AMCA: Stalled

[thestringshredder]

AMCA: Stalled

With Ministry of Defence which now officially has put “ on hold ” country’s ambitions fifth generation stealth multirole fighter development AMCA project to fast track delays incurred by the ADA in development of LCA Tejas combat aircraft and to make sure no more delays are incurred in achieving IOC-2 and later FOC for the aircraft in time . Now details are emerging that IAF also wants ADA and HAL to concentrate more on development and testing of Tejas MK-2 before they can restart work on AMCA.

If MOD and IAF are able to stall work on AMCA again, while raising concern on development of Tejas MK-2, AMCA project will be delayed beyond 2022 for even first flight to occur and production will only start in 2028-30. Sources in IAF, we (idrw.org) spoke to, are worried with delays Lca project is facing and have raised concerns that they might be further delays in development of Tejas MK-2 before it hits production. MK-2 needs to be revalidated on many test points before it is put to production and turnaround time from first flight to MK-2 entering Production is quite narrow (2 years) they are concerns in IAF if ADA and HAL will be able to carry out all tests and development work in the time period, said another source.

Defence experts like Rakesh Sharma in past have raised concerns how whole AMCA Project has been moving forward without clear technical or consultation partner for the Project, Key decisions related to development of New Kaveri engine to power AMCA is still pending and needs to be fast tracked to avoid mistakes which were committed on Lca Project which is still powered by imported American engine.

Defence analyst like Vinayak shetty wants AMCA project to be fast tracked and advocate separate team of manpower and foreign technical partner to work on project. He also mentioned that “Development has to continue parallel to other projects (FGFA, LCA) and priority has to given to Air Staff requirements (ASR) issued by IAF to avoid any technical deficiency in the aircrafts, further avoiding delays in the project.


Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) will require around $2-billion for funding development of AMCA and have received initial funds to carry out design phase of the project , ADA will be developing Two Technology Demonstrators (TD) by 2020 to prove concept before work on Seven prototypes are carried out . AMCA is a single-seat; twin-engine fifth-generation stealth aircraft optimised for strike roles and will be replacing British made Jaguars in IAF service currently.

Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) unveiled a 1:8 scale model at Aero India 2013. Which has strong resemblance to Northrop Grumman developed YF-23 prototype that lost the Advanced Tactical Fighter competition to the Lockheed YF-22 in 1991 in what became the F-22 program. ADA hopes to equip the AMCA with a panoramic active-matrix cockpit display, triplex fly-by-light architecture with an optical-fiber-based digital flight-control computer, serpentine air intakes to suppress radar signature and Advance Aesa Radar.

ASR issued by IAF lead to new and improved aerodynamic optimisation of the aircraft, since IAF wants fully Stealth aircraft rather than near stealth aircraft which ADA was hoping IAF will settle for. AMCA will be in 16-18 tonnes class aircraft with 2-tonnes of internal weapons and four-tonnes of internal fuel with max speed of Mach 1.8.

Link - AMCA: Stalled | idrw.org

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Thank you for the news.

 

[special]

Thank you for the news.

it is on hold, not cancelled

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

it is on hold, not cancelled

Decade or 2 still a good good news...

 

[janon]

Wise decision. The need for an LCA is much more pressing and urgent than the need for an AMCA. Rafales and FGFAs can ameliorate the lack of an AMCA for some time. But there is no light fighter on the horizon to replace the hundreds of migs. Success of LCAs is crucial for the IAF's force structure.

 

[SQ8]

I keep saying it, forget the LCA because its now becoming a mill around the neck of the IAF.. the AMCA is the program to go for. The LCA production can be limited to 50 or so jets as that is all that should be needed.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I keep saying it, forget the LCA because its now becoming a mill around the neck of the IAF.. the AMCA is the program to go for. The LCA production can be limited to 50 or so jets as that is all that should be needed.

Will russia or any indian allied state go for such a project? because they cant pull it off alone.

 

[nomi007]

indian start work on tejas almost in 1980
still is in progress
it is better to start joint venture with south korea
or take assistant from israel

I keep saying it, forget the LCA because its now becoming a mill around the neck of the IAF.. the AMCA is the program to go for. The LCA production can be limited to 50 or so jets as that is all that should be needed.

tejas have no future

 

[Chanakyaa]

I keep saying it, forget the LCA because its now becoming a mill around the neck of the IAF.. the AMCA is the program to go for. The LCA production can be limited to 50 or so jets as that is all that should be needed.

Not Really. If You Think.

Stopping the JF17 Program and Going for J20s ( which still is under development ) wont make any sense.
Not Only Bcoz J20 is Not in production, BUT They Fit in Different Roles and Replace Different Aircraft.

