STUPID IDEA

[dabong1]

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Pakistan is about to undertake another doomed adventure of sending back two million Afghan refugees, most of whom have been born here. In history, nations resist deportation at the risk of slaughter, which is what the government has announced it will do. It has prepared a “strong action plan� to close the Jallozai and Kacha Garhi camps in the NWFP. Police pickets will stop the refugees from fleeing till all of them are sent across the Durand Line where the world knows there is nothing to sustain them.

According to reports, over 80 percent of the Afghans don’t want to go home. We should therefore be in no doubt about the problems that will be faced by those who will try to send the Afghans home in the coming months. The ghost of General Zia-ul Haq, who welcomed the refugees saying they were “our brothers� and could become Pakistanis, should be invoked and shown what Pakistan did after he was gone. We could not give Pakistani nationality to 3 million Afghans because we had no way of even feeding them and the UN would look after them only if they remained refugees. Now we are saying we will close all the businesses the refugees have started up and send them packing. The “strong Action Plan� is doomed to failure. *

[Awesome]

They really aren't documented, and hence not accountable for even some pretty big things. What life do they have in Pakistan? Live their life in camps? Their children... In camps?

As you said we can't give them residency. Then are they doomed for camp life and the generations to come? When do we put the foot down?

[Cheetah786]

Pakistan is about to undertake another doomed adventure of sending back two million Afghan refugees, most of whom have been born here. In history, nations resist deportation at the risk of slaughter, which is what the government has announced it will do. It has prepared a “strong action plan� to close the Jallozai and Kacha Garhi camps in the NWFP. Police pickets will stop the refugees from fleeing till all of them are sent across the Durand Line where the world knows there is nothing to sustain them.

According to reports, over 80 percent of the Afghans don’t want to go home. We should therefore be in no doubt about the problems that will be faced by those who will try to send the Afghans home in the coming months. The ghost of General Zia-ul Haq, who welcomed the refugees saying they were “our brothers� and could become Pakistanis, should be invoked and shown what Pakistan did after he was gone. We could not give Pakistani nationality to 3 million Afghans because we had no way of even feeding them and the UN would look after them only if they remained refugees. Now we are saying we will close all the businesses the refugees have started up and send them packing. The “strong Action Plan� is doomed to failure. *

So u think we should keep them in Pakistan.
OK make your case on what bases what have they done for Pakistan since we have given them shelter.i will have over million examples that why they should be send home.

[Awesome]

Lol Afghanis openly hate on Pakistanis, btw. They blame us for the state Afghanistan is in. It's not just because of Taliban, they've been attacking long before that. I think PAF has some kills against Afghan air force as well. What do you think that's all about?

Gotta do it once. Like a band-aid.

[MirBadshah]

If 3 million Afghans do not want to go back to Afghanistan then what is point of having Afghan state, would not it be more batter to join rest Afghan population in to Pakistan and make a bigger state where they can live anywhere they like.

[dabong1]

They really aren't documented, and hence not accountable for even some pretty big things. What life do they have in Pakistan? Live their life in camps? Their children... In camps?

As you said we can't give them residency. Then are they doomed for camp life and the generations to come? When do we put the foot down?

Why do we not start by giving all the afghan refugee's born in pakistan the new ID card.At the end of 6 months to a year which ever afghan has not got the new ID card be sent back.I think that solves the problem of undocumented afghans and expands our tax base at the same time.
I think you know that the afghans run a lot of business in pakistan that is undocumented this also will we be taxed.

[dabong1]

If 3 million Afghans do not want to go back to Afghanistan then what is point of having Afghan state, would not it be more batter to join rest Afghan population in to Pakistan and make a bigger state where they can live anywhere they like.

Great idea!

[dabong1]

So u think we should keep them in Pakistan.
OK make your case on what bases what have they done for Pakistan since we have given them shelter..

There are plenty of things the afghans have done for pakistan ,like stopping the commies from invading.
A few million died afghanis died but it saved us.
The refugees own a lot of business in pakistan that if we gave them ID cards we could tax.
They have bought the price of common goods in the market place down the level that the average man can afford it.
Every buliding/road in my town in pakistan AJK was or is being built by afghan/pathaan labour.
I could go on but you get my drift.

[Awesome]

Why do we not start by giving all the afghan refugee's born in pakistan the new ID card.At the end of 6 months to a year which ever afghan has not got the new ID card be sent back.I think that solves the problem of undocumented afghans and expands our tax base at the same time.
I think you know that the afghans run a lot of business in pakistan that is undocumented this also will we be taxed.

And where would they settle? Sindh was freakin pissed when most of the Mohajirs took up their jobs, homes and businesses. Afghans would probably settle in NWFP and Balochistan.

