Unlike China, India has growth with values: PM Manmohan

[Foster]

Originally Posted by arihant

Brother why are you trying to justify. This post might not be visible to him as soon as CPC see it. Chinese are not given right to know their facts.

Yea absolutely right. Even they want to piss in the bathroom they have to take permission from there government.....there government shows only bright picture....

[arihant]

Originally Posted by Foster

Yea absolutely right. Even they want to piss in the bathroom they have to take permission from there government.....there government shows only bright picture....

Sorry he is right now in USA. He can see our post.

[fallstuff]

Sounds like a bunch of 15 yr olds on both side !!

[gpit]

Originally Posted by skeptic9

Any wild goat is free and well fed to its own capacity.

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Well phrased.

And Indians starved to death are surely being treated far worse than a free wild goat.

There is no freedom for those perished.

[gpit]

Originally Posted by deckingraj

You don't because you cannot....refer to post 9 you might get a clue about it...



So basically crap the voting system till you finish the hunger and malnutrition...What a genious thought...


And there is no corruption in China...and US as well right???



And what would be that credible way??? Follow what china is doing? You have some serious problems don't u??? Cant you even understand the context in which things are written??? Is that the way US tackled her problems???

Your way of solving the issue is just throw democracy out of the window....just look at the number of poor's that we had a decade back and what we have now....Having said it there is hell lot to be done...we have tried the democracy with socialist approach and reached on the verge of bankruptcy...then came this man whose thoughts you are rebuking and India came back on the path of progress...Now we are improving..Though we know that still lot has to be done yet democracy is the way to go...

In other words solve all the problems but stick to path of democracy...

really was that so hard to understand???

First and foremost, I want to vehemently condemn those who extol a system that allows innocent to starve to death in a world where foods are abundant, and condemn those who callously thank the extollers.

Yes there are hungers in US, but no one, at least not as many, in US dies of starvation. Yes there are corruptions in US, but there are not 30% congressmen are criminal or criminal suspects. If any politicians are known to be suspected of criminal here, mostly they will quit. Unlike incredible India where the criminals or criminal suspects can still be elected and can even compose incredible 30% of your incredible parliament.

I think your deep fault lies in the fact that you think India is US. How false is that!

Your voting system votes criminals for parliament member!

Your voting system creates a system that starves innocent people to death!

Your voting system generates a common people that are callous to those starved to death and praise the system that creates the death!

It is up to you whether you want to fix the system or praise the system that keeps your people dying.

Please allow me to remind you: you haven’t eased you starvation for long time, you haven’t reduced your illiteracy for long time, you haven’t taken care of your children for long time…

It is your system problem. it is not hard to understand.

Your interest groups use your system to manipulate your poor and illiterate mass to sustain the situation such that those in the groups can keep manipulating those poor and suffered, for profit.

Please have a touch of human conscience, and be a human being as you all appear to be.

Please have a pity for those who perished! Please!

[gpit]

Originally Posted by BaronVonKissAlot

So I think the logic is like this.

Indian goverment do ran tanks on people, but with good excuse, so Indians have more values than Chinese.

Did you check the fact where tiananmen square is? Do you know how long those people captured that square even after the goverment decleared curfue?

Where did I mention beggar? There are beggars in every country, unless you claim indian beggar is better off because they are begging in the democratic paradise.

No, GoI doesn't run tank over people. GoI uses more deadly means: ochlocratic democracy.

2,000,000 children are killed softly in your country every year.

40,000 pregnant women are murdered softly in a single state called UP in your country every year.

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In comparison, tanks+guns in Tiananman square killed about a few hundreds to a few thousands, but more likely in hundreds.

While killing in the Square is inhuman and condemnable, it is yet far paler than the killing by your incredible system, in terms of gruesome, inhuman and fatality.

[gpit]

Originally Posted by evolutionist

Who say there is no hunger in USA?
According to a report 34 million citizens including 14 million chilren go hungry in USA.
Here is the link
Hunger in USA rises by 43 percent over last five years

Please enlighten me the foolish where and how many people in US are starved to death.

I'll immediately call my congressman or otherwise call up media to expose that.

[gpit]

Originally Posted by tank

Pardon for my poor English

@gpit

Dont judge a country just by knowing it through online or through couple of friends.

India is close to achiving food security and just because we have food you simply cannot distribute the food freely. we are doing our best to tackle it by undertaking projects like Unique identification
every year India faces number of natural calamities due to which many become homeless who inturn migrate to cities and live homeless. We need strong houses which can withstand floods, earthquakes and rains. But beaurocrat and political cacoroaches eat away all the money.
Education is not only how to read and write in English. We are not able to generate jobs for the people who graduate in regional language
Indians enjoy freedom of express resonably good. Evey year our voting percentage is incresing.

