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Is there a recession in Pakistan?

So this is your so-called financial experts from abroad :rolleyes:. Aren’t you the same guy who never gets tired calling Pakistanis “jahel”?!
do you have anything constructive to say? or will you again cite information from GEO and other politicians? if you reject my arguments without any solid proof, and continue to believe what you've been told by people who have no expertise in this field, what should I call you?
 
correct me if i were wrong.. Isnt the case that significant debt were relieved or rescheduled after 9/11. It was not the pak economy but the external help made that possible to come down to that figure that u mentioned. Basically nothing extra ordinary really happend within the economy at that time..
there was no significant debt relief that I know of, only what biased and politicized Pakistani economists and politicians tell us. I've seen no official source so far, nothing unofficial either. don't get me wrong, there was debt relief, some loans were "forgiven", and there definitely was rescheduling.
 
The charges people like you, and Maqsad, and the rest of the agendized brigade hurl at him, is that that economic boom was achieved by huge borrowing and that in fact there was no economic boom! This is a pathetic argument.

Debt had decreased by nearly 50% thanks to Shaukat Aziz. The fact you, Maqsad, and dabong1 find this so hard to admit, and in fact dispute the figures from such sources is proof you're not interested in fact.
I can’t believe this, for heaven’s sake, from where are you getting all this misinformation, I really don’t know about Maqsad or Dabong1, but I have NEVER said what you are alleging.

An IMF loan of 7.2 billion. This is a high interest loan that Pakistani civilians (not the PPP government) will need to payback for many years to come. Under Musharraf/Aziz, not one significant IMF loan was taken out. What a difference a cabinet makes.
With all due respect, but that is not true, Musharraf regime was under IMF program, (PRGF) from 2000- 2004 that was worth around two billion and on top of that it also got billions in financial assistance and debt relief from the West after 9/11 attacks. Just give me day or two and I’ll give you links.
 
do you have anything constructive to say? or will you again cite information from GEO and other politicians? if you reject my arguments without any solid proof, and continue to believe what you've been told by people who have no expertise in this field, what should I call you?
Goodness, what’s wrong with you Musharraf supporters, where and when did I cite information from Geo? Please stop imagining. I proved you and Afreen Baig (the author of the article) wrong.

Here’s what I said in my previous post:

That is a blatant lie with its only purpose to deceive the public, oil prices never reached $140 level in 2007, in fact it did not even go above $95. The fact is that $140 level was touched on July 2008.

I’m not going to waste my time checking other figures.

Brent Crude Oil Futures Trading - Chart With Historical Prices
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Temp/Chart_000006.png

Here is another web site:

Weekly All Countries Spot Price FOB Weighted by Estimated Export Volume (Dollars per Barrel)
Now, isn’t this “solid proof” for you, can you refute it? Oil was never $140 in 2007 and that is a fact. Just remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. That article you posted is garbage, now be graceful and admit it.
 
I can’t believe this, for heaven’s sake, from where are you getting all this misinformation, I really don’t know about Maqsad or Dabong1, but I have NEVER said what you are alleging.

I posted credible links for all those figures. Show me which figures you dispute.

With all due respect, but that is not true, Musharraf regime was under IMF program, (PRGF) from 2000- 2004 that was worth around two billion and on top of that it also got billions in financial assistance and debt relief from the West after 9/11 attacks. Just give me day or two and I’ll give you links.

The PRGF loans were soft loans with only 0.5% interest.

The IMF loans the PPP just got come with 4% interest. The size of the loans means it will require paying back for a much longer time.

Now the "billions" in financial relief is totally bogus. Much of it was military equipment used for fighting the WoT.

The amount of financial assistance given to Pak post 911 was miniscule compared to the amount the total debt had decreased as a percent of GDP.

Let's assume 10 billion was given in financial aid (it wasn't even half this).

Pak had a 30 billion debt in 2000, GDP of 35 billion.

By 2007, Pak GDP had gone to 150 billion, so debt should have gone to 140 billion or so.

