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Problem is not with the referendum, problem is, who will accept the results. Hamas won the Election, did US/UK/Europe accept the results? Instead they did their best to fail their Government. My dear, your democracy, your system, your civility, is for you, and only for you. When it comes to deal with the outsiders, the rules are changed completely.

No one toppled Hamas they toppled themselves, but thats another thread.

These are the same TTP people whom you called as RAW, Mossad stooges and now suddenly they are heroes.

Regards
 
No one toppled Hamas they toppled themselves, but thats another thread.

These are the same TTP people whom you called as RAW, Mossad stooges and now suddenly they are heroes.

Regards
Really? Hamas toppled herself? Like the Palestinians lost their land by themselves, it was them who had voted for the creation of a unlawful state on their lands? Right? Like all the countries ruled by the colonial British, they had handed over their sovereignty to the colonials, Right?
 
Be an optimistic, but I guess u will wrong once again.

This is the first solid peace deal that "NA" approved, if anything it has made the job easy if they break the peace deal they will regret it, a political will is needed here, ANP is leading the peace deal we need to follow they are a national party if the peace deal is breached only one option will be left and that is a military intervention.
 
Really? Hamas toppled herself? Like the Palestinians lost their land by themselves, it was them who had voted for the creation of a unlawful state on their lands? Right? Like all the countries ruled by the colonial British, they had handed over their sovereignty to the colonials, Right?

As I said thats another thread so let it be. How come so much sudden love for the TTP ? Let me know when they sw off the computers and PTV and cut you off from the world.

Regards

Ps : Happy caress on the bottom Swat style if you disobey them (RR words not mine)
 
This is the first solid peace deal that "NA" approved, if anything it has made the job easy if they break the peace deal they will regret it, a political will is needed here, ANP is leading the peace deal we need to follow they are a national party if the peace deal is breached only one option will be left and that is a military intervention.
Exactly, this is what we call in Urdu 'Atmam Hujjat'. Now both the parties, the Taliban of Sawat and the GoP are bound by an agreement that is endorsed by the NA. If the Taliban don’t honor this agreement (which I guess they won't), GoP will give a green signal to the PA for a thorough crackdown. And if PA is on a thorough crack down, than we know even Sardar Akbar Bugti couldn't save himself from the wrath of the PA (though it was very fateful an incident).
 
As I said thats another thread so let it be. How come so much sudden love for the TTP ? Let me know when they sw off the computers and PTV and cut you off from the world.

Regards

Ps : Happy caress on the bottom Swat style if you disobey them (RR words not mine)
Debate is not about my love for TTP, it is about the agreement between the GoP and the Taliban, and whether GoP should have gone for it. Do not associate thing with me which I have never said.
 
Well, MQM is 4th biggest democratic party in Pakistan and has right to raise doubt on any bill and deliver to messes if they have any reservations. But I support his one point, sharia been imposed by putting gun on ANP govt head. Well, whats the other way around,its illusive .
 
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Where has he called the MQM non-Muslim?
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shame on MQM and its followers who if they still call them muslim. i found MQM and Mirzayee are some of the many anti muslim organisations, protected and funded by western powers.

I just said what i felt you cant label anyone as muslim or non muslim just because they disagree to approve taliban's shariah in swat
and i accidentally hitted the thanks button instead of the quote button :frown:
 
Bravo MQM - Whatever else it faults, at least it remembers Pakistan of M. A., Jinnah and not Zawahiri :pakistan::pakistan:

very strange altaf hussain is citizen of uk , and never protest against sharia courts in uk.....September 14, 2008

Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts Abul Taher
ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

It has now emerged that sharia courts with these powers have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network’s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said he had taken advantage of a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.

Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

Siddiqi said: “We realised that under the Arbitration Act we can make rulings which can be enforced by county and high courts. The act allows disputes to be resolved using alternatives like tribunals. This method is called alternative dispute resolution, which for Muslims is what the sharia courts are.”

The disclosure that Muslim courts have legal powers in Britain comes seven months after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, was pilloried for suggesting that the establishment of sharia in the future “seems unavoidable” in Britain.

In July, the head of the judiciary, the lord chief justice, Lord Phillips, further stoked controversy when he said that sharia could be used to settle marital and financial disputes.

In fact, Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours.

It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of “smaller” criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. “All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases,” said Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.

Jewish Beth Din courts operate under the same provision in the Arbitration Act and resolve civil cases, ranging from divorce to business disputes. They have existed in Britain for more than 100 years, and previously operated under a precursor to the act.

Politicians and church leaders expressed concerns that this could mark the beginnings of a “parallel legal system” based on sharia for some British Muslims.

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: “If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so.”

Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, said: “I think it’s appalling. I don’t think arbitration that is done by sharia should ever be endorsed or enforced by the British state.”

There are concerns that women who agree to go to tribunal courts are getting worse deals because Islamic law favours men.

Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons.

The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.

In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.

In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations.

Siddiqi said that in the domestic violence cases, the advantage was that marriages were saved and couples given a second chance.

Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “The MCB supports these tribunals. If the Jewish courts are allowed to flourish, so must the sharia ones.”www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4749183.ece
 
MQM's stance on this issue is clear. The only political party in Pakistan that stands firm against those hooligans and fanatics down there. This deal is not the way forward and will only lead to further problems.

No country on earth would ever tolerate such fanatics or negotiate with them. The state must establish rule of law in Malakand and Swat. It's amusing when people argue about sovereignty against drones but never are they outraged by these fanatics who hold Pakistan hostage.

Where are the clown wooklas? is this the "free" judiciary they dreamt of?
 
he said:
shame on MQM and its followers who if they still call them muslim. i found MQM and Mirzayee are some of the many anti muslim organisations, protected and funded by western powers.

I just said what i felt you cant label anyone as muslim or non muslim just because they disagree to approve taliban's shariah at swat
and i accidentally hitted the thanks button instead of the quote button :frown:
In the first sentence, no where does the sentence mean, they are non-Muslim. In the other sentence, he is accusing MQM of being an anti-Muslim organization. Again, Anti-Muslim could be any one who opposes Islam, doesn't mean he has to be non-Muslim to oppose Islam. It is like someone is accused of being an anti-Pakistan, now that person doesn’t have to be foreigner to be an anti-Pakistani. Pakistanis can do that job very well, in fact better than a foreigner.
 
very strange altaf hussain is citizen of uk , and never protest against sharia courts in uk.....September 14, 2008

:what: MQM is in the parliment of Pakistan not UK :azn:
and it is not against shaira it is against Taliban's shariah
i think we have seen a lot of incidents in swat after this shariyah rule
women are not allowed to go inside a market :frown:
and that flogging issue
 
In the first sentence, no where does the sentence mean, they are non-Muslim. In the other sentence, he is accusing MQM of being an anti-Muslim organization. Again, Anti-Muslim could be any one who opposes Islam, doesn't mean he has to be non-Muslim to oppose Islam. It is like someone is accused of being an anti-Pakistan, now that person doesn’t have to be foreigner to be an anti-Pakistani. Pakistanis can do that job very well, in fact better than a foreigner.

Being an anti muslim means munafiq (those who have not accepted islam by heart)
in short it means non muslim :azn:
 
Being an anti muslim means munafiq (those who have not accepted islam by heart)
in short it means non muslim :azn:
"In short it means non-Muslim" is how you have perceived it. This is your fault and you can’t blame the other person for your miss-understanding.
 

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