India is still developing nation we have lot of problems and we are doing reasonably good. India's PCI is growing at good rate. Good amount of FDI is coming in. Mega Infrastructure projects are implementing. We are building our economy with green, thanks to Indo-US nuclear deal, 20000 MW Solar project, biofuel implemention. We are one of the soft powers...and so on...

I'm not good economist but Definately Eminent economist and our PM MMS knows what he talks.

First of all we dont run tanks on people and build the nation. we dont force our muslim brothers to grow swine farming which is also one of the reasons for recent unrest in China, we respect everybody values. We don't vacate people from their homes forcely to build stadiums. we dont run shadow companies and flood the markets with cheap goods...and so on....

atleast in our country 100 Rupee can buy a vote(not 10 Rs) but in US afro americans are still afride to go to polling booth, you know why.

It is incredible because we are so diverse in geographically, culturally, religion wise, lingually and but still we are electing one PM and we are never under any Military general.

I'm not saying we are the best but we are incredible. We have many problems and we are trying to solve them democratically.

Stop being an apologist, start facing the fact and acting to do something. That is the only way to show your value.

Show, if you can, that your hunger is reduced to less than that in China.
Show, if you can, that your illiteracy is reduced to less than that in China.
Show, if you can, that your children and pregnant women are taken care better than that in China.

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These are the things that have values.

Your big mouth has no values.

No! Absolutely not!

BTW, I care values more than mere voting. If a kind of voting can bring in values, I value it; otherwise i don't give it a Sh!t.

[XiNiX]

Originally Posted by gpit

No, GoI doesn't run tank over people. GoI uses more deadly means: ochlocratic democracy.

2,000,000 children are killed softly in your country every year.

40,000 pregnant women are murdered softly in a single state called UP in your country every year.

…

In comparison, tanks+guns in Tiananman square killed about a few hundreds to a few thousands, but more likely in hundreds.

While killing in the Square is inhuman and condemnable, it is yet far paler than the killing by your incredible system, in terms of gruesome, inhuman and fatality.

Its my humble request that u kindly give a credible source to ur extraordinary facts.

[arihant]

There is no stats for China to compare with India. China doesn't disclose facts of their economy as everything is censor. So no point in discusing or compare useless things which are not comparable.

[seiko]

Originally Posted by gpit

Stop being an apologist, start facing the fact and acting to do something. That is the only way to show your value.

Show, if you can, that your hunger is reduced to less than that in China.
Show, if you can, that your illiteracy is reduced to less than that in China.
Show, if you can, that your children and pregnant women are taken care better than that in China.

…

These are the things that have values.

Your big mouth has no values.

No! Absolutely not!

BTW, I care values more than mere voting. If a kind of voting can bring in values, I value it; otherwise i don't give it a Sh!t.

Gpit its not wise to compare India's growth to those of China..we both shared the same problem..China started economic reform a long time ago than India..And Chinese are now enjoying the benefits of it.. But you have to note that India is also developing ..We need time to rectify our problems

As Deckingraj pointed out we cut down the poverty from 36% to 25% ..And remember its continue to go downwards ..Is it the same path China also went before us??or do you think China did it overnight??

As for Manmohan Singh's comments try this way..In China its easy to start a business in a farm land or village because there will be no resistant from villagers and even if there are resistant they can be easily suppressed but that not in the case of India because of political parties count on every vote they need to mind the sentiments of every single voter...So for us voting brings us values

If you search through net you can see lots of incidents where people fight against taking over agriculture lands for industries by MNC's... tell me, this can be happen in China??

[AliFarooq]

Originally Posted by ssheppard

Thats all you could do........lost on Child Rights so........change the topic.


There you go on some facts about your own country...

There are 3 Million Prostitutes in China: PROSTITUTION IN CHINA - China | Facts and Details

Prostitution in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


But I guess In China Prostitutes are more trusted:

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China 'trusts prostitutes more'

So they may enjoy special benefits. How pathetic is that.



Something about Child Prostitutes in China.

Child Prostitution - China

lol prostitution is in ur back yard also so don't bother.

[gpit]

Originally Posted by XiNiX

Its my humble request that u kindly give a credible source to ur extraordinary facts.

