Karkare, Mumbai Attacks and missing links

[Jana]

Bulletproof jacket worn by former ATS chief Hemant Karkare during 26/11 missing
PTI 10 November 2009, 03:45pm IST

MUMBAI: The bulletproof jacket worn by ATS chief late Hemant Karkare during 26/11 terror attacks has gone missing, wife of the slain officer has
alleged, raising serious questions on the manner in which evidentially important material were preserved.

"When his body was found, the bulletproof jacket was missing...even at the hospital...I filed RTI application few months back asking where is the jacket but the reply I got was that it is missing..," Kavita Karkare told PTI in an interview.

Karkare, a 1982 batch IPS officer, was killed in an ambush near Cama Hospital, along with another IPS officer Ashok Kamte and encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar during the November 26 terror attacks last year.

Despite wearing bullet-proof jackets, the officer received three fatal bullet-injuries in chest which raised question mark over the efficacy of these jackets in the wake of such terror attacks.

"TV channel recording clearly shows Hemant wearing a jacket at CST and leaving in the van...so where did the jacket go...I do not know if someone took it from him after that or it was removed from his body later, but it is missing...," she said.

Karkare also raised questions over the manner in which the terror strikes were handled by the Mumbai Police.

"I am surprised as to why there was no back-up sent for my husband and other officers in the van...Hemant had asked for back up and was waiting for 40 minutes but no one was sent...," she said.

She said her husband was not a person who would prefer to sit in air-conditioned cabins and give instructions to subordinates, instead he preferred to take situations head-on.

"He being a senior officer could have sat in an air-conditioned cabin giving instructions to his subordinates, but he always liked to be on field...," an emotional Karkare said.

"If a back-up had been sent as soon as Hemant had asked for it, then Kasab and the other terrorist could have been nabbed at Cama lane itself...," she said.

Karkare had been credited for solving the serial bomb blasts in Thane, Vashi and Panvel. His investigations also brought forth stunning revelations of involvement of radical saffron group in the September 29 Malegaon blast.

Bulletproof jacket worn by former ATS chief Hemant Karkare during 26/11 missing - India - The Times of India

[skeptic9]

Try making a comment on that TOI article hinting a conspiracy, ur post will never be approved. I experienced it multiple times in a row.

I feel it would be dishonest not to mention that once I also saw a comment on TOI on something relating to Mumbai being an inside job, one guy clearly a Pakistani, wrote a huge comment mostly the Pakistani version of the event and his comment was approved!!! . He used words like "hindu-zionist", "inside job" etc on multiple occasions, yet he was approved, idk why.

[Jana]

Originally Posted by skeptic9

Try making a comment on that TOI article hinting a conspiracy, ur post will never be approved. I experienced it multiple times in a row.

There are different types of stuff in a newspaper.

An article is an opinion by a writer which could be anti-India, anti-Pakistan or anti-pro-anything so there is a room for calling it a lie, BS propaganda, conspiracy anything could be think of it.


Then there is a news actual news for example of blast or any attack. That is reported as it is.


Then there are statments by people your PM my PM or anyone which are published either as it is or mouled. But when its in the quotation then means you are quoting the person as it is as what he/she said so you are responsible as a journalist or media org to take the responsibility.

Now this is what Karkare's wife said and ToI published.


If Indian Govt think she lies then the govt would rebute it as well as come up with proofs that bullet-proof jacket is not missing.

[Jana]

Originally Posted by skeptic9

Try making a comment on that TOI article hinting a conspiracy, ur post will never be approved. I experienced it multiple times in a row.

I feel it would be dishonest not to mention that once I also saw a comment on TOI on something relating to Mumbai being an inside job, one guy clearly a Pakistani, wrote a huge comment mostly the Pakistani version of the event and his comment was approved!!! . He used words like "hindu-zionist", "inside job" etc on multiple occasions, yet he was approved, idk why.

none of my comments ever approved there even fair and balanced ones anyway thats another issue.


what you think of this statement by wife of Karkare

[skeptic9]

Originally Posted by Jana

none of my comments ever approved there even fair and balanced ones anyway thats another issue.


what you think of this statement by wife of Karkare

There was clearly a cover-up, and that should be visible to everybody.

And based on circumstantial evidence It appears to me he may have been targeted from inside.

[indianrabbit]

Bullet proof jacket can go missing since there is an enquiry on it's quality. About bacup not coming in 40 min is common delay. There is conspirecy as blast conspirators are still behind bars.

