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In spite of recent poverty declines with its rapid economic expansion, India still has higher poverty rates than Pakistan, according to a 2011 World Bank report titled "Perspectives on poverty in India : stylized facts from survey data" released in 2011.

Overall, the latest World Bank data shows that India's poverty rate of 27.5% is more than 10 percentage points higher than Pakistan's 17.2%. Assam, Punjab and Himachal Pradesh are the only three Indian states with lower poverty rates than Pakistan's.

Although consumption poverty has steadily declined in India, the number of people who actually consume calories above the minimum level associated with the poverty line—2,400 and 2,100 kilocalories per day in rural and urban areas, respectively—has not risen. As of 2004–05, as many as 80 percent of rural households were estimated to be “calorie poor.”

India’s middle-class lives barely or not far above India’s poverty line, and below international poverty lines, especially in rural areas.

Large differences in poverty levels persist across India’s states and indeed are growing in urban areas. The rural areas of India’s poorest states have poverty rates that are the highest in the developing world. In contrast, urban areas of Punjab and Himachal Pradesh have poverty rates that are similar to those found in countries such as Turkey or the richer Latin American countries.

The World Bank findings are consistent with the 2008 India State Hunger Index study by Purnima Menon, Anil Deolalikar, Anjor Bhaskar. It showed that Assam and Punjab have much less hunger than the rest of India. Madhya Pradesh has the most severe level of hunger in India, comparable to Chad and Ethiopia. Gujarat, 13th on the Indian list is below Haiti, ranked 69 on the World Hunger Index.

The World Bank report discusses various causes of poverty in India, particularly discrimination against certain castes and tribes who make up most of the poor. It describes exclusion based on caste (SC or scheduled caste) and tribes (ST or scheduled tribes) and describes it as follows:

The Hindu hierarchy is said to have evolved from different parts of the body of Brahma—the creator of the universe. Thus, the Brahmans, who originated from the mouth, undertake the most prestigious priestly and teaching occupations. The Kshatriyas (from the arms) are the rulers and warriors; the Vaishyas (from the thighs) are traders and merchants. The Shudras, from the feet, are manual workers and servants of other castes. Below the Shudras and outside the caste system, lowest in the order, the untouchables engage in the most demeaning and stigmatized occupations (scavenging, for instance, and dealing with bodily waste).

Similarly, the scheduled tribes are also referred to as the Adivasis. .... we use the terms SC and ST, as these are standard administrative and survey categories. In
the text we use the terms Dalits and Adivasis or tribals interchangeably with
SCs and STs, respectively.

The report acknowledges that "the Indian Constitution set the stage for almost unparalleled affirmative action and other forms of positive actions. These have been translated into laws, programs, and procedures".

The authors explain that "the combination of identity politics, inflexibility of the very systems that seek to promote inclusion, and the attendant poor implementation has resulted in patchy impact, affecting some groups more than others. To state the real challenge is to state a truism—that the implementation of policies and of reforms of institutions is the key to ensuring that growth becomes more equitable".

Haq's Musings: World Bank on Poverty Across India in 2011

 
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The Hindu hierarchy is said to have evolved from different parts of the body of Brahma—the creator of the universe. Thus, the Brahmans, who originated from the mouth, undertake the most prestigious priestly and teaching occupations. The Kshatriyas (from the arms) are the rulers and warriors; the Vaishyas (from the thighs) are traders and merchants. The Shudras, from the feet, are manual workers and servants of other castes. Below the Shudras and outside the caste system, lowest in the order, the untouchables engage in the most demeaning and stigmatized occupations (scavenging, for instance, and dealing with bodily waste).

Similarly, the scheduled tribes are also referred to as the Adivasis. .... we use the terms SC and ST, as these are standard administrative and survey categories. In
the text we use the terms Dalits and Adivasis or tribals interchangeably with
SCs and STs, respectively.

There is no difference between shudra and Dalit.
 
Promoting self blog is considered spam, I think so.
 
In spite of recent poverty declines with its rapid economic expansion, India still has higher poverty rates than Pakistan, according to a 2011 World Bank report titled "Perspectives on poverty in India : stylized facts from survey data" released in 2011.

Overall, the latest World Bank data shows that India's poverty rate of 27.5% is more than 10 percentage points higher than Pakistan's 17.2%. Assam, Punjab and Himachal Pradesh are the only three Indian states with lower poverty rates than Pakistan's.

