in a future conflict with india will pakistans lack of Naval assests cost it defeat?

[Slayer786]

just lots of speculations. Pak missiles can play an important part. And then we have tactical nukes. So india knows the war wont achieve it any victory. It will be MAD for both countries to go to war.

 

[rockstar08]

Pakistan need to get more subs , and 2 type 54a on lease

 

[danger007]

Not a chance, say hello to new kid on the block.

waaaaaw genius. . We are talking about navy .. but you are bringing AF. . talking like we don't have an AF. . Do you think PAF will split their assets for IN and IAF.

 

[Basel]

Pakistan Navy is weak but they are acquiring systems which allow them to fulfill their given mandate, two most important assets PN have are P-3s & Agosta-90Bs they can take on any foe at sea and will be biggest threat to IN and they will be supported by other assets too like surface ships, also must remember PN is now also using local & foreign made UAVs to detect enemy at sea so over the horizon detection is not that big issue now.

There are other air assets also available to PN not just P-3s, but P-3s are long endurance ones.

EMT Luna X-2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US have provided these UAVs to Pakistan PN may also be able to use them too.

Boeing Insitu ScanEagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[danger007]

just lots of speculations. Pak missiles can play an important part. And then we have tactical nukes. So india knows the war wont achieve it any victory. It will be MAD for both countries to go to war.

again Nukes ... wakey

Pakistan Navy is weak but they are acquiring systems which allow them to fulfill their given mandate, two most important assets PN have are P-3s & Agosta-90Bs they can take on any foe at sea and will be biggest threat to IN and they will be supported by other assets too like surface ships, also must remember PN is now also using local & foreign made UAVs to detect enemy at sea so over the horizon detection is not that big issue now.

There are other air assets are also available to PN not just P-3s, but they are long endurance ones.

EMT Luna X-2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US have provided these UAVs to Pakistan PN may also be able to use them too.

Boeing Insitu ScanEagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

actually we got more potent P-8I.. advanced than orions. .

 

[Soumitra]

It's so easy isn't it, just so easy for a Navy to impose sea denial. Well except it's not. Here's why:

Firstly, The range of any ground/ship based radar in detecting surface targets is severely limited by the curvature of the Earth. The maximum range at which a radar can detect a ship or any other vessel/structure on the surface is given by :

where D is in Km and both h are in Meters.

The mast of INS Shivalik is around 15 meters above the water-line. Assuming ground radar at 100m elevation(unlikely), the maximum radar detection range comes out to be 38.3 Km, irrespective of their maximum quoted range. In other words, your ground radar networks are useless in detecting an IN fleet out at 300 km.

Unless PN or PAF commits an Erieye or equivalent, there is almost no chance for the PN to detect, let alone track, an IN warship.

Secondly, the IN in a wargame commited IN assets to try and detect the INS Satpura, and found none of its assets capable of detecting it beyond 100 km. And I'll bet my money on the IN having far superior maritime surveillance capabilities than the PN anyday.

The third problem is wrt the usage of the PN sub fleet. The SSKs (Agosta 90B) are definitely a serious threat. But they'd need atleast a rudimentary idea of the location of the IN ships to move to intercept. The PN subs cannot attempt to chase down the IN ships, they'll have to rely on ambushes. The SSK speeds using AIP ranges anywhere from 3-8 Knots, compared with 25+ knots of IN fleet, making it impossible to chase down IN ships.

So how do you propose to keep IN 300 km out????

@Windjammer, since you claim to take into account all possibilities, please do advise on how you intend to bypass these problems...

Nice technical explanation

 

[Windjammer]

waaaaaw genius. . We are talking about navy .. but you are bringing AF. . talking like we don't have an AF. . Do you PAF will split their assets for IN and IAF.

Sometimes it's better to remain quite than to mouth off without knowing jack on the psyche of the post.
And yes, this is PAF asset designed for Naval operations.......Genius.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Pakistan Navy is weak but they are acquiring systems which allow them to fulfill their given mandate, two most important assets PN have are P-3s & Agosta-90Bs they can take on any foe at sea and will be biggest threat to IN and they will be supported by other assets too like surface ships, also must remember PN is now also using local & foreign made UAVs to detect enemy at sea so over the horizon detection is not that big issue now.

