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Angry India tells US 'times have changed' after diplomat spat - The Times of India


NEW DELHI: India angrily brushed aside fresh efforts by the United States on Friday to defuse a row over the arrest and strip-search of one of its diplomats, warning Washington that "times have changed".

Diplomatic sources said Nancy Powell, the US ambassador to New Delhi, was holding talks with senior foreign ministry officials as part of efforts to resolve the crisis sparked by the December 12 arrest of Devyani Khobragade, India's deputy consul general at its mission in New York.

Powell's olive branch comes after top state department officials called their Indian counterparts for the third time in two days to try to draw a line under the controversy over accusations that Khobragade underpaid her maid in New York.

Subsequent revelations that Khobragade was stripped by US marshals and subjected to an invasive body search have caused outrage in India, whose government wants Washington to drop the case and offer an apology.

US secretary of state John Kerry has expressed "regret" and stressed the issue should not be allowed to derail a "vital relationship" - a message amplified in a phone call Thursday by state department number three Wendy Sherman to Indian foreign secretary Sujatha Singh.

"What we're focused on now ... is working to move the relationship forward," state department deputy spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters.

But there was no sign Friday that the calls had placated the government in India which sees itself as an emerging power that should be treated with respect by an ally such as the US.

"They should tender a clear apology. We will not accept this conduct against India under any circumstances," Parliamentary affairs minister Kamal Nath told reporters.

"The US has to understand that the world has changed, times have changed and India has changed.

"The conduct and attitude that the US has shown regarding the Devyani issue is a matter of concern not only for India but also for all countries and everyone should raise their voice."

Foreign minister Salman Khurshid said he expected to talk with Kerry later in the day in what is likely to be a tense phone call.

"The only question is what do you do when something happens that is irksome, that is hurtful and that is unacceptable," Khurshid told reporters after talks with Venezuela's visiting foreign minister.

"You've got to find a solution, and we hope we will find a solution." Keen to project a muscular image ahead of a general election due in May, the ruling Congress party has taken a strikingly hard line in the dispute.

The vice-president of the Bharatiya Janata Party, which is expected to win the election, also warned that India expected a full apology rather than expressions of regret.

"The US will have to apologize," Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi was quoted as saying by the Press Trust of India news agency.

"This is an extraordinary event and not about the US and India alone." The 39-year-old, who is now free on bail, was detained over allegations that she paid the domestic worker a small fraction of New York's minimum wage and lied about the employee's salary in a visa application.

US federal prosecutor Preet Bharara has insisted Khobragade was arrested in the "most discreet" way possible and that his sole motivation was to uphold the rule of law, protect victims and hold accountable anyone who breaks the law "no matter how powerful, rich or connected they are".

India is trying secure full diplomatic immunity for Khobragade by shifting her to its UN mission in New York, although such a move needs State Department approval.

A spokeswoman for the state department made clear in a briefing Thursday that the United States could not simply drop the case, as "the judicial process is independent" of the government.

The dispute is the second diplomatic flare-up between India and a major Western nation this year.

India reacted furiously in March when Italy reneged on a promise to fly two marines back to New Delhi to face trial over a fatal shooting.

The marines did eventually return after India ordered immigration authorities to prevent Italy's ambassador from leaving the country.
 
Regret not enough, US must apologise: Experts on Devyani arrest
December 20, 2013 03:08 IST

Former US administration officials and experts believe that the US must consider making a more formal apology admitting that the manner in which Devyani Khobragade was taken under arrest was a mistake and should have never happened. Aziz Haniffa reports
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A former senior official in the former United States President Bill Clinton’s administration has said that ‘regret’ just does not cut it and that the US is obligated to issue a full-throated unqualified apology for the way India’s Deputy Consul General in New York Devyani Khobragade was treated by law enforcement authorities.
Karl ‘Rick’ Inderfurth, erstwhile assistant secretary of state for South Asian affairs in the Clinton administration, told rediff.com, “The incident involving India’s deputy consul general was outrageous, deplorable and inexcusable. Period. Full stop.”

He said, “The initial State Department response was unacceptable and decidedly undiplomatic, saying US officials were merely following ‘standard procedures’ and the provisions of the Vienna Convention.”
Inderfurth said, “Falling back on legalisms was totally tone deaf.”
He acknowledged that “Secretary (of State John F) Kerry’s phone call to National Security Adviser (Shiv Shankar) Menon expressing regret was helpful, but not sufficient.”
“A formal US apology to Khobragade is called for -- as well as social and cultural sensitivity training for the US Marshalls Service and the State Department’s public affairs office,” Inderfurth added.
Echoing similar sentiments, Lisa Curtis, who heads the South Asia Programme at the conservative Heritage Foundation -- a WashingtonDC think tank -- told rediff.com, “The US took a small step to defuse the crisis when Secretary Kerry called National Security Adviser Menon to express regret about the situation. However, the gesture does not appear to have been sufficient to get relations back on an even keel.”