Let's say remove the 10 billion from this.

By 2007, Pak GDP had gone to 150 billion, so debt should have gone to 130 billion or so.

But what was the real debt. In fact in 2007, the debt was 60 billion.

130 billion - 60 billion. Where did the extra 70 billion reduction in debt come from? Could you answer this?
 
For everyone arguing on how good Musharraf was and posting various forex figures; read up Pakistan, Forex and Musharraf | Teeth Maestro
wow! teeth maestro, best site for propaganda against musharraf's govt. and has links to pkpolitics, the site for some of the most jahel people on earth! yes, I'm sure "shortcut aziz" stayed until Musharraf's last term of power. I'm sure Soomro did not take over and handle the economy for at least a financial quarter or two. goodness, you people can't read can you? Soomro was in charge for much of the 2007 year, have you forgot about that? Shaukat Aziz was not in charge of the economy during this term. besides, if the reserves were depleting quickly during Shaukat Aziz's era, we would have seen the rupee go past 61 Rs. Did you bother reading my article? it's so easy, even my younger brother can understand.

by the way, how did the new govt. respond to this?

“Can the new elected government take the unpopular step to increase oil prices at the first available opportunity? Or will it allow the subsidy on oil prices to widen the budget deficit and to erode macro-economic stability the way the previous government and the caretakers did? It will be confronted with tough choices

simple! they did not remove the subsidies at all! actually they began to subsidize even more! seriously, get real, I've looked for the graph through the cited sources, I've yet to find it. The graph is made up. actually, most of the SBP links given aren't even relevant to the subject!

besides, read my article, it's written by someone credible, a real economist, and they've written in language you can understand. the guy posting on that site doesn't even put forth his qualifications, and instead he's made an expert because he can speak against musharraf? that's exactly what is spread over these jahel news channels.
 
Is Shaukat Aziz to Blame?

Former Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz is frequently blamed in Pakistani media and political and economic circles for the rapid decline of Pakistan's economy during the last six months. The critics say the economic boom under Mr. Aziz was short-lived because it was achieved by easy, plentiful consumer credit, massive borrowing and construction spending in public and private sectors. They further charge that Mr. Aziz promoted the service sector while ignoring large infrastructure projects to enhance Pakistan's agricultural and industrial sectors. They also claim that, if Mr. Aziz had done a good job, the economy would have continued to perform well in spite of all the changes that have transpired since he quit. Some go to the extent of claiming that there was no real economic boom and the whole boom story was a fabrication.

How Do Modern Economies Work?

To examine the validity of the charge sheet against Mr. Aziz, let us try and understand how modern economies work. Modern economies are all consumer driven and cyclical. To manage growth in modern economies, there are a number of tools and policy options deployed by economic leadership consisting of government and central bank officials. Controlling money supply is a key tool. When the economy is slowing, the governments resort to deficit spending, and central banks lower interest rates to encourage consumer borrowing. Government and consumer spending then produce increased demand for goods and services which encourage more investment in plant, equipment and real estate etc. These investments create jobs which further stimulate demand.

Can the Economy run on Autopilot?

There is no such thing as an economy on autopilot that continues to perform well by itself over long periods of time without competent human intervention. As the economy overheats, the inflation starts to become an issue which then requires the central banks to raise interest rates and tighten money supply to cool growth. The governments act in concert with the central banks to reduce spending and limit money supply in the economy. The monetary and fiscal policies must be coordinated. Pakistan's latest 2008-2009 budget should not have massive deficits with 30% increase in spending to cancel the effects of the central bank raising interest rates to tighten money supply.

Wise stewardship by country's economic leadership helps reduce the severity of the economic cycles. But it does require close monitoring and constant tweaking to keep the economy performing well.
The confidence of business and investor community in the economy also plays a significant role. If the businessmen and investors feel the government and central bankers are managing the economy well, they continue to play their role to maintain economic health. On the other hand, if they lose confidence in government's economic team, they begin to slow or even withdraw their investments which hits the economy hard.

