault Landing Brigade (Ulyanovsk) Brigade to the force, which will provide security to all the CSTO states. ). Kazakhstan was to provide a brigade and become the second largest contributor.

    The assigned units will train under a common program and conduct regular joint exercises. Russia is making two of its air force bases available for the joint training and exercises. Units assigned to the collective forces by member countries will receive compatible armaments, equipment, and communications systems from Russia.

    The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO): also called the (North) Atlantic Alliance is a military alliance established by the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty on 4 April 1949. The NATO headquarters are in Brussels, Belgium and the organization constitutes a system of collective defense whereby its member states agree to mutual defense in response to an attack by any external party. The first NATO Secretary General, Lord Ismay, famously stated the organization's goal was "to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.

    The combined military spending of all NATO members constitutes over 70% of the world's defence spending, with the United States alone accounting for about half the total military spending of the world and the United Kingdom and France accounting for a further 10%..The military expenditures of the 25 members of NATO increased by $51 billion in 2007, reaching $855 billion, stated Jane's Defence Weekly (JDW) on Jan. 4 2008

    According to the figures, the European members of the organization provided 34 percent of the overall total while Canada provided 2 percent and the United States accounted for the rest. Most European countries, except Bulgaria, France, Greece, Turkey and the United States, failed to meet the NATO-mandated commitment to spare 2 percent of their national income for defense.

    The CSTO rapid reaction force, numbering now between 1,000 and 2,000 troops almost entirely from Russia and under Russian command, have been at the Kant military base in Kyrgyzstan since 2002.CSTO COUNTRIES will contribute one battalion each (totaling some 15,000 troops).

    The first NATO military operation caused by the conflict in the former Yugoslavia was Operation Sharp Guard, which ran from June 1993–October 1996. It provided maritime enforcement of the arms embargo and economic sanctions against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

    On 28 February 1994, NATO took its first military action, shooting down four Bosnian Serb aircraft violating a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone over central Bosnia and Herzegovina. Operation Deny Flight, the no-fly-zone enforcement mission, had begun a year before, on 12 April 1993, and was to continue until 20 December 1995

    NATO deployed a peacekeeping force, under Operation Joint Endeavor, first named IFOR and then SFOR, which ran from December 1996 to December 2004. Following the lead of its member nations, NATO began to award a service medal, the NATO Medal, for these operations.

    On 24 March 1999 till 11 June 1999 NATO saw its first broad-scale military engagement in the Kosovo War, where it waged an 11-week bombing campaign, which NATO called Operation Allied Force, against what was then the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, in an effort to stop Serbian-led crackdown on Albanian civilians in Kosovo. Kosovo Force (KFOR) in Kosovo since 1999. At present 35 countries (including all NATO members apart from Iceland and Canada) take part, with a total of around 15,500 troops. With approximately 2,800 troops Germany is the largest troop contributor (status: early December 2007).

    On the issue of Afghanistan on the other hand, the alliance showed greater unity: On 16 April 2003 NATO agreed to take command of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. The handover of control to NATO took place on 11 August, and marked the first time in NATO’s history that it took charge of a mission outside the north Atlantic area. Canada had originally been slated to take over ISAF by itself on that dateAt present 37 countries (including all NATO members) take part, with a total of around 40,000 troops. With approximately 3,300 troops Germany is the third-largest troop contributor .

    Operation ACTIVE ENDEAVOUR in the Mediterranean since October 2001. At present 8 NATO nations and Ukraine take part, with a total of around 2000 troops. Germany's contribution consists on a rotating basis of around 240 troops (1 frigate) or one submarine; currently the submarine is on patrol with a crew of 28. INVOLVEMENT OF NON-NATO NATIONS Similarly, Israel signed an EOL on 16 October 2006, followed on 6 June 2007 by a Technical Memorandum of Understanding (TMOU) between CC-Mar Naples and the Israeli Navy, Albina, Morocco, Algeria too www.shipping.eastlant.nato.int

    The Russian Federation demonstrated its interest in the operation in 2004. In September 2006, RFS Pitliviy – and subsequently the RFS Ladniy - joined OAE after a brief period of Force Integration Training at sea. The operation has attracted significant interest from Russia as demonstrated by the request for NATO’s Maritime Commander in Naples to brief the Russia General Staff in Moscow in October 2007 and in April 2008.

