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    Pakistan buys 13 F16 from Jordan

    In my opinion, a great portion of the blame also lies in our expectations. Arms deals to the third world aren't like a car sale, unless the Japanese government twists my arm and passively forces me to buy a Honda Civic, as a part of a wider deal in which they rebuild half my house, receive...
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    Possible steps to counter the rising threat from IAF ?

    The quality vs. quantity debate misses an important consideration: they both require a massive amount of funds. We, Pakistanis, have often found solace in the idea that we may not have the numbers, but we have quality. That quality was a direct result of the era in which the PAF was aided by the...
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    Why not MiGs

    There is more to this question than simply the presence of Migs in the IAF. The Migs trace their lineage to a diametrically opposed set of strategic and tactical considerations. The Soviet era Migs, to which the current derivatives owe their existence were meant to be easily replaceable and used...
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    Vikramditya & the IAC Vikrant Threat To Pakistan Waters

    I'm not sure what the relevance of such a topic has in the Indo-Pak scenario. An aircraft carrier is a tool for power projection over long distances. More than likely, the emerging IN fleet of aircraft carriers will be directed towards China. In times of heightened tensions or conflict with...
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    The debris of Kamra Attack dumped on three Junior Officers

    There should be no surprise at the lack of repercussions against the base commander. For a sensitive military base to be successfully attacked in a state of limited war (at least), even to the uninformed layman, shows a deeply flawed military complex. If the Pakistani armed forces were the type...
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    Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

    As interesting as the discussion on the true number of Erieye is, it has a tendency to overlook the irreparable damage the destruction of one or two or more systems has done to the PAF capabilities. I personally believe the lower number, pessimism being the trait most true to being Pakistani...
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    US violates Pakistan Airspace

    Really? Out of all things, this has got us all worked up? What is it with Pakistanis and fighter planes? Between the crippling sanctions of yesteryear, the OBL raid which was a full-fledged ground operation deep within Pakistani territory, and the sharp reduction in aid every time the Americans...
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    JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

    Further RCS reduction measures for the jf-17 don’t make much sense, moving forward. The lower the observability of an aircraft, the likelier it is to escape a hostile environment unscathed, so I do believe it is a crucial piece of the puzzle as far as the future of air combat is concerned...
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    Pakistan, IMF agree on $5.3 billion bailout package

    This isn't how loans on a national level are supposed to work. That we can barely pay interest on the loans we do have, alludes to the inability of successive governments to effectively invest the money. Loans procured by the Pakistani government are lost to greedy higher ups and the general...
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    Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

    To be honest, when I had initially written this post, I had mentioned Pakistan repeatedly. But I felt on this thread, the Egyptian cause deserved my full attention. I had assumed, due to my own struggle to keep Pakistani out of this, that my fellow country men would read 'Pakistani' every time I...
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    Egypt | Army Ousts Mursi govt, violence erupts | News & Discussions

    The military will always be one of the greatest hurdles for the establishment and growth of democracy. It is irrelevant if the nations are Muslim or Middle Eastern, the dominance of the military and its role in destroying the nation it is sworn to protect is the overarching storyline through out...
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    Export bids for JF-17 Thunder Multirole Lightweight Fighter Aircraft

    The jf-17 export potential will always be limited by the politicized nature of arms procurement. The Egyptians settled on peace with Israel and were beneficiaries of a large force of f-16s, the Israelis themselves were gifted a few after they agreed to stay out of the first gulf war; Pakistan...
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    TTs Future Direction?

    The problem with the TTs have to do with the inherent nature of an Internet forum. There is no accountability and it isn't a job that one has to perform at or risk losing his livelihood. On the Internet, one is free to come and go as he pleases. A large number of members sign up monthly and...
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    Pakistan suffers $100bn losses in ‘war on terror’

    You're right as usual. I understand the futility in talking of a utopia like Pakistan. Though these distant ideals are present and taken for granted in many parts of the world. So not so much distant as they are ignored ideals. But living in a nation as free and prosperous and accepting of...
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    Pakistan suffers $100bn losses in ‘war on terror’

    To look at war as an economic win or loss proposition while observing only one side is sheer folly. As much as we like to think otherwise and incompetent leaders like to prove otherwise, war is an investment. An investment that pays dividends not directly but through indirect avenues. Pakistanis...
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    Breaking News TTP Leader Wali ur Rahman killed in today's Drone Attack

    I have to disagree here. Granted the American drone strikes have caused the kind of collateral damage that can only result from a nation with no emotional investment in the area, but it is no more damaging than Pakistan's effort. For the misguided and easily swayed, any and every death is turned...
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    Most favoured nation status to India soon: Pakistan minister

    Good point. But my hope is that since we are talking about enlarging the proverbial pie, even the extremely corrupt will eventually come around to seeing its benefit. Corruption tends to be all about making quick and easy money...so if the largest power players ever come to the realization that...
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    Most favoured nation status to India soon: Pakistan minister

    This debate touches upon some important underlying issues regarding Pak-Indo trade. Having access to the Indian market theoretically changes the game for Pakistani companies. Suddenly, having a 10 times larger potential customer base borne out of thin air, with very similar values and customs is...
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    Bank heist in Chiniot

    In one of the grandest traditions of the third world. Governments use the police force to act as a filler for employing large number of young people that would otherwise be unemployed. Quantity takes precedence over quality. If the effectiveness and efficiency of the police force had any...
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    PAF officer-turned-J!hadi talks about his change of heart

    So much for serving the nation.I love how they planned to support local operations through money and arms; of course such unflinching patriots would never kill their own countrymen...they would just directly support those who would do the killing. I don't know how it's possible for the Taliban...

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