How Did Shaukat Aziz Do?

Unlike many of his critics, Shaukat Aziz is a banker by training and extensive experience in New York. He is not an academic. His credentials are similar to those of the successful US treasury secretaries such as Bob Rubin and Nick Brady who did well under Clinton and Reagan administrations. He understands the role of banking, finance, investment and consumer credit in economic growth of a nation. He focused on building strong banking, investment and finance sectors in Pakistan to underpin its economy. He strengthened capital availability, an essential and increasingly important economic input, in addition to labor and land improvements. With higher education budget up 15-fold and overall education spending up 36% in two years, he focused on education to improve the availability of skilled labor to fill new jobs. He pushed land development and public and private construction spending to improve infrastructure and facilities to attract greater business investment. Mr. Aziz was largely successful in his efforts.

Taking a leaf from the US housing policy to stimulate the economy, Mr. Aziz introduced low-rate mortgages in 2003. This initiative led to a construction boom and expanded housing for the growing middle class in Pakistan, contributing significantly to the GDP growth.

Pakistan's tax base grew with rapid economic growth over the last 9 years. The Federal Board of Revenue's tax collection surpassed Rs 1 trillion in 2007 from Rs. 500 billion in 1999. This effort was essential in managing the current account deficit during Shaukat Aziz's term in office.

When Shaukat Aziz took over as finance minister and later as Prime Minister, Pakistani economy was in shambles. In 1999 Pakistan’s total debt as percentage of GDP was the highest in South Asia – 99.3 percent of its GDP and 629 percent of its revenue receipts, compared to Sri Lanka (91.1% & 528.3% respectively in 1998) and India (47.2% & 384.9% respectively in 1998). Internal Debt of Pakistan in 1999 was 45.6 per cent of GDP and 289.1 per cent of its revenue receipts, as compared to Sri Lanka (45.7% & 264.8% respectively in 1998) and India (44.0% & 358.4% respectively in 1998). Read more about it here.
Most recent figures in 2007 indicate that Pakistan's total debt stands at 56% of GDP, significantly lower than the 99% of GDP in 1999. It also compares favorably with India's debt-to-GDP ratio of 59% and Sri Lanka's 85% in 2007. From being the highest debtor nation in South Asia, Pakistan has, in fact, become the lowest debtor nation in its region and achieved economic growth rate of about 7% a year during the last 6 years.

The Economist magazine in its June 12 issue comments on Pakistan's current and past Economic Performance as follows:" (The current) macroeconomic disarray will be familiar to the coalition government led by the Pakistan People's Party of Asif Zardari, and to Nawaz Sharif, whose party provides it “outside support”. Before Mr Sharif was ousted in 1999, the two parties had presided over a decade of corruption and mismanagement. But since then, as the IMF remarked in a report in January, there has been a transformation. Pakistan attracted over $5 billion in foreign direct investment in the 2006-07 fiscal year, ten times the figure of 2000-01. The government's debt fell from 68% of GDP in 2003-04 to less than 55% in 2006-07, and its foreign-exchange reserves reached $16.4 billion as recently as in October."

The turn-around engineered by Shaukat Aziz was applauded around the world. A 2005 Bloomberg headline, as reported by China's Peoples Daily, proclaimed as follows: "The world's second-fastest growing economy after China is no longer India. It's Pakistan."

Here's an excerpt from a UN Economic Survey 2008 report: "Pakistan’s economy maintained its momentum in 2007, growing by 7%, slightly more than the 6.6% for 2006. Agricultural sector growth recovered sharply, from 1.6% in 2006 to 5% in 2007, while the manufacturing sector growth continued at 8.4% in 2007, slightly more moderate than the 10% for 2006. Services grew at 8% in 2007, down from 9.6% in 2006. But exports were sluggish in 2007, with economic growth largely driven by strong domestic demand. Investment overtook consumption, helped by a surge in domestic private investment and record foreign direct investment (FDI) flows. In 2007, investment in real terms increased by over 20%."