    NATO Training Mission Iraq NTM-I in Iraq since August 2004. Germany is fully active in NATO Staffs and bodies outside Iraq. A total of 138 troops from 17 nations (16 NATO members and Ukraine) have been posted to the Ar Rustamiyah Training Centre near Baghdad.

    In Europe, 2009 will be the 60th anniversary of the Nato Alliance. Given the challenges NATO has confronted in Afghanistan, and the awkward consequences for its enlargement policy of the Russia–Georgia war, it would be wise if the opportunity were seized for Nato to do more work on two fronts. First, reinvigorating Nato’s strategic concept and placing the emphasis on the stabilisation missions that are at the core of its current activities. Second, developing a CSTO strategy that allows for more effective consultation and where possible, co-operation, with CSTO

    In the aftermath of the Russia–Georgia conflict, the Russians announced plans for the most radical reform of the armed forces and making CSTO ,since the end of the Soviet Union. The army will be fully professionalised. The structure of the Armed Forces will change radically from divisions to more flexible brigades. This restructuring, if implemented jointly with the previously announced ambitious modernisation plans, could make Russian armed forces more capable to operate against modern threats and potentially better interoperable with western forces.

    USA Military budget US$1,049,875,309,000 Active Military Personnel: 1,385,122 NATO military spending in 2008, US $713,100,000,000 dollars U.K.: $63.2 billion. Military personnel: 195,000, France: $61.53 billion, Military personnel: 354,000.Germany: $45.8 billion, Military Personnel 257,000. Italy: $40.05 billion, 298,000.Canada: $19.50 billion, Military: 65,000.Spain: $12.80billion, Military: 132,000.Turkey: $30.94 billion, Military Personnel: 514,000.

    Netherlands: $12 billion, or $23,500 per head. Military: 51,000.Greece: $10.6 billion, . Military: 177,000.Poland: $11.80 billion. Military: 155,000.Norway: $7.5 billion. Military personnel: 28,000.Belgium: $4.9 billion, Military: 39,000.Denmark: $5 billion,. Military: 23,000.Portugal: $4.3 billion, Military: 45,000.Romania: $3 billion, Military: 93,000.Czech Republic: $2.71 billion, 57,000.Sweden Defense Budget: $7,000,000,000 Active Military Personnel 34,000

    Hungary: $1.5 billion,. Military: 33,000.Slovakia: $1.48billion, .Military Personnel: 26,000.Bulgaria: $1.0 Billion, Military: 41,000.Slovenia: 706 million, Military: 9,000.Latvia: $672 million, Military: 6,000.Lithuania: $490 million, 13,510. Iceland Iceland has no standing military force; under a 1951 bilateral agreement, defense of Iceland remains a NATO commitment

    Luxembourg: $359 million, Military: 1,600. Estonia: $487 million. Military: 5,700. Ukraine Defense Budget: $2,065,000,000, Active Military Personnel: 149,000 .Georgia. Defense Budget $2,500,000,000, Active Military Personnel: 17,500.

    In turn, raises the issue of NATO-CSTO ties. So far, NATO has been very reluctant to formalise any relationship with the organisation, fearing that such a step would seal Russian dominance of Central Asia.

    By engaging with the CSTO, NATO could contribute to that organisation's evolution toward a more modern regional security arrangement. It would also reassure Moscow that the Alliance does not seek to displace Russia as a major player in Central Asia, which would not be in Western interests anyway.

    Russia and the international community would also be well-advised to collaborate on stabilising Afghanistan - and in stemming the flow of drugs out of that country. Lastly, NATO should engage with CSTO.

    In the near future, the CSTO will be collaborating with the EU on issues ranging from
    security, peacekeeping, and conflict management. It is better for the CSTO to be proactive than to be a passive partner.

    NATO has not left with any other choice ,he must has to engage with CSTO in dialogue to safe him from a total military defeat in Afghanistan .CSTO and SCO can become a new military bloc against Nato and a new cold war start in Central Asia in near future.

    Nato is expanding now from Australia, Newzealand,Japan,kOREA,Taipie ,singapore and India is on list for new member ship ,it's will be great Diaster for China and pakistan ,may be they make a new alliance to counter Usa advance to their back yards .
    Part 2nd will be Nato countries and their defense spending.
    usman karim Based in Lahore Pakistan [email protected]

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    Quote Originally Posted by usman_1112 View Post
    Nato is expanding now from Australia, Newzealand,Japan,kOREA,Taipie ,singapore and India is on list for new member ship ,it's will be great Diaster for China and pakistan ,may be they make a new alliance to counter Usa advance to their back yards .
    I don't know if NATO would be brash enough to provoke China by offering membership to these countries.

