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    Default Submitting To Sense:Muslims must give up parochialism, stop obsessing with the past



    The last 100 years have been tortuous for the Muslim world. The 20th century began with Britain and France splitting and grabbing Egypt and Morocco respectively, with the consent of the then US president. Incidentally, both these African states were independent at that time. World War I was more painful. With Turkey having lost, the vast Ottoman empire was carved up, mostly between France and Britain. Once again, the US president consented to the imperial push that finally resulted in the Palestine headache we face today. The Muslim world was traumatised, as one disaster followed another, right to the tragedy of Iraq. Muslim rulers, with rare exceptions, became pawns in the larger chessboard of world politics. The one gift from nature—crude oil—became a curse as Western powers sought to control this precious resource.

    This frustration ultimately led to Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The Muslim world could have chosen another path, that taken by the India of Gandhi and Tagore. Sadly, there was no such towering figure among Muslims. The closest was Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who tragically lost himself in a power chase and ended up complicating the situation by creating a theological state that passed into the hands of mullahs, the army and Americans within years of his death. The only other big leader, Kemal Ataturk, refused to take on the role of Muslim leadership.

    The problem was worsened by the absence of education, in particular, science education. The only science Nobel laureate from their fold, Abdus Salam, was an Ahmadi, and thus declared a non-Muslim. As leadership passed into the hands of the ulema, the focus shifted more drastically away from modernity. The ulema also brought their frightening theological infighting to the forefront of the Muslim world.

    This was seen most frighteningly in the killing of about 100 Ahmadis in a Lahore mosque last month. Ahmadis are followers of Gulam Ahmed Mirza of Qadian, a religious reformer of the 19th century. He believed in Prophet Mohammed, but denied that He was the last prophet. All Muslims, including this author, believe that Mohammed was the last prophet. That belief is crucial to the purity of Islam. Yet, Ahmadis stood by their faith, and in a sense broke off from the larger Muslim world. It is to their credit that most Ahmadis are highly educated, non-violent and prosperous. Sadly, they have also been the target of religious persecution. The last attack in Lahore was not condemned by any religious party, either in Pakistan or India. I consider this a low point in the modern history of Muslims. I can only quote the Quran (42,15):

    Lord and your Lord,
    Unto us is the responsibility of our deeds,
    Unto you is the responsibility of your deeds;
    There is no argument between us and you,
    Allah will bring us together.
    Unto Him is the journeying.


    Religious leaders must understand that there are sizable non-Muslim Allah is our populations living in Muslim countries. They too have human rights, just as Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have human rights. It is just and fair to speak out about the atrocities against the people of Gaza. But they must also speak out against the killings of Ahmadis. Their silence, even approval, destroys their credibility. The net loss will be of minorities everywhere. The pain and trauma suffered by innocents is stark and ugly, if they happen to be on the wrong side of a religious, caste, colour or language divide. This was understood by Prophet Mohammed when he pardoned all those who spent years trying to kill him. Similarly, Gandhiji foresaw the horrible after-effects partition would have. No wonder he spent Independence Day, 1947, fasting to bring about peace in Calcutta, and later, in his late seventies, walked barefoot through the killing fields of Noakhali and Bihar.

    Muslim ulema must rise above their narrow parochial approach to life and religion. If it is okay to kill an Ahmadi today, tomorrow it will be okay to kill a Shia in Pakistan or a Sunni in Iran. Where will it all end? After all Allah calls Himself thus: “Rabbul Aalameen, the Lord of the Universe.” He is not Rabbul Muslimeen, Lord of Muslims alone.