The strong consumer demand in Pakistan drove large investments in real estate, construction, communications, automobile manufacturing, banking and various consumer goods. Millions of new jobs were created. By all accounts, the ranks of the middle class swelled in Pakistan during Shaukat Aziz's term in office. According to Tara Vishwanath, the World Bank's lead economist for South Asia, about 5% of Pakistanis moved from the poor to the middle class in three years from 2001-2004, the most recent figures available.

The one sore spot that sticks out in Shaukat Aziz's record is his lack of attention to the rising energy needs of the country. Appropriate planning should have comprehended new power plants to support growth forecasts. There were other mistakes as well, such as the decision to export wheat in 2007 that created shortages and price hikes that helped bring down the PML (Q) government.

What Comes Next?

As the PPP and PML leaderships continue their political posturing, the larger story is the massive loss of confidence by business and investment communities in Pakistan. There is no one in charge of the economy at the moment.

It is worrying to see a sudden halt to foreign investments and the flight of capital by Pakistani investors to investments elsewhere in the world. Foreigners bought just $97m-worth of Pakistani stocks in the first ten months of this fiscal year, compared with over $1.5 billion in the same period a year earlier. No amount of blaming and escape-goating of Shaukat Aziz can be a substitute for real action by a competent economic team to stabilize the economy. Instead of shifting blame, Shaukat Aziz's critics should help fix the current mess Pakistan finds itself in. The first step toward fixing the economy is to put an experienced and competent leader in charge with a few smart technocrats on the team.

Haq's Musings: Shaukat Aziz's Economic Legacy
 
Goodness, what’s wrong with you Musharraf supporters, where and when did I cite information from Geo? Please stop imagining. I proved you and Afreen Baig (the author of the article) wrong.
musharraf supporters? just because we aren't jahel like you and your kind, doesn't mean we are musharraf supporters. we can think, unlike you. you did not prove anything wrong, just by showing a link to for an error does not prove the entire premise wrong, unless that's what you've been taught in your education. now prove everything in the article wrong, the explanation about the reserves, trade deficit and everything else. can you prove it?

Now, isn’t this “solid proof” for you, can you refute it? Oil was never $140 in 2007 and that is a fact. Just remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. That article you posted is garbage, now be graceful and admit it.
oil prices were never $140 a barrel, okay, how much did Pakistan end up paying for oil? Afreen Baig has probably made an error, after all we all still have the "$140 a barrel" ringing in our heads. when oil prices started to rise, shaukat aziz took adaquate measures to lessen the effects. also, how much did Pakistan end up paying for oil? I can assure you, it's not the stated price, that's just the average price per barrel. The price of oil per barrel depends on which country you purchase it from, Pakistan may get the bulk of its oil from Saudi, but it also has other GCC countries, especially UAE, to look towards to. so can you bring me the exact price per barrel we paid?
 
Not sure whether it has any relevance here or not. As I try to keep an eye on both Bangladesh and Pakistan economy as both of them has the same funda... I was listening to a TV report in BD media, where reporter asked BB governor regarding the Pakistan economy in shamble and whether we would be facing the same or not. He answered in one quick sentence.. "Yes I looked at it, and there are some fundamental flaws in Pakistan fiscal policies.. we have nothing to worry about."
I wonder what that be?? and tried to find some answers... even the answer may lies within the replies already posted here.

1) Most of the replies mainly focused on blame game which is inherently incorrect. There are policies taken by the Mush govt with good faith and that worked great for few of those years. I would take it... Now the question why hasn't it sustained?
2) What this current government could have done otherwise??? Did they have a magic stick? Had any factor changed drastically?? Only oil price?? this is ridiculous. Pakistan is not the only oil importing country in the world.
3) Why just a change of government should drastically affect the economy??? Is it not the economy which get hit by change of government is just another flaw of this economy? May be yes .. if some of the replies are true here, which suggests that Only change of government is the core of all mess..