Curtis, a former Central Intelligence Agency analyst and ex-State Department and senior Congressional staffer, said, “The US must consider making a more formal apology admitting that the manner in which Devyani Khobragade was taken under arrest was a mistake and should have never happened.”
She said, “US officials seem to be reluctant to issue a formal apology because they fear it could jeopardize the legal process,” but she argued, “This concern will have to be weighed with the fact that India is an important friend of the US and that amends must be made for the sake of the relationship.”
Curtis, said, “The Obama administration could make the clear distinction that the mistake was not in making the arrest but rather in not applying appropriate diplomatic protocol during the arrest.”
She acknowledged, “There are still many unanswered questions about the case. The Indian government claims the maid was gaming the US system to obtain visas for herself and her family members. The maid's lawyer, on the other hand, claims she was being mistreated and is portraying it as a human trafficking case.”

Be that as it may, Curtis said, “The US still has time to rectify the problem by issuing a formal apology. At the same time, India should cool down its rhetoric and restore the security barriers around the US embassy.”

Curtis, currently visiting India noted, “Several Indians, while upset about the treatment of Khobragade, view the removal of the security barriers as a petty step by the Indian government.”

She bemoaned that “the diplomatic spat has already escalated far beyond what it ever should have, and it is time to arrest the downward spiral,” and added, “The US and India have a broad and important agenda to attend to. It would be highly unfortunate if this issue impedes that agenda.”
 
Exclusive! Kerry, Burns, Biswal not informed of action against Khobragade
December 18, 2013 11:56 IST

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The investigation into and action being taken by the US State Department's Diplomatic Security Service against Dr Devyani Khobragade were not shared with Secretary of State John F Kerry, Deputy Secretary of State William Burns or Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia Nisha Desai Biswal, reveals Rediff.com's Aziz Haniffa from Washington, DC.
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enior American administration and law enforcement sources have told Rediff.com that the political and career leadership at the State Department -- from Secretary of State John F Kerry, down to Deputy Secretary of State William Burns and the newly minted Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia, Nisha Desai Biswal -- had absolutely no clue that at the time they were meeting with Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh, that an arrest warrant was being prepared by US Attorney Preet Bharara's office to arrest India's Deputy Consul General in New York Devyani Khobragade, left, on visa fraud charges -- on the strength of an affidavit provided it by the State Department.
Ironically, at the time Kerry dropped in at the meeting between Burns and Singh and the respective delegations, and both sides were appreciating the camaraderie between Washington and New Delhi -- so much so that India officials said, "The partnership has reached a level where you can discuss pretty much anything, including issues where there are differences in perspective" -- unbeknownst to them, US Magistrate Judge for the Southern District of New York Debra Freeman had signed off on the warrant requested by Bharara for US Marshalls to arrest, handcuff and strip-search Dr Khobragade, which action set off an unprecedented diplomatic row between India and the US.
The sources said that the investigation into the alleged fraud, conducted by Special Agent Mark J Smith with the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service, had been going on for over a year.
The DSS was working in concert with the State Department's consular services bureau, which in turn had alerted the Indian embassy in September that such an investigation against Dr Khobragade was under way and action could be taken for violation of US laws.
However, this information and its gravity of an imminent arrest had not reached those dealing with India like Burns and Biswal or Sujatha Singh's diplomatic counterpart, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman.
Like it happened during the Benghazi fiasco, where then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was not informed of the security concerns expressed by Ambassador Chris Stevens, the US envoy to Libya, who was later killed along with three other Americans by terrorists who stormed the Benghazi consulate, the investigation and action being formulated by the DSS against Dr Khobragade had not been conveyed to Burns, Sherman or Biswal.
Evidently, Special Agent Smith had scrupulously prepared his case anticipating the fallout from an arrest of a diplomat like Dr Khobragade.
His affidavit submitted to Bharara's office says how besides reviewing dutifully the official database of the Department of State, he had also checked with the latter's protocol section which, he said, is 'the entity that accredits foreign diplomats and determines immunity levels. And I know that Khobragade enjoys limited diplomatic immunity with respect to only those acts undertaken in her official capacity.'
Thus, when Burns and Biswal came to know of the Khobragade case as everyone else did through news reports, the horse had already left the barn, or as one diplomatic observer told this correspondent, "The shit had hit the fan," with New Delhi taking a set of actions unprecedented in the annals of the US-India diplomatic and political experience.
Burns and Biswal and US Ambassador in New Delhi Nancy Powell are in full damage control mode. Kerry, travelling in Southeast Asia, has been made aware of the diplomatic and political spat.
The State Department officials have appealed to Delhi for understanding, and are in constant touch with their counterparts at the ministry of external affairs.
Since the matter is now sub judice, the State Department officials have to be extremely scrupulous about their statements as even a tinge of apology would mean they are questioning the very investigation carried on by the very agency they belong to and more importantly could have implications on the case when it is heard.
Thus, one source told Rediff.com, "There is absolutely no way, let alone a formal apology, even anything close to what can be construed as an apology will be made."
What was giving likely worry lines to Burns, Biswal and other senior officials who deal with India was that it could only get worse as the case proceeds, once Bharara's office begins its prosecution for the alleged charges against Dr Khobragade, which, if proven, could result in 10 or five years imprisonment.
One way out for Dr Khobragade, a source acknowledged, may have been that once the State Department alerted the Indian embassy that action was imminent against her -- as the State Department claims it did -- for the diplomat to have immediately packed her bags "and gotten the hell out of the US."
According to this source, "In such a scenario, the case would have fallen flat, because can you imagine what India would have said if the US called for her extradition? They would have told the US to go take a hike."
Now that avenue is closed because Dr Khobragade has had to surrender her passport. Her travel within the US is restricted and permitted only with the court's prior approval.
 