Although consumption poverty has steadily declined in India, the number of people who actually consume calories above the minimum level associated with the poverty line—2,400 and 2,100 kilocalories per day in rural and urban areas, respectively—has not risen. As of 2004–05, as many as 80 percent of rural households were estimated to be “calorie poor.”

India’s middle-class lives barely or not far above India’s poverty line, and below international poverty lines, especially in rural areas.

Large differences in poverty levels persist across India’s states and indeed are growing in urban areas. The rural areas of India’s poorest states have poverty rates that are the highest in the developing world. In contrast, urban areas of Punjab and Himachal Pradesh have poverty rates that are similar to those found in countries such as Turkey or the richer Latin American countries.

The World Bank findings are consistent with the 2008 India State Hunger Index study by Purnima Menon, Anil Deolalikar, Anjor Bhaskar. It showed that Assam and Punjab have much less hunger than the rest of India. Madhya Pradesh has the most severe level of hunger in India, comparable to Chad and Ethiopia. Gujarat, 13th on the Indian list is below Haiti, ranked 69 on the World Hunger Index.

The World Bank report discusses various causes of poverty in India, particularly discrimination against certain castes and tribes who make up most of the poor. It describes exclusion based on caste (SC or scheduled caste) and tribes (ST or scheduled tribes) and describes it as follows:

The Hindu hierarchy is said to have evolved from different parts of the body of Brahma—the creator of the universe. Thus, the Brahmans, who originated from the mouth, undertake the most prestigious priestly and teaching occupations. The Kshatriyas (from the arms) are the rulers and warriors; the Vaishyas (from the thighs) are traders and merchants. The Shudras, from the feet, are manual workers and servants of other castes. Below the Shudras and outside the caste system, lowest in the order, the untouchables engage in the most demeaning and stigmatized occupations (scavenging, for instance, and dealing with bodily waste).

Similarly, the scheduled tribes are also referred to as the Adivasis. .... we use the terms SC and ST, as these are standard administrative and survey categories. In
the text we use the terms Dalits and Adivasis or tribals interchangeably with
SCs and STs, respectively.


The report acknowledges that "the Indian Constitution set the stage for almost unparalleled affirmative action and other forms of positive actions. These have been translated into laws, programs, and procedures".

The authors explain that "the combination of identity politics, inflexibility of the very systems that seek to promote inclusion, and the attendant poor implementation has resulted in patchy impact, affecting some groups more than others. To state the real challenge is to state a truism—that the implementation of policies and of reforms of institutions is the key to ensuring that growth becomes more equitable".

Haq's Musings: World Bank on Poverty Across India in 2011


Hahaha...You just ruined the entire thing here. Too bad.
 
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It will be better if you are so considerate about your own country rather than your neighbors
 
India still has higher poverty rates than Pakistan

Oh oh! This will not go down well with some of our members -- they are beyond comparison with Pakistan, compare them US and such.

How does one explain this prickliness, this defensiveness, this inability to bear a critical remark, even if it is the truth? Confidence? lets have less of it. These issue are so complex, especially the kinds of definition we can give to poverty, to consumptive poverty, that it seems to me, we might be less prickly and more sober --

And I like girls.
 
Only Assam ,HP,Punjab has lower poverty rates than Pak.U mean avg Pakistanis are richer than avg Goanese,Delhites.

BTW Pakistan's HDI is 0.49 & India HDI is 0.52.
 
Oh oh! This will not go down well with some of our members -- they are beyond comparison with Pakistan, compare them US and such.

How does one explain this prickliness, this defensiveness, this inability to bear a critical remark, even if it is the truth? Confidence? lets have less of it. These issue are so complex, especially the kinds of definition we can give to poverty, to consumptive poverty, that it seems to me, we might be less prickly and more sober --

And I like girls.

we are very well aware of poverty in our country and government is working for progress of poor people which reflects in decline of poverty in india..

but varna system depicted in above article is totally wrong....
 
Whats the fuss ?

Yes, poverty is a major issue in India. It is less to do with lack of funds and more to do with corruption . Less than 20 paisa of every rupee spent by the Govt gets ground applied.

I do not see anything to hide or feel shy about neither is there a need to draw parallels or comparisons with another nation .

Lastly poverty has little to do with the caste system. There are very very rich among those in the ' lower' castes and extreme poverty in the ' upper' castes.

