Attack on PAF Base Minhas

[indushek]

Most of the attackers that have been tracked in the past have been found to be uneducated or maybe primary schooled. Their minders recruit them with such limited education because it is easy to program such individuals.

The issue is their target selection. Why do they go for the most expensive and strategic assets? If their primary purpose was to make the security forces look weak, they can strike any of the locations such as units or divisional HQs or police stations. The fact that they are going for very select targets could be a coincidence, but in my mind their planners have something more sinister in mind.

Trying to maximize the damage would be the obvious answer sir, unless u have some other angle on this.

 

[Hyperion]

Ask your contacts to provide you with the info of the aircraft damaged...so you can share with us

Trying to track some old course mates as we speak!

 

[blain2]

But don't u agree its a very big attack and embarrassment??

Does this types of attacks Happens in any other part of the world that too regularly??

Anyways, my point was that we are not that obsessed.

Any attack is "embarrassing" but the point is that the country is in the midst of an insurgency in a part of the country and there is blowback. In my view, the attacks should not be considered "embarrasing", rather "expected" as these people are known to strike soft targets. What would be embarrassing is a weak response, which in this situation is clearly not the case. Ehsanullah Ehsan, the big mouth of TTP can just brag about launching an "attack", but nothing more because he knows that his people got put down before they could do any major damage. The loss of one of the Air Force personnel is indeed heart breaking.

 

[acetophenol]

The Pak commandoes make those cowards bite some dust. Lazy cowards!

 

[Mani2020]

I wish we could get rid of these terrorists but at the moment it is looking next to impossible as the terrorists have infiltrated so much as well as the sympathy they enjoy in not only military as well as civilian ranks may it be upper hierarchy or the middle and lower one

 

[Abingdonboy]

To all those jumping the gun and blaming India:


I have called for patience and restrain earlier on this thread but been told to hold my tongue and allow others to vent but it is now gotten to the point where some are saying it is India and US as a declarative statement holding this to be fact. This is slander pure and simple, there has NEVER been a single shred of evidence about India operating proxies in Pakistan or orchestrating such attacks. India is being used to hide the simple but disturbing fact that these were probably home-bred terrorists trained and equipped in Pakistan by Pakistanis and that once again they have attacked their own nation and killed their countrymen. India is once again being used as a all-weather scapegoat to hide any failures by the Pakistani military and government just as India is blamed for most of Pakistan's ills despite how ridiculous this sounds sometimes. Let's entertain the ludicrous notion that it was India for a moment, does the GoP/PAF not have to take a significant proportion of the blame for this attack because it has,supposedly, happened before and it keeps happening again and again- does Pakistan not learn from its mistakes?




Here's what I posted earlier:

Guys it is clear we should wait for more details to emerge before jumping to conclusions. Before balking the "boogy man" India one should control oneself. No link with India and terror groups has ever been proved and anyone who says it it has talking nonsense because if so where I'd the evidence and where is the official protest by the GoP? India has given thousands of pages of evidence to Pksitan over 26/11 and other attacks so surely this would be sweet revenge for the GoP? Addtionally for those inferring tht the attack had foreign finger prints just because they targeted AWACs are drawing conclusions they want to be true to absolve them of the real and more bitter truth. The TTP's motives for attacking AWACS are clear- they now see the GoP and thenPaksitani military as their enemy and hence want to inflict as much damage to their adversary as possible and hence it makes sense to attack an AWACS over say an F-16 or JF-17 in the same way it made sense to attack P-3s. The P-3s and AWACS are strategic assets, assets which Paksitan has relatively few hence taking out an Orion or Erieye would have a much larger effect on the PAF/PN and Paksitan as a whole given they are fewer in number, are much more expensive per unit to procure and replace and are "force multipliers" in themselves. Taking out an F-16 or Thunder would be damaging but clearly not as damaging as taking out a P-3 or AWACs. This is clear to any rational person so the TTP don't need to be CIA/Mossad/RAW trained or backed or Einsteins to peruse this line of attack, do they?