There are other air assets also available to PN not just P-3s, but P-3s are long endurance ones.

EMT Luna X-2000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US have provided these UAVs to Pakistan PN may also be able to use them too.

Boeing Insitu ScanEagle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

India will have Poseidon.. most advanced ones. also we have a dedicated fleet of 45 mig29

 

[Basel]

actually we got more potent P-8I.. advanced than orions.

They are not going to fight each other so we don't have to worry and IN knows how potent threat P-3s with Agosta will be specially in NCW environment and PN is also interested in SAM which can be launched from subs submerged. PN is trained by US on NCW fighting capability so they will be very potent in this as they don't have to take control of vast sea.

India will have Poseidon.. most advanced ones. also we have a dedicated fleet of 45 mig29

PAF will be providing air cover and who knows your IAF & IN have to face sino flankers with other PAF assets at sea.

 

[danger007]

Sometimes it's better to remain quite than to mouth off without knowing jack on the psyche of the post.
And yes, this is PAF asset designed for Naval operations.......Genius.

lol.. butt hurt... Can the PAF split it's assets to defend navy .. but IN got enough Air wing ... I never claimed foul.. unlike someone here ..

They are not going to fight each other so we don't have to worry and IN knows how potent threat P-3s with Agosta will be specially in NCW environment and PN is also interested in SAM which can be launched from subs submerged. PN is trained by US on NCW fighting capability so they will be very potent in this as they don't have to take control of vast sea.



PAF will be providing air cover and who knows your IAF & IN have to face sino flankers with other PAF assets at sea.

lol again dragged China here.. Poseidon is advanced than onions ..

 

[Basel]

lol again dragged China here.. Poseidon is advanced than onions ..

Second part of your sentence just showed you don't know how sea battle are fought so please stop trolling and when a Pakistani say on PDF that sino flankers can be available to PAF it is because there are many undisclosed understandings between China and Pakistan and there is a reason PAF pilots are flying them since long in China and they are definitely not flying them just to know them.

IN is a powerful foe but it does not mean that PN can not fulfill its mandate given to it and its opposite to what IN mandate is.

 

[Friei Indien]

Not a chance, say hello to new kid on the block.

hello chinese junk

 

[Echo_419]

just lots of speculations. Pak missiles can play an important part. And then we have tactical nukes. So india knows the war wont achieve it any victory. It will be MAD for both countries to go to war.

You are gonna tactical nukes to counter a naval force & don't forget we have them to
@he-man AAP toh dur ki sochte ho

 

[danger007]

Second part of your sentence just showed you don't know how sea battle are fought so please stop trolling and when a Pakistani say on PDF that sino flankers can be available to PAF it is because there are many undisclosed understandings between China and Pakistan and there is a reason PAF pilots are flying them since long in China and they are definitely not flying them just to know them.

IN is a powerful foe but it does not mean that PN can not fulfill its mandate given to it and its opposite to what IN mandate is.

What???? USA replacing Orions with Poseidon. .. you are referring Orions wrt IN subs... I'm referring poseidon towards your subs.. you are talking like IN never get trained with other Navies
.... And Chinese flankers and IAF flankers are too different. .. IAF training Singapore F 16's. .m

 

[Windjammer]

lol.. butt hurt... Can the PAF split it's assets to defend navy .. but IN got enough Air wing ... I never claimed foul.. unlike someone here ..

Not butt hurt but you habitually talking through your backside, as you seem quite incompetent to even remotley understand PAF's doctrine, let me spoon feed you, ....PAF has an established dedicated maritime strike squadron equipped with Mirage-5PA-3s exclusively armed with AM-39 Exocet ASMs for this role which in due course will be supplemented with C-802A armed JF-17s. While PN has it's own naval wing of apart from others, Harpoon armed P-3C Orion.