    Finally, Muslims must lower their obsession with the past. We can be good Muslims without going into a frenzy about who should have succeeded to the Khilafat after the Prophet. Karbala was a tragedy that has sheared the Muslim world for the last 1,300 years. Can’t we come out of this trauma and view Karbala as the heroic act of Prophet Mohammed’s grandson in not bowing before an underserved ruler. He could have easily submitted, and protected himself and his family. Yet, he refused on a moral point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueoval79 View Post
    The last 100 years have been tortuous for the Muslim world. The 20th century began with Britain and France splitting and grabbing Egypt and Morocco respectively, with the consent of the then US president. Incidentally, both these African states were independent at that time. World War I was more painful. With Turkey having lost, the vast Ottoman empire was carved up, mostly between France and Britain. Once again, the US president consented to the imperial push that finally resulted in the Palestine headache we face today. The Muslim world was traumatised, as one disaster followed another, right to the tragedy of Iraq. Muslim rulers, with rare exceptions, became pawns in the larger chessboard of world politics. The one gift from nature—crude oil—became a curse as Western powers sought to control this precious resource.

    This frustration ultimately led to Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban. The Muslim world could have chosen another path, that taken by the India of Gandhi and Tagore. Sadly, there was no such towering figure among Muslims. The closest was Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who tragically lost himself in a power chase and ended up complicating the situation by creating a theological state that passed into the hands of mullahs, the army and Americans within years of his death. The only other big leader, Kemal Ataturk, refused to take on the role of Muslim leadership.

    The problem was worsened by the absence of education, in particular, science education. The only science Nobel laureate from their fold, Abdus Salam, was an Ahmadi, and thus declared a non-Muslim. As leadership passed into the hands of the ulema, the focus shifted more drastically away from modernity. The ulema also brought their frightening theological infighting to the forefront of the Muslim world.

    This was seen most frighteningly in the killing of about 100 Ahmadis in a Lahore mosque last month. Ahmadis are followers of Gulam Ahmed Mirza of Qadian, a religious reformer of the 19th century. He believed in Prophet Mohammed, but denied that He was the last prophet. All Muslims, including this author, believe that Mohammed was the last prophet. That belief is crucial to the purity of Islam. Yet, Ahmadis stood by their faith, and in a sense broke off from the larger Muslim world. It is to their credit that most Ahmadis are highly educated, non-violent and prosperous. Sadly, they have also been the target of religious persecution. The last attack in Lahore was not condemned by any religious party, either in Pakistan or India. I consider this a low point in the modern history of Muslims. I can only quote the Quran (42,15):

    Lord and your Lord,
    Unto us is the responsibility of our deeds,
    Unto you is the responsibility of your deeds;
    There is no argument between us and you,
    Allah will bring us together.
    Unto Him is the journeying.


    Religious leaders must understand that there are sizable non-Muslim Allah is our populations living in Muslim countries. They too have human rights, just as Muslims living in non-Muslim countries have human rights. It is just and fair to speak out about the atrocities against the people of Gaza. But they must also speak out against the killings of Ahmadis. Their silence, even approval, destroys their credibility. The net loss will be of minorities everywhere. The pain and trauma suffered by innocents is stark and ugly, if they happen to be on the wrong side of a religious, caste, colour or language divide. This was understood by Prophet Mohammed when he pardoned all those who spent years trying to kill him. Similarly, Gandhiji foresaw the horrible after-effects partition would have. No wonder he spent Independence Day, 1947, fasting to bring about peace in Calcutta, and later, in his late seventies, walked barefoot through the killing fields of Noakhali and Bihar.

    Muslim ulema must rise above their narrow parochial approach to life and religion. If it is okay to kill an Ahmadi today, tomorrow it will be okay to kill a Shia in Pakistan or a Sunni in Iran. Where will it all end? After all Allah calls Himself thus: “Rabbul Aalameen, the Lord of the Universe.” He is not Rabbul Muslimeen, Lord of Muslims alone.

    Finally, Muslims must lower their obsession with the past. We can be good Muslims without going into a frenzy about who should have succeeded to the Khilafat after the Prophet. Karbala was a tragedy that has sheared the Muslim world for the last 1,300 years. Can’t we come out of this trauma and view Karbala as the heroic act of Prophet Mohammed’s grandson in not bowing before an underserved ruler. He could have easily submitted, and protected himself and his family. Yet, he refused on a moral point.