Now lets get back to the core issue, which is the economic policy taken by the Mush goverment.
My first analysis, why a farmer in USA could afford to buy two cars couple of tractors, having airconditioned house to live with.. could retire at the age of 50 and so on and the Pakistan farmer still has to think where the next meal going to come from? Does USA farmer produce GOLD instead of wheat? NO, both farmer grows same wheat.. but have different living standard.
The difference between a Pakistani farmer and a USA farmer is that, the money he gets selling his wheat in USA could buy all those products that I mentioned. But how? Its because uniformity of economy. The car is produced in USA or (in economy cheaper than USA) which could be exchangeable with wheat. Now why a farmer cant buy a car in Pakistan. Yes he can.. If the car is produced in Pakistan with all pakistani technology, the core iron has the price of pakistani rupee, no foreign experts, draw a huge pay check, the car produced in Pakistan, could be priced around 50000 rupees, and hell ya.. Pakistni farmer could buy them.

So now come to the point where some of the responders advocated for consumer economy or credit economy. May be hard to grab, but Pakistan economy does not have enough commodity to feed its consumers. First you need products (for instance 50000 rupee worth of car) to feed that to the consumer. If you just import them from higher ecomic country, it will not a consumer economy rather will turn to a beggars economy.
That was the input level for a consumer economy "the goods". Now for the consumer to buy the goods, they need money. The cheap credit is just a temporary stimula which is just used by grown economy as a temporary medicine. But only cheap credit or easy credit will not create the real consumers. You need good industrial base to start with which helps in two way. First it produces the "Goods" that I talked about for cheaper price. Second the employment generation. In contrary to the service economy with I belive contribute 50% to the pakistan GDP. This is very high for a emerging economy like Pakistan. The Mush policy became too dependent on this service sector. Service sector do create jobs but no goods.

This is just a thought I believe I already started boring you, just got that in my mind.. I hope I will continue elaborate more on subsequent posts...
 
I posted credible links for all those figures. Show me which figures you dispute.



The PRGF loans were soft loans with only 0.5% interest.

The IMF loans the PPP just got come with 4% interest. The size of the loans means it will require paying back for a much longer time.

Now the "billions" in financial relief is totally bogus. Much of it was military equipment used for fighting the WoT.

The amount of financial assistance given to Pak post 911 was miniscule compared to the amount the total debt had decreased as a percent of GDP.

Let's assume 10 billion was given in financial aid (it wasn't even half this).

Pak had a 30 billion debt in 2000, GDP of 35 billion.

By 2007, Pak GDP had gone to 150 billion, so debt should have gone to 140 billion or so.

Let's say remove the 10 billion from this.

By 2007, Pak GDP had gone to 150 billion, so debt should have gone to 130 billion or so.

But what was the real debt. In fact in 2007, the debt was 60 billion.

130 billion - 60 billion. Where did the extra 70 billion reduction in debt come from? Could you answer this?

Hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol:

What has debt got to do with the GDP! India had a debt of $90 billion when our GDP was $200 billion. Now the figures are $160 billions and $1 trillion respectively!

There is no correlation at all. I am flabbergasted by these so called calculations that carry no meaning at all.

Where did you study your economics?
 
Goodness, what’s wrong with you Musharraf supporters, where and when did I cite information from Geo? Please stop imagining. I proved you and Afreen Baig (the author of the article) wrong.
Now, isn’t this “solid proof” for you, can you refute it? Oil was never $140 in 2007 and that is a fact. Just remember, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. That article you posted is garbage, now be graceful and admit it.
guess what? I've decided to consult an expert on the matter, someone who actually knows what he's talking about. now I understand, that people in Pakistan are not used to doing this kind of thing. after all, we believe anything we hear from politicians and journalists, and we take their words as the truth. The people are not used to consulting experts, and instead mock their expertise. However, I seriously think you should read what Niaz sahib had to say about the matter:

