North Korea US Tension - News & Discussion

[shadows888]

excellent journalism. this is why the u.s will eradicate the threat now.

nope, trump is too scared and nothing will happen. just watch : )

 

[DJ_Viper]

Unconfirmed reports that North Korea has just tested a Missile. This is a developing story and will be updated shortly.

The title needs to change. NK "attempted" to test a missile. But like 80% of her other "new" missile tests, this one failed also and exploded almost right after the takeoff! This isn't called testing a missile. This is a failed attempted test.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39612095

 

[shadows888]

USA should act fast to stop the threat from North Korea which is expected to become more pronounced in the coming weeks. North Korea is moving fast to mate its ICBM with nukes (probably with help from PLA across the border)

i bet USA will do nothing. as always.

 

[LeGenD]

What type of nuclear weapon?

B61-12

@Gomig-21
This is no easy fish to fry

This is why I was thinking about SK! Although it is true that it has a capable and modern armed forces, it is still vulnerable.. and both the N&S Koreans will be the main victims of a conflict..
North Korea's Threats come always with the US-SK military drills, one can be sure that neither Russia nor China agree with this US presence either..Hence we see Topol like new ICBMs, DF-XXs MRBMs and much more new NK systems.. there was also a BM missile test (NK missiles use solid fuel now), and a promise to do another nuclear test in a time chosen by NK.. it seems it has restrained itself in this regard following China's economic threats..

That is text-book example of a paper-tiger.

That stuff looks impressive in a parade but quality is questionable, and success in the battlefield depends upon how much you know about the enemy and what you can do about it.

American surveillance of Korean peninsula is so extensive that they tend to be aware of almost everything happening there. And when you know that much, you can destroy the enemy without much effort. Here: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/a-look-at-american-surveillance-of-north-korea.489747/

The only deterrence is a 'major humanitarian crises' that will ensue once NK meets its end.

 

[TaiShang]

Will ‘Mother of All Bombs’ scare NK?
Source:Global Times Published: 2017/4/14

The US on Thursday dropped the "Mother of All Bombs" - the most powerful nonnuclear bomb used by the US so far - on an Islamic State cave complex in Afghanistan.

Trump said Thursday that the mission was "very successful" and that he does not know whether the bomb will send a message to North Korea.

In less than three months since Trump's inauguration, the US military has launched at least two strikes that grabbed the world's attention, the first being the airstrike on a Syrian airfield, and the second being the use of "Mother of All Bombs" in Afghanistan. Trump uses military force more aggressively than Barack Obama. He has demonstrated a certain level of obsession and pride toward US military prowess.

Even for George W. Bush, who fought two wars during his presidency, every attack had to go through lengthy procedures, and starts of war had been widely expected. However, the two recent attacks came rather abruptly. With this frequency and speed in use of force, Trump may go down in history as the "war president."

"Mother of All Bombs" is a vicious weapon that consumes a large amount of oxygen during explosion. Because of its devastative capability, the actual probability of hurting the civilians is very high. The US in the past has killed and injured civilians in its attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan. The use of "Mother of All Bombs" showed Washington is turning a blind eye on civilian casualties.

This bombing is clearly aimed at testing the weapon in real combat and provides a new gimmick in US military deterrence. North Korea must have felt the shock wave traveling all the way from Afghanistan. It would be nice if the bomb could frighten Pyongyang but its actual impact may just be the opposite.

Pyongyang's logic in the recent years has been that, without nuclear weapons, what happened to Saddam and Gaddafi would befall its own administration. The "Mother of All Bombs" may once again misguide Pyongyang, leading it to believe that it is crucial to upgrade its explosives.

It's been widely speculated that North Korea is preparing for its sixth nuclear test and its leader Kim Jong-un is weighing his options. The message sent by the US military is not conducive to helping Pyongyang make a reasonable decision.

It has been reported that Russia owns a similar device called the "father of all bombs." Imagine how the US and the West would react if Russia drops that bomb on the Islamic State during its Syrian airstrikes.

The US seems to enjoy a privilege to do whatever it likes. To the world, this could bring more danger than security.

@vostok , @Chinese-Dragon , @Jlaw , @ahojunk

 

[BHarwana]

The Missile test was done on the east coast of N.Korea the site is from where N.Korea usually test its submarine launched missile.

 

[powastick]

It seems that the "father of all bombs" is the strongest conventional bomb. While MOAB wins in weight. MOAB yields 11 ton TNT that's 0.011 kt, very strong among conventional bombs but don't compare with nukes which yield in order of kilotons, thermonukes even go megatons

 

[TaiShang]

The US very clearly wishes to force the DPRK to do something stupid so that it would achieve legitimacy for a response (if no China, of course, legitimacy would be the last thing they cared about).

 

[Oldman1]

Why would I be surprised about that?



Makes sense. It just seems much easier said than done, especially when the blast is underground or sea.