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    Absolutly without substance. Article like this one generalizing a population is not the first in kind. But they rank very high on the following:

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    ^^^^

    Go to the link and scroll down to the comments ...that will give you an idea...what sensible people think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueoval79 View Post
    ^^^^

    Go to the link and scroll down to the comments ...that will give you an idea...what sensible people think.
    you mean what nonsensible people think.

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    ^^^^

    Cheap-shots ehh....do you have anything that can rebuke the statements and comments made by the author of the article.

    If no ....don't waste bandwidth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueoval79 View Post

    Finally, Muslims must lower their obsession with the past.

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    But it is alright for the Jews to sing the blues forever about what happened during the Second World War; it is alright for the Bengalis to spread the hatred against Pakistan for what happened in 1971 ! Hypocrites like you are amazing!
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    Blueoval, you cannot save a deer when it is already looking into headlights. Its too late, bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfx View Post
    Blueoval, you cannot save a deer when it is already looking into headlights. Its too late, bro.
    And it is pointless trying to persuade a wicked wolf not to attack a flock of sheep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Rex View Post
    But it is alright for the Jews to sing the blues forever about what happened during the Second World War;


    Irrelevant to this article....Its Muslim world that is more worried about Jews than the jews themselves.....they are doing their thing......and all Muslim World can do is fret and jump up and down.....



    it is alright for the Bengalis to spread the hatred against Pakistan for what happened in 1971 ! Hypocrites like you are amazing!
    Irrelevant again...but you are a Bengali....so its your problem....if you hate or Love Pakistan...

    But I doubt that you are A Pakistani Hiding behind Bangladesh Flag

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    And it is pointless trying to persuade a wicked wolf not to attack a flock of sheep!
    Yes! The wolf in case of Pakistan is their own leadership and the United States of America. Pakistan has lost a decade of economic growth and is in a state of civil war because of the war on terror and their leaders' foreign policy to utilize terrorism as a form of cheap proxy war. They are suffering from the consequences of their own policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falconfx View Post
    Yes! The wolf in case of Pakistan is their own leadership and the United States of America. Pakistan has lost a decade of economic growth and is in a state of civil war because of the war on terror and their leaders' foreign policy to utilize terrorism as a form of cheap proxy war. They are suffering from the consequences of their own policies.
    this your policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S_O_C_O_M View Post
    this your policy.

    "Musharraf knows". How many terrorists have you seen in Pakistan before the attack on taliban? Raw was quiet for 40 years then suddenly they started supporting taliban.

    Like the Pakistani establishment says, show me proof!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueoval79 View Post
    ^^^^

    Go to the link and scroll down to the comments ...that will give you an idea...what sensible people think.
    Thousands of Sikhs were slaughtered by Hindus in India. Now I take that shame and slap it over other Hindus who are peace loving law abiding folks, you would find that nonsensical.

    Not a single Hindu was ever prosecuted by the Hindu majority Govt. Do you smell something fishy here ? Wonder if the author of that article is not aware of the plight of the Sikhs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallstuff View Post
    Thousands of Sikhs were slaughtered by Hindus in India. Now I take that shame and slap it over other Hindus who are peace loving law abiding folks, you would find that nonsensical.

    Not a single Hindu was ever prosecuted by the Hindu majority Govt. Do you smell something fishy here ? Wonder if the author of that article is not aware of the plight of the Sikhs.
    How many hindus were lynched in Bangladesh and what was done about it? What happened to 100's of temples that were destroyed in Bangladesh? Its easy to point fingers. The cruz of the matter is Sikhs, Muslims, Christians and every minority religion feel a lot safer in India than in Pakistan or Bangladesh which is quite evident from the growth of minority religion in India and the shrinking of Hinduism in Pakistan and bangladesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueoval79 View Post


    Irrelevant again...but you are a Bengali....so its your problem....if you hate or Love Pakistan...

    But I doubt that you are A Pakistani Hiding behind Bangladesh Flag
    I get it. He must hate Pakistani while love Bharati to become true Bangladeshi? Get the **** out of here...

    Bharati can not digest the fact that Bangladeshi perceive Pakistani as brother while Bharati as just Bharati.
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