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    what russia did when he find Nato in his back yard ,he attacked gerogia,now just see due to Nato presence in Australia and Singapore the defense spending of south east asia for next five years .hope fully i 'm working on this article ,soon you wil find the fact,if u try to invade some one backyard he will not sit like pakistan ,he will retaliate ,so china must think ,better we come on point and see the problem in coming days ,bcoz we are really trapped .

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    I WANT TO SHOW SOME FACT, USA missiles can reach Moscow within 4 mintues which is going to station in NATo countries in poland,NATO war planes skies of baltic sea since 2004 -could reach to russian 2nd biggest city St petersbureg in 5 mintues,
    now for China how NAto can 15 destroyers and three cruiser equipped with AEGIS combat system and has incoprated Norway,Spain,Australia,japan,south korea,and Tiapie,world wide sea based rapid deployed missiles shield structure .a new plan for war into space by Nato and USA.
    still you think NATO expansion has no worries to non Nato member pakitsan ,and world 2nd largest economy china ,i think we are living in ............

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    Well, when we are dealing with a devils, perhaps we can look in to shamanic, nature and religion war-fare with some hackers task-force and on spot undercover civilians with effective psychological and media warfare,
    ... just can hope we are not bringing really in biological weaponry, from infected bugs to mutating viruses making everything around you potentially something that can take you over... we would be like white naked city fellow in amazonian woods with pr-historic killers all around you...

    You know, if we combine all humans, animals, birds.. then about 20-30% of it is an ants, really intelligent beings, growing mushrooms, producing poisons, working together and is not afraid to die - but same time takes care of their dead ones, better then humans often..
    so talking about so called supernatural.. well.. when Super nature takes hes turn, and sends Jumping Jack, bullet ants kind.. and so many other kind of ants and bugs (actually we can produce in labs in these days, so they can fly around and attack specific dna carriers) - well... this kind of war will be so much more colorful then we can imagine, no boring missiles anymore.. well, lets take it just as philosophical note. One can actually see the history.. there have been some reports of some bugs making a lots of trouble in past - most of its not so well documented in general school history books, in here at least one can assume.

    There have been some extermination of shamans in Peru where they had been planning to form an association to share their knowledge but lets hope this is just a fluke not murders because someone knows, what is possible to do.. with some other tools.. once human beings go to much out of hands.. but tools are some what safe four our luck (perhaps) - as tools are only as useful as skilled is the user.

    Anyways, thought to bring up this old topic with some other insight, thoughts. and why not - even fantasy! As thanks to fantasy the bombs have not really flew after ww2 jet as planed perhaps, as minds on other side still calculating out what others might do, have.. but silly us, in the End - we fight with ourselves, weakening ourselves, going along with manipulations from bought sides... not asking what we will do when the real fight comes, with Us vs ?

    And hey.. when Abraham Code is activated, we have 3+ billion people working as one with in weeks, others fast fallowing... lets just keep our early messengers and philosophers thoughts around the globe in heart, mind clear, the most important messages on the top, shams and many others we have burned in past are here to help us to deal with devils one could not imagine with out danger of braking the mind, this bombs here... its child play in a way (but robust child play, must say), just seems big in Here, in our Small Mind, as our Languages are mixed up and living place seems so small as we can not see directly...

    ..hey, and there is people who talk something like that: /watch?v=mR2tVJ2SRk0]OVNI and /watch?v=RPgAGG3Ve5Q (research ones backround, books one has written.. and just listen the man, ...if you do not look forward for God, look forward to ˇThemˇ, as who else might they be, then someones we have read from long time about? We just need to re-translate our meanings in our head.. in heart... and hey, there is meaning for all of it, why he tels now what he tels, why we read and act on what we act, why we do not see from ANY mainstream news that in position man like that talks about things like that... (we do hear all other nut cases and silly things..) one here did not come to confuse your head with things we have not thought before... just talking about things we are tooth to have no thoughts about... if the tooters of us are so smart, why we still building more bombs, after 2000 years when we got the message that we are ones, as well? all.. we ask... just lets act as we are one Family

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    Quote Originally Posted by Developereo View Post
    I don't know if NATO would be brash enough to provoke China by offering membership to these countries.
    The don't need to; South Korea, Japan and Taiwan are already having bilateral strategic security pacts with US that equals NATO treaties. We are, of course the exception.


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