Thank you for requesting the facts. Frankly, it is not just the shame of Indians, but is the shame of our human beings as whole. Every time, this type of news appears, it touches my heart, regardless whether it comes from China, or India, or Africa. I just want everyone of us can face the fact, not just simply gloss over it. And I believe it matters you more than me in these particular cases.

We must not loose our core value of human being. I don’t care how you operate your system, I don’t care how you are free or restricted, what I care only, based on my human conscience, is that, the basic human rights, the rights to survive, must be respected and realized. No apologies!

InfoChange India News & Features development news India - Why 40,000 pregnant women die in UP every year

Two million slum children die every year as India booms | World news | The Observer

Please refute to those reports if you find they are otherwise.

[deckingraj]

First and foremost, I want to vehemently condemn those who extol a system that allows innocent to starve to death in a world where foods are abundant, and condemn those who callously thank the extollers.nd

No one do that...No body is saying our system is great..In fact you will be surprised how much Indians criticize their system in place...However here we are talking about democracy and the value system that is dear to us...Now no one is saying that we have reached perfection...In fact i will say we are not even close to anything called perfection...Having said it here we are saying that we respect China's economic growth but for us GDP at the cost of value system is a big "NO"...We need to improve our system and GDP but as per the model of democracy...

Let me explain you in your language...

Democracy as per our constitution is our aim...The current system is based on it but is flawed and that's what we need to address(which we are)....
Now may i ask what as per you is the solution to india's problems???

Yes there are hungers in US, but no one, at least not as many, in US dies of starvation. Yes there are corruptions in US, but there are not 30% congressmen are criminal or criminal suspects. If any politicians are known to be suspected of criminal here, mostly they will quit. Unlike incredible India where the criminals or criminal suspects can still be elected and can even compose incredible 30% of your incredible parliament.

and your point here? Do you know the difference in GDP of India and US..Do you know the difference in per capita income between Indian and a US citizen??? Still you have those problems ...What does that indicate??? All systems have problems...some have less some have more...

I think your deep fault lies in the fact that you think India is US. How false is that!

Who said that??? I hope you are replying to my message since you have quoted mine...

Your voting system votes criminals for parliament member!

How come??? How come our voting system allows criminal to reach parliament??? How come scrapping that voting system will prevent criminal to reach parliament??? If you have suggestions of how to improve system then share it...Why all this rant??

Your voting system creates a system that starves innocent people to death!

Man ...what is wrong with you??? So basically its the democracy that starves people to death or the corruption that do not let those benefits reach the poor??? Having said it once a country is on economic growth things will fall back in place...Yes there are lot of problems in India but these figures are not rising even though population is..what does that indicate???...they have decreased as compared to last decade...and will decrease more in the coming decade....

Your voting system generates a common people that are callous to those starved to death and praise the system that creates the death!

You have lost it mate...I feel bad for you....

It is up to you whether you want to fix the system or praise the system that keeps your people dying.

If it up to us then why the heck bother to keep shouting the same things again and again...Give your suggestions and move on....but so far you have no suggestion...only rant....

Please allow me to remind you: you haven’t eased you starvation for long time, you haven’t reduced your illiteracy for long time, you haven’t taken care of your children for long time…

Care to elaborate more on this...What do you mean???

It is your system problem. it is not hard to understand.

Who is saying it is not??? We are a democracy of just 62 years and we are learning....However its not the concept but the implementation...what your post suggest that our constitution is nothing but mere paper and we should throw it out...

Your interest groups use your system to manipulate your poor and illiterate mass to sustain the situation such that those in the groups can keep manipulating those poor and suffered, for profit.

Ohh really??? Do you know that India started finding the fruits of economic progress as early as 1999-2000...Suddenly the govt. of that time gave a slogan "India Shining"....You know what happened...they were shown the door...Electoral process in India has matured and is maturing...People now are questioning what the heck they are doing for me...Have you heard the policy called NREGA...this is one of the many the GOI has adopted to eradicate hunger and poverty...Do you even have an idea of how grave this problem is??? and you are expecting it should be solved in a day...May i ask how long your lovely China took to eradicate poverty(though they still have to)???.

Please have a touch of human conscience, and be a human being as you all appear to be.

Please have a pity for those who perished! Please!

Why don't you keep your conscience to you....We have our conscience and no one is defending pathetic level of poverty that we have...However what we are appreciating is that due to economic progress this huge number is decreasing...Same was true for China a decade back.....They have changed those level...so will we...and will complement that by freedom of expression and all the freedoms that democracy gives us...

[skylance]

big mouth indian,even a PM.

even a chinese housewife would feel unpolite to speak shortcomings of india in public.