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Did Saiful Azam move back to Pakistan? or was he just visiting? Who knows if he had flown in 71, he may have become an ace too.

I think one of the RB57s were damaged by Indian missiles after the war . i remember seeing a painting to this effect.

Women fighter pilots - good for the PAF! good for Pakistan. But India is a poor country. we cannot afford to have a fighter pilot trained and who is more likely to be out of flying fighter category within nine years time (or less) need atleast an year off when they are having babies, and...

no disprespect to Tom Cooper . He usually does a good job colalting and analysing information but his sources are all secondary - published articles etc. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORCES/Army/History/1965War/PDF/1965Chapter09.pdf Go to page 251 "Fg Offr Gandhi had fired at one...

Whether he is pakistani or paf is immaterial. judge the content , not the author. and i felt he was quite accurate . unfortunately his old site with all the tables etc is down.

Dude.. acig numbers are soooo outdated for both sides. take for example, the indian kills it is accepted that between the three, only two sabres were shot down ditto for the pakistani version sajad haider pretty much devastates the above claims in his book.

Sajad Haider writes about the raghavendran article in his book as well.

Good atleast you are reading it now. I will ignore whatever intentions you attribute to me.. but the bottom line is - they are still unrecognised by the PAF.. Fat chance :D

no... i wont GO AWAY.. as you put it. Check your PAF history again. they officially state that 35 in total were killed . :devil: Now the thing is, I see all these pages of PAF shaheeds on the internet and in books. What exactly did these 35 poor souls do not to be included in any list...

spoken too soon. Your PAF History 1988 book Saga of Courage and Honour apparently lists Mustafa's name and shows him as having been awarded the SJ. Now i dont know (and dont care ) about why his wife wrote that. but its not 1994. His award was made much earlier if it appears in the 1988 book.

good for safi mustafa. but atleast his recognition has come in 1994 - right? its not like it came to light when sajad haider wrote about it in 2009. that apart as i said earlier the thirty or so men who died with him are still unrecognised. not even their names are recorded in history.

unrecognized? He was recognised at that time itself - awarded the Sitara award just like Haider and the above. The truly unrecognized and unrewarded people were the 30 or 40 PAF MOU airmen that were with Mustafa and killed along with him. No one even knows their names.

what happened - did he have lose his leg in an accident?

Bingo, you got the definition of fanboys! if you dont like my posts, put me on ignore. but i wont STFU just because you get offended.

Actually I like the PAF. its the fanboys like you that I cant stand.

Why dont you just put me on ignore if you dont believe my posts. He said it on the forum. go search for it, I have better things to do. Yes my hobby is picking on PAFfanboys :cheesy:

ofcourse you only need to look here Pakistan Military Consortium :: www.PakDef.info http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce/1971war/images/Log-book-Salimudin.jpg :D Oh and Muradk has pretty much stated he is not salimuddin

That is Air Commodore Saleemuddin who shot down a Sukhoi in the 71 war. read the flurry of Mirage III articles i have recently posted.

why.the.dots.in.the.thread.title? :D

sajjad haider's book -> "wrong - we destroyed only two MiG-21s, not nine" .. funny thing is the cover shows a painting with ten migs burnign, while inside he says thats wrong claim.