"If you are quoting these numbers from Crude Oil Marketwire then these prices are FOB numbers. If nothing is said then it means price of WTI ( West Texas Intermeditae). This is because the world takes her direction from the prices at which NYMEX ( New York Mercantile Exchange closes at). Else it would refer to Brent ( North sea) crude or average basket of Arab Gulf crudes. Unless specified, these are FOB( Free on board) prices. To this one must add freight to the refinery, this would give CFR(Cost plus freight) cost. All producing countries sell their crude based on WTI or Brent or spot prices of Oman and Dubai and all prices are FOB load port. Usually a discount from WTI and Brent but a premium over Oman & Dubai. these are called 'Posted Prices'

WTI price in New York touched $147 per bbl. Average basket of Arab Gulf Crudes also crossed $140 per bbl. I don’t have access to full Pakistan import data. As a rough guess Pakistan crude imports are approximately 10-milion tons per year. In addition Pakistan imports about 4-million tons distillates and 5-milion tons of fuel oil (Furnace oil in Pakistan). During July 2007-June 2008 period average price of AG crudes was above $100-bbl. Freight to Pakistan from the AG is about $1-bbl.

On this basis bill of crude imports would be 101 x 7.35 X 10 = $ 7. 50 billion
For gas oil (diesel) 108 X 7.745 X 4 = $ 3.20 billion
For fuel oil 600 X 6 = $ 3.6 billion

Crude oil prices is quoted in barrels approx 7.35 bbls/metric ton for 34 API crude
Gas oil price is also quoted in bbls approx 7.45 bbls/MT
Fuel oil price is quote in metric tons.

Total import bill was therefore close $ 14- billion. Compare this to the same period 2003-004, crude price was $30 per bbl, fuel oil was $200 per ton and gas oil was $55 per bbl. The bill was close $4-billion.

Due to copy rights I cannot send you a copy of the Crude oil Market wire. For your info I am copying part of the crude prices form Dec 11, 2008 Market wire and Dec 2, 2008 Market Scan. Prices for Pakistan are a premium to the prices quoted therein. The premiums reflect freight costs and profit of the Seller. Don’t try to understand it completely, just look at the numbers. Some numbers are in barrels and some in tons. This is publication for the oil industry thus no explanation is required. The people for whom this meant understand it.

Platts Americas Crude Oil Assessments- 11Dec08
New York (Platts)--11Dec08/0508 pm EST/ 2208 GMT
Differentials versus Platts 1st month cash WTI assessment:
WTI Midland -0.96/-0.94 Wyo Sweet -12.78/-12.72
WTS (1st month) -3.53/-3.47 LLS (1st month) 2.47/2.53
WTS (2nd month) -4.52/-4.48 LLS (2nd month) 1.68/1.72
Eugene Island -1.38/-1.32 HLS (1st month) 0.30/0.35
Bonito -1.63/-1.57 HLS (2nd month) -0.10/-0.05
Mars/WTI (JAN) -2.61/-2.59 ANS (Calif.)** -5.33/-5.31
Mars/WTI (FEB) -4.11/-4.09 Basrah Light* -6.22/-6.18
Mars/WTI (MAR) -4.71/-4.69 SGC -3.75/-3.70
Poseidon -2.63/-2.57


Platts Crude Oil Assessments - 11Dec08
London (Platts)--11Dec08/0200 pm EST/ 1900 GMT
BrentJAN +45.47-45.51+ Dubai(FEB) +39.92-39.94+
BrentFEB +47.84-47.86+ Dubai(MAR) +40.89-40.91+
BrentMAR +49.99-50.03+ Dubai(APR) +42.26-42.28+
Brent(Dtd) +43.77-43.79+ MEC (FEB) +39.92-39.94+
DTD NSL +43.77-43.79+ MEC (MAR) +40.89-40.91+
NS Dtd Strip +44.82-44.84+ MEC (APR) +42.26-42.28+
NS Basket +44.59-44.63+ Brent/Dubai -4.28- 4.30-
BNB +44.56-44.60+ Upper Zakum(FEB)+40.16-40.20+
Forties +43.76-43.80+ Oman(FEB) +40.39-40.41+
Ekofisk +44.71-44.75+ Oman(MAR) +41.58-41.60+
Statfjord +45.71-45.75+ Oman(APR) +42.97-42.99+
Oseberg +45.31-45.35+ Oman(FEB) MOG +-0.45--0.41+
Flotta +42.96-43.00+ Oman(MAR) MOG 0.03- 0.07
Sulfur De-escalator: 0.40 Oman(APR) MOG 0.03- 0.07

