Pakistani High court orders Musharraf's arrest.

[Chrome9]

I knew this Pakistani guy in NYC who'd always say to such things, "Hun ay pi tay tenu katni pay gi".

I think anything more than the same punishment Gilani got, would bring institutions to clash. Make him saza yafta and call it a day.



On duty PM ka arrest hua?

On duty PM ko 30 seconds ki saza kuch soch samaj ke hi di thi. Same thing can be done to Musharraf. You have to consider national security.

Indian newspapers are all over the place...

Agreed, that's the crux of it, judges need to think real hard about the consequences and timing of all of their decisions. Decisions shouldn't be made in a vaccume. The country is going through a real critical phase, sensitive elections, terrorism, institutional instability and a volatile economic outlook amplify any thing they do. They need to be a stabilising force not an aggrevating one.

 

[Developereo]

Ok for the sake of argument, lets agree on the point, so the next question, why not put the entire SC bench on trial along with Musharraf for abetting in the process and allowing the constitution to be held in abeyance? If Musharraf goes to the jail, his cell mates should include the CJP and those from his bench that signed the PCO. Are they not all guilty?

I don't know the procedure in Pakistan on who has the authority to suspend the constitution and declare a state of emergency. If the SC has that authority, then the judges acted within the law. That, in no way, excuses Musharraf's actions to send the army to arrest SC judges who refused to toe his line.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Why single out the Army generals trying to help avoid the Country from being run into the ground? Who has served time in this godforsaken country of ours? Can you name me anyone? The certified thieves who loot from the poor and the wretched are running again and walking around freely yet the holding of the constitution in abeyance suddenly becomes a crime that is unforgivable. I know one thing very clearly, on the day of reckoning, people would not be questioned for holding the constitution in abeyance, rather they will be asked about how the rights of the people were handled. They will be asked about how they filled up their coffers with the wealth of the nation. This is the basis of justice. Not some piece of paper that we ourselves have crafted and make changes to as and when we feel necessary (there goes the false argument about the constitution being sacrosanct).

Army Generals are subject to the requirements of the law, just like everyone else, Sir. And while your point about who else has been jailed may be a good one, we have to start somewhere with accountability, slowly and step by step.

Everyone will get judged on the Day of Reckoning by Allah, according to His laws, surely. But here on Earth, until the Day of Judgement, we will be judged by man-made laws by our own kind sitting in courts. Claiming to answer to a higher divine law will not do.

You can echo Gen Zia's contempt for the Constitution, but it only serves to highlight the arrogance of our military's history and those who support them in trashing the Constitution by claiming to defend the country and to answer to higher divine powers, not bolster your stand.

No disrespect intended, Sir.

 

[blain2]

I don't know the procedure in Pakistan on who has the authority to suspend the constitution and declare a state of emergency. If the SC has that authority, then the judges acted within the law. That, in no way, excuses Musharraf's actions to send the army to arrest SC judges who refused to toe his line.

If the judges acted within the law, then so did Musharraf as they approved the suspension of constitution at his behest.
The detention of judges has to be seen how it gets played out. I do not think that is a serious enough charge.

 

[Developereo]

If the judges acted within the law, then so did Musharraf as they approved the suspension of constitution at his behest.
The detention of judges has to be seen how it gets played out. I do not think that is a serious enough charge.

Funny. To me the detention of judges is the issue since everything else depends on that act.

It's like this: someone commits a crime, judge finds him guilty so he has the judge 'neutralized' and another judge sets him free.

Do you consider this behavior acceptable? From the country's top official?

 

[blain2]

Army Generals are subject to the requirements of the law, just like everyone else, Sir. And while your point about who else has been jailed may be a good one, we have to start somewhere with accountability, slowly and step by step.

Everyone will get judged on the Day of Reckoning by Allah, according to His laws, surely. But here on Earth, until the Day of Judgement, we will be judged by man-made laws by our own kind sitting in courts. Claiming to answer to a higher divine law will not do.

You can echo Gen Zia's contempt for the Constitution, but it only serves to highlight the arrogance of our military's history and those who support them in trashing the Constitution by claiming to defend the country and to answer to higher divine powers, not bolster your stand.