[RiazHaq]

SM Mushrif, the author of "Who Killed Karkare?" and former police chief of Maharashtra state, has raised some very serious questions about the role of the Indian intelligence in the increasing violence committed by Hindutva outfits against India's minorities, and how India's Intelligence Bureau diverts attention from it by falsely accusing Indian Muslims and Pakistan's ISI, as was done in Malegaon and Samjutha Express blasts.

Haq's Musings: Terror in India--Who Killed Karkare?

[vnomad]

Originally Posted by Jana

If Indian Govt think she lies then the govt would rebute it as well as come up with proofs that bullet-proof jacket is not missing.

Its probably missing, question is so what? You can't expect the Mumbai police/civil administration to be as efficient as London's. In the carnage and confusion, one of the bulletproof jackets was misplaced or lost, and that's understandable.

Here's a possible scenario. It may have happened at the hospital where he as well as the others were rushed. Before declaring him dead on arrival, the doctors might have taken it off him(and the others). Also, other victims from the hotels or railway station would have been in need of urgent care. In the rush and confusion, its possible the need to bag and store the jackets was forgotten or not done efficiently and Karkare's jacket went missing.

Here's another. His jacket was recovered, cleaned, and restored to the general armory but due to administrative problems can't be recognizing(repainted serial number maybe). Alternatively, it was condemned due to its condition and was disposed off.

Maybe, its not with the Mumbai police, but with rest of the hundreds of bits of evidence collected and in the custody of the CBI, or state CID, or Mumbai court trying Kasab, or whoever supposed to have it.

Here's a fourth and very plausible possibility. The bloodstained jacket vest was rejected by the service (being unusable and not very hard to replace). The ballistic plates were removed and placed into another jacket vest. Hard to trace now, especially if its in the field.

Point is that a dozen things could have led to it being missing or untraceable. That doesn't imply a conspiracy. And lets face it, even if it was found, what big revelation can be expected from it. Its not a vital piece of evidence.

[Jana]

Karkare's wife slams state govt for not providing backup during 26/11


MUMBAI: Kavita Karkare, the wife of former Maharashtra Anti Terror Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare on Wednesday questioned the state government on


why her husband and two other senior officials who were killed on 26/11, did not get reinforcements on time. ( Watch Video )

This is for the first time that the slain officer's family has confirmed that he did not get the back up when it was required.

Karkare, along with Additional Commissioner of Police (ACP) Ashok Kamte and Inspector Vijay Salaskar were killed by terrorists near Cama Hospital in Chatrapati Shivaji Terminus during the Mumbai siege.

Speaking to the media, Kavita said: "I just didn't know anything in the initial six months, politicians, media people and other people were coming to my place, but I was not aware what exactly was going around. Nobody has ever told me that what exactly happened that day. No senior officers have told me till date what had happened with my husband. I have just gathered information from media people, or read in magazines and newspapers, till date I don't know the exact facts of that day."

"But when politicians started raising questions saying that he acted in very hasty manner and went for the operation blindly then we started gathering facts about the incident. Then, we came to know that Kamte, Karkare, Salaskar were planning strategy in Cama hospital for 40 minutes. They had asked for help, but they couldn't get help in those 40 minutes. Why they could not get help in 40 minutes, nobody is giving me that answer," she added. Kavita revealed that she was told by some police officials that it would not be possible for her to get to know what exactly happened with her husband during the terror attacks.

She also alleged that Hemant Karkare was left injured and unattended for over 40 minutes and not taken to the hospital on time.

"My question is that when these people were there in Cama Lane for 40 minutes, why were they not given any help? And, when there bodies were lying, why the bodies of those people were not picked for about 40 minutes," Kavita questioned.

"Today, they are spending millions of rupees to preserve the bodies of the nine militants who launched the attack, just because at international level we have to show that we are showing humanity. But the bodies of martyrs were lying there as it is. What is happening in our country? And when will there be a change," she added.

Earlier last week, Kavita also alleged that her husband's bulletproof jacket has gone missing.

She said when his body was found, the bulletproof jacket was missing and the Right to Information (RTI) application had not yielded any information on its whereabouts.
"And, after six months it struck me that his jacket is missing. But I was not in my senses to file RTI application. Now two months back when I filed RTI, I came to know that the jacket is actually missing," Kavita said.