440--Platts Crude Oil Assessments - Asian Close - 11Dec08
Singapore (Platts)--11Dec2008/514 am EST/1014 GMT
--------------Assessment---Mid-Point--Change----Prem./Disc.----Spread vs OSP
Murban +42.36-42.40+ 42.380 0.28 -0.35--0.25
Lower Zakum +40.21-40.25+ 40.230 0.28 -0.30--0.20
Umm Shaif +40.41-40.45+ 40.430 0.28 -0.30--0.20
Upper Zakum +40.16-40.20+ 40.180 0.58 -0.30--0.20
Qatar Land +39.92-39.96+ 39.940 0.34 -0.40--0.30
Qatar Marine +40.42-40.46+ 40.440 0.34 -0.40--0.30
Ras Gas +41.95-41.99+ 41.970 0.28 -0.75--0.65
Al-Shaheen +38.95-38.99+ 38.970 0.28 -3.55--3.45
Banoco AM +39.26-39.30+ 39.280 0.31
0.40—



43--Platts AG/Japan Products Assessments - 02Dec08
Singapore (Platts)--02Dec08/0553 am EST/ 1053 GMT
FOB Arab Gulf Premium/Discount* C+F Japan
Mogas UNL -41.35-41.39-
Mogas 95 RON unl -37.15-37.19- +3.81/3.85+ -42.33-42.37-
+4.94/4.98+ **
Naphtha LR2 -251.70-252.20-
Naphtha -242.88-243.38- 1.50/2.50 -282.75-283.25-
Naphtha MOPJ Strip -16.50/-15.50 *** 298.75-299.25
Nph 2nd 1/2 Jan -284.75-285.25-
Nph 1st 1/2 Feb -282.75-283.25-
Nph 2nd 1/2 Feb -282.75-283.25-
* = Premium/Discount to MOP Arab Gulf >
** = Premium/Discount on C+F Middle East basis
***= Premium/Discount on MOPJ Strip
(Singapore Products: p6, 42//freight netback: p332) Cont'd p449

10:53 02DEC08 PLATT'S UK70644 PGA449
449--Platts AG/Japan Products Assessments - 02Dec08
Singapore (Platts)--02Dec08/0553 am EST/ 1053 GMT
FOB Arab Gulf Premium/Discount* C+F Japan
Kero -58.41-58.45- 2.63/2.67 -63.37-63.41-
Kero LR2 -59.07-59.11-
Gasoil 0.05% S -59.48-59.52- 5.78/5.82
Gasoil 0.25% S -56.88-56.92- 3.18/3.22
Gasoil -56.28-56.32- 2.58/2.62 -65.22-65.26- ***
Gasoil LR2 -56.99-57.03-
HSFO 180 CST -207.25-207.29- 4.98/5.02 -238.90-238.94-
HSFO 380 CST -201.60-201.64- 4.98/5.02
HSFO 180/380 Spread -5.67--5.63 ** 0.30
"
 
Hilarious. :lol: :lol: :lol:

What has debt got to do with the GDP! India had a debt of $90 billion when our GDP was $200 billion. Now the figures are $160 billions and $1 trillion respectively!

There is no correlation at all. I am flabbergasted by these so called calculations that carry no meaning at all.

Where did you study your economics?

You're too clueless to bother explaining this too.
 

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