USA will not apologize.
We should reconsider our relations with US, no military/strategic stuff only trade.


USA will have to apologize....

They will have to set free Devyani Khobragade

Indian government has gone far ....to the point of no return...

So US will have to bend ....

US is too hypocrite country ....it will swallow its pride & vomit an apology ....to keep this relationship !!!
 
USA will have to apologize....

They will have to set free Devyani Khobragade

Indian government has gone far ....to the point of no return...

So US will have to bend ....

US is too hypocrite country ....it will swallow its pride & vomit an apology ....to keep this relationship !!!

Whether they apologize or not we should still move away from US,beside this whole drama seems to be premeditated by US to send a clear message to India.
 
Whether they apologize or not we should still move away from US,beside this whole drama seems to be premeditated by US to send a clear message to India.

US always keenly watching India advancements in all field including science and technology.In this world some countries US always treated as threat to it in all fields.Russia and China is already there,We can see with recent action, India is also in list.They always talk about befriending with India .but silently they watching us and our every moves.They will continue to do so .Because we are not their allies ,that take order from US.We cant trust US.Funny thing is our diplomats and other officials already know that.
 
Whether they apologize or not we should still move away from US,beside this whole drama seems to be premeditated by US to send a clear message to India.


all efforts that had been vested to build this relationship have been blown by this singular non-sensical incident ...

Indo -US ties have been dealt a body-blow ....

I agree India need to chart Independent course ....
 
Angry India tells US 'times have changed' after diplomat spat - The Times of India


NEW DELHI: India angrily brushed aside fresh efforts by the United States on Friday to defuse a row over the arrest and strip-search of one of its diplomats, warning Washington that "times have changed".

Diplomatic sources said Nancy Powell, the US ambassador to New Delhi, was holding talks with senior foreign ministry officials as part of efforts to resolve the crisis sparked by the December 12 arrest of Devyani Khobragade, India's deputy consul general at its mission in New York.

Powell's olive branch comes after top state department officials called their Indian counterparts for the third time in two days to try to draw a line under the controversy over accusations that Khobragade underpaid her maid in New York.

Subsequent revelations that Khobragade was stripped by US marshals and subjected to an invasive body search have caused outrage in India, whose government wants Washington to drop the case and offer an apology.

US secretary of state John Kerry has expressed "regret" and stressed the issue should not be allowed to derail a "vital relationship" - a message amplified in a phone call Thursday by state department number three Wendy Sherman to Indian foreign secretary Sujatha Singh.

"What we're focused on now ... is working to move the relationship forward," state department deputy spokeswoman Marie Harf told reporters.

But there was no sign Friday that the calls had placated the government in India which sees itself as an emerging power that should be treated with respect by an ally such as the US.

"They should tender a clear apology. We will not accept this conduct against India under any circumstances," Parliamentary affairs minister Kamal Nath told reporters.

"The US has to understand that the world has changed, times have changed and India has changed.

"The conduct and attitude that the US has shown regarding the Devyani issue is a matter of concern not only for India but also for all countries and everyone should raise their voice."

Foreign minister Salman Khurshid said he expected to talk with Kerry later in the day in what is likely to be a tense phone call.

"The only question is what do you do when something happens that is irksome, that is hurtful and that is unacceptable," Khurshid told reporters after talks with Venezuela's visiting foreign minister.

"You've got to find a solution, and we hope we will find a solution." Keen to project a muscular image ahead of a general election due in May, the ruling Congress party has taken a strikingly hard line in the dispute.