Karkare's wife slams state govt for not providing backup during 26/11 - India - The Times of India

[ambidex]

The state of Indian police is like typical of any third world nation police. Karkare was killed by terrorists this is the only truth nothing else.
It is an unfortunate fact that brave soldiers like karkare are still giving their precious lives and embracing martyrdom for motherland. These lives were supposed to be saved at times when a war was raised on the crowded streets of Mumbai. The chaos which created dysfunction and poor coordination was unprovoked and never expected. The whole karkare episode is sorry state of Indian defence preparations, fraud and frustration.
Karkare's prior investigations has nothing to do with his personal misfortune and poor judgment to analyse gravity of that war against urban India.
BJP and other Hindu organizations were nor in power at state assembly neither national assembly. It was never a cup of tea for parties like BJP to conspire against Top Police official like Kerkare at such level.
166 precious human lives were cold bloodedly snatched. People were killed while eating food in restaurants. Kids were shot at middle of their eyes. Dead bodies were used as mine traps. No national party in power or out power would have even thought about such political suicide. period.

Pakistanis those who are trying their level best to raise suspicion in the minds of everyone by pasting such article; explaining nothing but sorry state of Indian police and judiciary. This is not going to help to feel them self off the hook. You are playing with fire and setting unjust precedent for your own people, given the fact your own contemporary state of national security is not better then India.
Please tell us some thing new.

[Jana]

We are not trying to raise any suspicion. Rather Indians should ask questions about death of Karkare. There is alot to which is still missing.


The Mumbai attacks are separate then killing of Karkare.

And oh it is not some small case where police or Indian set up lost the bullet proof jacket.

It simply shows that Karkare was killed according to the plan.

[ambidex]

Originally Posted by Jana

We are not trying to raise any suspicion. Rather Indians should ask questions about death of Karkare. There is alot to which is still missing.


The Mumbai attacks are separate then killing of Karkare.

And oh it is not some small case where police or Indian set up lost the bullet proof jacket.

It simply shows that Karkare was killed according to the plan.

Precisely,Your assertions can not be ruled out.
But what ever i have explained above is natural and self explanatory. This is how Indian corrupt police and law enforcement system works. A wealthier supplier and a corrupt politician who ordred/purchased those jackets and earned heaps of corrupt money is now trying to alter evidence. Being an outsiders we all can suggest scenarios, to me this theory is much acceptable. Why he was not provided prompt medical aid etc. as i mentioned are testimonies to Indian dysfunctionality, nothing else. We(Indians) are bigger but not better.
Furthermore if Karkare was the only target who was killed within first two hours of attack then there was no point for those who were involved to continue rest of the massacre.

[ambidex]

oh i missed your point mentioning both incidents as isolated/separate one.

Karkare was alerted about this attack and rest of the machinery was activated simultaneously. There is no record of two separate alerts on that day. Terrorists were in different groups with semiautomatic guns and many police parties were trying to intercept them. During those interceptions dozens of police personals were either killed or injured including Hemant Karkare.

[Jana]

If you were probing Mumbai attacks then missing of a vital gear worn by Karkare proves that You indians are playing foul here.

It proves two things


1. Either the bullet proof jacket was not a bullet proof jacket and Karkare was intentionaly provided something which was part of his killing.

2. If was indeed a real bullet-proof jacket then why you need to hide it ?

3. If it is missing then it shows the level of authenticity of Indian investigation.

All these things point towards a coverup which your Indian government is playing

[Nemesis]

Jana, Why this obsession with Hemant Karkare? He wasn't the only police office to be killed in the Mumbai attacks.

Is it your not so subtle way of hinting at a conspiracy behind Mumbai? There was no conspiracy.

Regrading the vests, according to an RTI filed by former police officers, defunct vests were brought by the Mumbai police. The story has all the hints of a scam. But not a conspiracy. No back up was provided to Karkare because the Mumbai police messed up in figuring out the scale of the attacks on the first day, many many mistakes were committed. In their defence however, there was a lot of conflicting info flying around during the first few hours.

SM Mushrif, the author of "Who Killed Karkare?" and former police chief of Maharashtra state, has raised some very serious questions about the role of the Indian intelligence in the increasing violence committed by Hindutva outfits against India's minorities, and how India's Intelligence Bureau diverts attention from it by falsely accusing Indian Muslims and Pakistan's ISI, as was done in Malegaon and Samjutha Express blasts.

Get it right, Samjautha express wasn't done by Hindu organizations, it was done by Lashkar. Read UN resolutions on this before posting ignorant info.

Apparently, some people think Karkare was killed because he ruffled too many feathers in the Hindu right establishment because of his investigations. If that were true, his investigations would have collapsed right after his death, it hasn't.

That traitor Purohit and other accused still face trial for the Malegaon bombings. Nor has anyone stopped investigating Hindu organizations as the recent find by the Goa police tells us.

There was no conspiracy during 26/11, anyone who believes that is delusional.