No disrespect intended, Sir.

See my comments above. I do not see him even breaking the man made laws of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Did the SC not sign the PCO and approve the constitution to be held in abeyance? So what right or wrong are we trying to apply here?

Lets start by putting all of these chaps, including Musharraf and his team, along with the SC Bench (the PCO judges) on trial if you want this to be fair for posterity sake.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

See my comments above. I do not see him even breaking the man made laws of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Did the SC not sign the PCO and approve the constitution to be held in abeyance? So what right or wrong are trying to apply here.

Lets start by putting all of these chaps, including Musharraf and his team, along with the SC Bench on trial.

But there is no higher legal authority in the country that the Supreme Court, so like it or not, we have to respect the highest court in the land and let it decide what right or wrong it will apply to this case.

 

[Mian H Amin.]

yeah after the his bail was refused in Islamabad high court, he ran away well but he cant run out of the country as his name is already in ECL ..

 

[Argus Panoptes]

yeah after the his bail was refused in Islamabad high court, he ran away well but he cant run out of the country as his name is already in ECL ..

ECL? Raymond Davis left the country straight from Lahore airport after the court topi drama despite being on the ECL due to his special "security escort". Gen Musharraf has the same protection too.

 

[blain2]

But there is no higher legal authority in the country that the Supreme Court, so like it or not, we have to respect the highest court in the land and let it decide what right or wrong it will apply to this case.

Not when the Supreme Court's Chief Justice and other bench members are a party to the case and guilty as well AND will have undue influence over even the non-PCO judges in the matter of Musharraf. You cannot expect a totally unbiased judge on the current bench given the reigning atmosphere. The judgements will be vindictive and biased.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

Not when the Supreme Court's Chief Justice and other bench members are a party to the case and guilty as well AND will have undue influence over even the non-PCO judges in the matter of Musharraf. You cannot expect a totally unbiased judge on the current bench given the reigning atmosphere. The judgements will be vindictive and biased.

That is only your opinion Sir, and not a legally established fact. Gen Musharraf will have to prove that the present judges are party to the case to the point where they must be recused. Until that happens, the present bench can hear the case.

 

[RazorMC]

I don't know the procedure in Pakistan on who has the authority to suspend the constitution and declare a state of emergency. If the SC has that authority, then the judges acted within the law. That, in no way, excuses Musharraf's actions to send the army to arrest SC judges who refused to toe his line.

They did toe his line earlier... what prevented from taking a moral stand then?
The fact that senior judges got worked up later on is a clear example of dubious standards in the courts.

I do not support what P.Musharraf did, but it's like pot calling the kettle black.

finally some justice this mass murderer should be thrown in jail

High-profile individuals are usually not thrown in jail, they probably just face house-arrest.

 

[blain2]

That is only your opinion Sir, and not a legally established fact. Gen Musharraf will have to prove that the present judges are party to the case to the point where they must be recused. Until that happens, the present bench can hear the case.

Well I am talking about the cases in the SC. Not the IHC case. Lets see how this story develops.

 

[Chrome9]

Not when the Supreme Court's Chief Justice and other bench members are a party to the case and guilty as well AND will have undue influence over even the non-PCO judges in the matter of Musharraf. You cannot expect a totally unbiased judge on the current bench given the reigning atmosphere. The judgements will be vindictive and biased.

Also supreme court hasn't issued this judgement, high court has - Musharraf has still the legal option to appeal to the SC. I'm with Blaine on this one - why does accountability start from the sacking of the judges? That's convenient, your conscious only kicks in when you or one of your own is removed but not in 1999 when a democratic government was oustered and the same judges took PCO. It's another pandora's box that should be opened AFTER the elcetions - not now.. it wasn't as if Musharraf was going to win any way.. but now this has just side tracked everything.

 

[pakdefender]

One is the number and location of strategic assets. And there procurement possibly from China/korea.
Second is A Q Khan angle, US, UK wants to know everything about his prior transactions of which he is privy.

One verbal threat from him would stop this train.

if he does something that stupid , he'll be put away very swiftly .. no questions asked