The vice-president of the Bharatiya Janata Party, which is expected to win the election, also warned that India expected a full apology rather than expressions of regret.

"The US will have to apologize," Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi was quoted as saying by the Press Trust of India news agency.

"This is an extraordinary event and not about the US and India alone." The 39-year-old, who is now free on bail, was detained over allegations that she paid the domestic worker a small fraction of New York's minimum wage and lied about the employee's salary in a visa application.

US federal prosecutor Preet Bharara has insisted Khobragade was arrested in the "most discreet" way possible and that his sole motivation was to uphold the rule of law, protect victims and hold accountable anyone who breaks the law "no matter how powerful, rich or connected they are".

India is trying secure full diplomatic immunity for Khobragade by shifting her to its UN mission in New York, although such a move needs State Department approval.

A spokeswoman for the state department made clear in a briefing Thursday that the United States could not simply drop the case, as "the judicial process is independent" of the government.

The dispute is the second diplomatic flare-up between India and a major Western nation this year.

India reacted furiously in March when Italy reneged on a promise to fly two marines back to New Delhi to face trial over a fatal shooting.

The marines did eventually return after India ordered immigration authorities to prevent Italy's ambassador from leaving the country.

what is they mean by 'times have changed'?I cant understand ,@Indo-guy
 
US always keenly watching India advancements in all field including science and technology.In this world some countries US always treated as threat to it in all fields.Russia and China is already there,We can see with recent action, India is also in list.They always talk about befriending with India .but silently they watching us and our every moves.They will continue to do so .Because we are not their allies ,that take order from US.We cant trust US.Funny thing is our diplomats and other officials already know that.


This incident is a wake up call for all those who have been advocates of closer Indo-US ties ...

Time and again US has proved it is not a reliable partner ....


India need to rethink about its foreign policy ....

and need to review its ties with US ....not in Hot headed way but in cool way ....

This incidence has given us that opportunity ....
 
USA will not apologize.
We should reconsider our relations with US, no military/strategic stuff only trade.

Apology or not, I am always against buying key military equipment like fighter planes from USA, they are an unreliable partner. And for friendship, friendship with US means enmity with rest of the world, at least with most part of the world, it is already costing us our relations with Iran, Russia, etc. Too much of friendship with US is a bad idea, they don't believe in friendship, you are a friend as long as you are an US lackey.
 
i saw it on tv myself,kamal nath was not even angry!!lol

he said it in a very cheerful and casual manner,misleading headline
 
what is they mean by 'times have changed'?I cant understand ,@Indo-guy

Times have changed ...refers to change in Global scenario ....US is no longer Sole superpower as it use to be till last decade ....and so it will no longer will be able to force its wishes and conduct over other ...

India is not just a third world country anymore and has enough clout to withstand US bullying ....

i saw it on tv myself,kamal nath was not even angry!!lol

he said it in a very cheerful and casual manner,misleading headline


Although he does not appear very angry, he does not look Cheerful and casual either in this particular video. May be Kamal Nath Rai's face is like that ...

 
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USA will have to apologize....

They will have to set free Devyani Khobragade

Indian government has gone far ....to the point of no return...

So US will have to bend ....

US is too hypocrite country ....it will swallow its pride & vomit an apology ....to keep this relationship !!!

It is my personal opinion. India should get Dr. Devyani to home sooner. But the case should go on on generalization applicable to every countries embassy in US. This will be interesting. If the court decides in favour of DA Preet then all hell will break loose. As most of the poor nations cannot afford to pay US salary to their employees and will have to close their embassy or trim it. Even countries like China, Pakistan will be affected.

Then only US will change it through legislation and DA will have to bite the dust!!

And I am sure the maid from now onwards will work in the house of DA.....and one day frame him also.... :D
 
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Times have changed ...refers to change in Global scenario ....US is no longer Sole superpower as it use to be till last decade ....and so it will no longer will be able to force its wishes and conduct over other ...

India is not just a third world country anymore and has enough clout to withstand US bullying ....




Although he does not appear very angry, he does not look Cheerful and casual either in this particular video. May be Kamal Nath Rai's face is like that ...

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It is my personal opinion. India should get Dr. Devyani to home sooner. But the case should go on on generalization applicable to every countries embassy in US. This will be interesting. If the court decides in favour of DA Preet then all hell will break loose. As most of the poor nations cannot afford to pay US salary to their employees and will have to close their embassy or trim it. Even countries like China, Pakistan will be affected.

Then only US will change it through legislation and DA will have to bite the dust!!

And I am sure the maid from now onwards will work in the house of DA.....and one day frame him also.... :D


fucking americans

1$=62 inr

do they know this or not??
she was getting 30,000 inr per month plus free food and lodging.

what more should a maid get??disgusting
 

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