Imagine the influx of refugees when we open such a jackpot scheme. Also remember there are many kinds of Afghans coming in, not just Pashtuns. Pashtuns wouldn't generally have any issues with our Pathans but the Hazaras? The Hazaras harbor an unsaid goal to dominate over the Pashtuns. That same ethnic issue they have with the Pashtuns in Afghanistan would be extended here.

The reasons Afghans are being driven away is not because we don't like their face or something. They have really abused their stay in Pakistan. They have a high crime rateI know so many Afghanis (Hazaras) in Dubai who hold a Pakistani passport and openly hate on Pakistan. They are with India in everything.

[Neo]

If 3 million Afghans do not want to go back to Afghanistan then what is point of having Afghan state, would not it be more batter to join rest Afghan population in to Pakistan and make a bigger state where they can live anywhere they like.

No man, believe me we don't want Afghanistan to join us! They have huge, I mean really huge social and ethnical issues, it will only destabalise us.

I'm a hardliner when it comes to Afghanis in Pakistan. Like Asim said they openly hate Pakistan so why would they want to live in a country they hate so much?
Let them, or better make them go back to where they came from or find a new heaven with their allies.

For sure USA or India with respectively $14 trillion and $1 trillion economy can take the weight.

[Neo]

Sunday, May 06, 2007

Government considers use of force to close refugee camps

PESHAWAR: A high-level meeting discussed the possibility of economic sanctions and use of force against Afghan refugees refusing to vacate the Kacha Garhi and Jalozai camps, sources said on Saturday.

Pakistan has decided to close four refugee camps - two each in Balochistan and NWFP – and has asked refugees to go back to Afghanistan voluntarily or relocate in other camps in Pakistan. Kabul and the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees have approved of the plan.

“The action plan prepared by the Commissionerate for Afghan Refugees has been approved and the plan will be undertaken when the required force is made available to the Frontier government,� said officials wishing not to be named.

During a meeting last February, the Frontier government endorsed Islamabad’s decision to close two camps in the province but Chief Minister Akram Durrani sought a special fund of Rs 140 million along with deployment of Frontier Constabulary and Frontier Corps to facilitate the closure of the camps and repatriation of the refugees.

Under the plan, the Kacha Garhi camp will be closed first and followed by the Jalozai camp in Nowshera district. Kacha Garhi houses around 60,000 refugees and Jalozai more than 100,000, and the NWFP government expects tough resistance from the refugees.

“Security is the prime concern and we will need a huge contingent of security personnel if refugees do not vacate the camps voluntarily. And that is why the plan will be only implemented when sufficient security personnel are made available,� the sources said.

According to UNHCR statistics, over three million refugees have voluntarily returned to Afghanistan under the UNHCR-assisted programme since early 2002. Since March 1 this year, 115,000 have left Pakistan for Afghanistan, out of which just 5,000 were registered.

The plan also includes economic sanctions against Kacha Garhi inmates if they refuse to leave. The sanctions include closure of all businesses of refugees outside the camp. “To restrict movement [of refugees from Kacha Garhi] towards urban areas, posts will be established by police at entry and exit points,� the action plan reads.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...-5-2007_pg7_16

[Shehz]

When the US or Dubai, Saudi Arabia, UK, or even Qatar talks about deporting Indians/Pakistani's, how do you feel?

Honestly, we need to fill NWFP and Balauchistan with skilled labour and entrepreneurs. We need to collect tax there to make the provinces grow.

I think, all, even Kashmiris (Indian) and stranded Biharis should be given this one time option, like Canada, same principles, to apply for immigration, but limited to the 2 provinces.

No, no racism, but rather controlling population growth and unemployment.
For 3 years, untill they are naturalized, they have to contribute to one of those provinces.
After 3-4 years, once they become Pakistani's, they may relocate to any province of their choice, but untill then, they will pay taxes to those provinces, and give employment and start small busineses there.

[Neo]

When the US or Dubai, Saudi Arabia, UK, or even Qatar talks about deporting Indians/Pakistani's, how do you feel?

If they're deporting the illegals I have no problems with that, but you're comparing apples with oranges here.
Pakistani people nor Pakistani Government has anything against the countries you mentioned, Pak diaspora is not openly hostile towards these governments.
can't say that about the illegal Afghanis in our country.

[Shehz]

Neo, I know that, that's why I said a one time option.

Same what US does from time to time (with illegal aliens).
However, I suggested on the theme of the Canadanian immigration process, simple and easy, yet effective.

Do you see what I'm saying now?

[Awesome]

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Every person naturalizing as a citizen should show some sort of benefit to the country.

Fortunately this is a sane enough world where being a potential militant is not going to help them with their residency.

They can go back and re-enter with a business visa if they are businessmen. Businessmen should automatically get a residency status at least. Perhaps they can marry a Pakistani man or woman. Or go back and get a legit job and go through a tedious process of getting a residency over time. Some sort of contribution to Pakistan has to be there.