It is a lot easier since the ocean and ground cannot contain such explosion. When you see the bomb explode underground it displace alot of dirt and blow it into the air along with radiation. Same for water. Can't contain blast wave that goes miles in all direction.

 

[Oldman1]

I shouldn't say I was skeptical when it was first revealed the US might be using electronic warfare to disrupt North Korea's missile programs because I believed they would or at least could, I guess just felt the claims where a bit magnified or exaggerated. More media puff then substance.

But given the extremely high failure rate of North Korea's missiles, it looks far more plausible that the US is doing something to interrupt or interfere with their development and success.

And lets not disparage the North Korea's or their industrial industries. That hermit country does produce semi-conductors, industrial robots, fiber-optical systems and consumer electronics. They're more late 90s, early 2000s for the most part, but a number of their indigenous designs or those who have used Russian or Chinese systems as a springboard do show a surprising level of sophistication. It's not as if North Korea is stuck in the 60s or 70s.

They have been successful in mating a Russian R-27 SLBM to a domestic SSB, also derived, but not copied from a Russian design.

They aren't stupid in the North so the string of failures shouldn't be expected to last. I'm beginning to put more credence in the US claim of cyber interference. So called "left-of-launch" tactics.

Mere speculation. No evidence that there was sabotage. And there were some success by North Korea in testing ballistic missiles.

 

[BHarwana]

North Korea has not admitted of doing any test and USA is saying that there is not data available about the test. there is some thing fishy going on here.

 

[Oldman1]

North Korea has not admitted of doing any test and USA is saying that there is not data available about the test. there is some thing fishy going on here.

North Korea won't admit failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korea-north-korea-missile-test-ends-failure-231904230.html

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- A North Korean missile exploded during launch Sunday, U.S. and South Korean officials said, a high-profile failure that comes as a powerful U.S. aircraft supercarrier approaches the Korean Peninsula in a show of force.

It wasn't immediately clear what kind of missile was test-fired from the east coast city of Sinpo. But the failure will sting in Pyongyang because it comes a day after one of the biggest North Korean propaganda events of the year— celebrations of the 105th birthday of late North Korea founder Kim Il Sung, the current leader's grandfather.

The North's test firing can be seen as a message of defiance to the Trump administration in Washington, coming as it does on the day U.S. Vice President Mike Pence is set to arrive in Seoul for talks on North Korea.

President Donald Trump was uncharacteristically quiet about the failed launch. In a statement, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Trump and his military team "are aware of North Korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. The president has no further comment."

Washington and Seoul will try hard to figure out what exactly North Korea fired. This matters because while North Korea regularly launches short-range missiles, it is also developing mid-range and long-range missiles meant to target U.S. troops in Asia and, eventually, the U.S. mainland.

The ultimate goal is to have a full array of nuclear-tipped missiles in response to what Pyongyang says is hostility by Washington and Seoul meant to topple its government. North Korea is thought to have a small arsenal of atomic bombs and an impressive array of short- and medium-range missiles.

 

[BHarwana]

North Korea won't admit failure.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-korea-north-korea-missile-test-ends-failure-231904230.html

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- A North Korean missile exploded during launch Sunday, U.S. and South Korean officials said, a high-profile failure that comes as a powerful U.S. aircraft supercarrier approaches the Korean Peninsula in a show of force.

It wasn't immediately clear what kind of missile was test-fired from the east coast city of Sinpo. But the failure will sting in Pyongyang because it comes a day after one of the biggest North Korean propaganda events of the year— celebrations of the 105th birthday of late North Korea founder Kim Il Sung, the current leader's grandfather.

The North's test firing can be seen as a message of defiance to the Trump administration in Washington, coming as it does on the day U.S. Vice President Mike Pence is set to arrive in Seoul for talks on North Korea.

President Donald Trump was uncharacteristically quiet about the failed launch. In a statement, Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said Trump and his military team "are aware of North Korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. The president has no further comment."

Washington and Seoul will try hard to figure out what exactly North Korea fired. This matters because while North Korea regularly launches short-range missiles, it is also developing mid-range and long-range missiles meant to target U.S. troops in Asia and, eventually, the U.S. mainland.

The ultimate goal is to have a full array of nuclear-tipped missiles in response to what Pyongyang says is hostility by Washington and Seoul meant to topple its government. North Korea is thought to have a small arsenal of atomic bombs and an impressive array of short- and medium-range missiles.

That is what I am saying

Where is the Data from the USA and South Korea about the test?

 

[powastick]

The US very clearly wishes to force the DPRK to do something stupid so that it would achieve legitimacy for a response (if no China, of course, legitimacy would be the last thing they cared about).

Probably, but they could also launch a false flag attack on South Korea to legitimize war.

 

[T-Rex]

It has the opposite effect. It has only hardened Kim's resolve.