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/202635-attack-paf-base-minhas-75.html#ixzz23ii8Dq5m

It is absurd that all these accusations against India are tolerated by the moderators as they have to factual base nor evidence to support these claims. I have seen much less be dealt with much more severely.

 

[Devil Soul]

 

[blain2]

Trying to maximize the damage would be the obvious answer sir, unless u have some other angle on this.

Damage to what? Why just the military infrastructure? If they are against the state, why not PIA assets? Why not railroads? If its military infrastructure, then why the reconnaissance capabilty? And secondly, are we to believe that folks like Ehsanullah Ehsan and the likes can distinguish between a AEW&C platform and the others? This requires knowledge, analysis. Maybe the TTP has evolved but I have my doubts about that.

I would offer that maybe these militants had some insight provided to them by a disgruntled individual formerly associated with the security agencies as this has happened in the past, but the target selection does make one wonder about the motivation.

 

[blain2]

To all those jumping the gun and blaming India:



It is absurd that all these accusations against India are tolerated by the moderators as they have to factual base nor evidence to support these claims. I have seen much less be dealt with much more severely.

These are views and as such should not be suppressed. Nobody here knows anything factually and as such many are postulating.

 

[Emmie]

It is the most logical explanation....
The boundary wall at the back of the Base was under surveillance for many weeks or months...and the terrorists were in the area already and amassing ammunition and intelligence.
The local villagers were saying that they did not notice anybody among them,except the many afghan refugees living in the area..about whom nobody knows their identity....

So the only unknown people there were the afghan refugees..
They are the ones who also keep shuttling between Afghanistan and Pakistan freely..

So there are the clues..

This logic would help you relax for sure but won't explain the security lapse which occurred despite of prior intelligence reports. Whether its TTP, Afghan or local you had reports but you didn't trace the leads, didn't make bases impregnable.

 

[Armstrong]

Razi meri Jaan. We all have HUGE heads (lol, don't take this the other way) and very prominent cheek bones!

Huge Heads - Bereft of any brains and the cheek bones are that way because of sucking on too much ahmmmn !

*jokes*

 

[CENTCOM]

These terrorists did not even care for the sanctity of one of the holiest nights of Ramazan. They attacked the Kamra Airbase and killed a soldier. Our condolences go out to the family of the brave man killed protecting his country. We congratulate the Pakistani military for foiling the attack and killing the terrorist with minimal damage to the base. Our prayers are with those who were injured, including the base commander. We wish them a quick recovery.

Terrorists are the biggest enemy of the state today. They want to see an unstable and defeated Pakistan. We stand with Pakistan in solidarity against all forms of terrorism and support them in their quest to bring peace in the region.


Capt. Joseph Kreidel
DET-United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[Icarus]

Damage to what? Why just the military infrastructure? If they are against the state, why not PIA assets? Why not railroads? If its military infrastructure, then why the reconnaissance capabilty? And secondly, are we to believe that folks like Ehsanullah Ehsan and the likes can distinguish between a AEW&C platform and the others? This requires knowledge, analysis. Maybe the TTP has evolved but I have my doubts about that.

You're talking my lingo now, that's the point I have been pushing since morning to the TTP anything that has wings and flies on fuel is a "Jahaz" a B-56, A-10, F-16, Saab-2000, Boeing 777, Mushak, JF-17, YF-12, P-3C, Me-109 are all simply "Jahaz".
Their leadership can't distinguish between a passenger plane and an aerial refueller, then how can they know that they want to target ONLY AWACs and Naval Recon Planes? And why is it that the attacking contingent consisted solely of Uzbeks in both cases?

I am sending these observations to the higher-ups for investigation, glad to see I'm not the only one who finds this strange.

 

[Imran Khan]

 

[Devil Soul]

Base Commander Air Commodore Azam Khan who got injured while during gun battle with terrorists