If India has more number of people than Pakistan for instance then logically there must be more rich / poor than Pakistan by the same percentage.
 
we are very well aware of poverty in our country and government is working for progress of poor people which reflects in decline of poverty in india..

but varna system depicted in above article is totally wrong....

This article is from Haq's Musing
you cant expect better than that from him :tdown:
 
One very nice fact that Mr Riaz Haq chose to omit from his comparison is that the data used for India is of 2004 - 2005 which leaves out the best period of India's growth in last 7 years. And the data used for Pakistan is of 2007- 2008 after which Pakistan has been in economic and political doldrums.. As they say, some blog writers are experts in twisting facts and using them selectively to prove a point.. ;)
 
Oh oh! This will not go down well with some of our members -- they are beyond comparison with Pakistan, compare them US and such.

How does one explain this prickliness, this defensiveness, this inability to bear a critical remark, even if it is the truth? Confidence? lets have less of it. These issue are so complex, especially the kinds of definition we can give to poverty, to consumptive poverty, that it seems to me, we might be less prickly and more sober --

And I like girls.

aahhh...plz dont teach us how to take up realities.
v cud learn the least frm pakistani's ( i nvr lik to steriotype, but their is no other way in replying to posters like u) on this matter.

evry indian acknowledges that their exists abject poverty in india, and ny1 denying that would be a either stupid or stupid.
We are, as a nation working towards removing this menace ( including castism) from our society and I (along with all my fellow indians) believe that we r on the right track. and the effort does show on the number of indians we are pulling out of poverty every year.

I assure u that no one in india is the least bit interested in knowing the facts about poverty in pakistan, we hardly care about comparing ours with yours. Its only when ppl like you and riaz flood the forums with such posts that v've to reply in any manner that u suggest to.
 
Don't know if poverty in India and Pakistan can be compared apples to apples, but as another poster said, India and its government is not in denial when it comes to the existence of poverty in the country. Although the progress is slower than expected, but we are moving in right direction. Poverty needs to be tackled on two fronts. Top down, but creating more employment opportunities to urban youth and this can be done by sustaining the current growth rate. Bottom up, by schemes like 100 days employment guarantee schemes and the 100% primary education etc, we are already doing this , but the problem with the bottom up approach is corruption. Once that corruption is tackled through the passage of Lok Pal bill, I think we will be making lot more progress.

Mr. Riaz Haq, please keep highlighting how India has more poverty than Chad, Ethiopia and Pakistan and that will contribute to our resolve to reduce the poverty in India. India is a functioning democracy , so every picture being painted as India being poor will send a reaction and thereby an action to the countries leadership.
 
The most important word in the article is:

DECLINE

See, India is improving with her massive 10% Economic growth.
 
These issue are so complex, especially the kinds of definition we can give to poverty, to consumptive poverty, that it seems to me, we might be less prickly and more sober --

The World Bank report discusses various causes of abysmal poverty in India, particularly discrimination against certain castes and tribes who make up most of the poor. It describes exclusion based on caste (SC or scheduled caste) and tribes (ST or scheduled tribes) and describes it as follows:

The Hindu hierarchy is said to have evolved from different parts of the body of Brahma—the creator of the universe. Thus, the Brahmans, who originated from the mouth, undertake the most prestigious priestly and teaching occupations. The Kshatriyas (from the arms) are the rulers and warriors; the Vaishyas (from the thighs) are traders and merchants. The Shudras, from the feet, are manual workers and servants of other castes. Below the Shudras and outside the caste system, lowest in the order, the untouchables engage in the most demeaning and stigmatized occupations (scavenging, for instance, and dealing with bodily waste).

Similarly, the scheduled tribes are also referred to as the Adivasis. .... we use the terms SC and ST, as these are standard administrative and survey categories. In the text we use the terms Dalits and Adivasis or tribals interchangeably with SCs and STs, respectively.

The report acknowledges that "the Indian Constitution set the stage for almost unparalleled affirmative action and other forms of positive actions. These have been translated into laws, programs, and procedures".

The authors explain that "the combination of identity politics, inflexibility of the very systems that seek to promote inclusion, and the attendant poor implementation has resulted in patchy impact, affecting some groups more than others. To state the real challenge is to state a truism—that the implementation of policies and of reforms of institutions is the key to ensuring that growth becomes more equitable".

Haq's Musings: World Bank on Poverty Across India in 2011
 

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