India Needs LCA to Replace Mig 21s. Hence Its a perfect solution.

On a Sharp Contrast, to your statement above, India can afford to Hold/Even Cancel AMCA , as its already deeply involved in FGFA which suffices our needs and the delivery time is 2016-2018.

 

[janon]

I keep saying it, forget the LCA because its now becoming a mill around the neck of the IAF.. the AMCA is the program to go for. The LCA production can be limited to 50 or so jets as that is all that should be needed.

The IAF seems to think otherwise. It is they who are insisting on putting the AMCA on hold and getting the Tejas Mk2 ready first.

The IAF needs a cheap and light single engine fighter, if it wants to have 39+ squadrons. There is no other way to replace 260 mig 21s and 80 mig 27s cost effectively.

 

[Chanakyaa]

indian start work on tejas almost in 1980
still is in progress
it is better to start joint venture with south korea
or take assistant from israel


tejas have no future

Then I Must Say You Dont Know What Tejas Is.

I have a very Simple Question Can Your Scientists/Defence Labs Deliver - Made-In-Pakistan :

> Fly By Wire
> EW Suite
> Carbon Composites
> Doppler Radar
> BVR Missile
> Even a Low Performing Jet Engine
> Mission Computers

If No. Then Why Make Unnecessary Noise ?

( Dont Bring in JF17 here .. We have Done Much better Things Like Marut , MKI and Migs , if you know wht i mean )

LCA is a 100% Success.

LSP-8 – First flight trial completed in March 2013. LSP 8 is the version that will go for production.[1]
SP-1 to SP-40 – Planned to fly by late 2013. The SP-1 and SP-2 will be part of No. 45 Squadron (Flying Daggers) that will be based initially in Bangalore, Karnataka

 

[SQ8]

Not Really. If You Think.

Stopping the JF17 Program and Going for J20s ( which still is under development ) wont make any sense.
Not Only Bcoz J20 is Not in production, BUT They Fit in Different Roles and Replace Different Aircraft.

India Needs LCA to Replace Mig 21s. Hence Its a perfect solution.

On a Sharp Contrast, to your statement above, India can afford to Hold/Even Cancel AMCA , as its already deeply involved in FGFA which suffices our needs and the delivery time is 2016-2018.

One aircraft is flying and in operational service and the other is not even close to its IOC. Apples and oranges. The Tejas either needs to be pushed through whilst holding off on key tech so that at least the IAF starts force integration and logistic planning properly. And production can be started on the airframe while the electronics come through. After all, the Harrier, The Tornado ADV.. all flew without proper production electronics and went into service that way so that the RAF could start integration and some replacement of types could begin.

The IAF seems to think otherwise. It is they who are insisting on putting the AMCA on hold and getting the Tejas Mk2 ready first.

The IAF needs a cheap and light single engine fighter, if it wants to have 39+ squadrons. There is no other way to replace 260 mig 21s and 80 mig 27s cost effectively.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Not Really. If You Think.

Stopping the JF17 Program and Going for J20s ( which still is under development ) wont make any sense.
Not Only Bcoz J20 is Not in production, BUT They Fit in Different Roles and Replace Different Aircraft.

India Needs LCA to Replace Mig 21s. Hence Its a perfect solution.

On a Sharp Contrast, to your statement above, India can afford to Hold/Even Cancel AMCA , as its already deeply involved in FGFA which suffices our needs and the delivery time is 2016-2018.

The delivery time is 2020 at the earliest...

 

[Chanakyaa]

The delivery time is 2020 at the earliest...

No. Its 2014 .

The first aircraft will begin testing in India in 2014, with introduction into service expected by 2022.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...led-in-india-by-2014/articleshow/15555102.cms

 

[Chanakyaa]

One aircraft is flying and in operational service and the other is not even close to its IOC. Apples and oranges. The Tejas either needs to be pushed through whilst holding off on key tech so that at least the IAF starts force integration and logistic planning properly. And production can be started on the airframe while the electronics come through. After all, the Harrier, The Tornado ADV.. all flew without proper production electronics and went into service that way so that the RAF could start integration and some replacement of types could begin.

With All due respect,

Did you even understand my Post ?

I was explaining You Excessively FLAWED Post Regarding Scrapping LCA and Going for AMCA and I Brought forward the analogy that by no means you can Scrap JF17 for J20s.

( Do Note, that Both LCA and JF17 have been built , and delivered and both replace same kind of Aircraft F7s and Mig 21s and Both are Operational while All Fifth Gen Aircrafts Have A Different Roles and all are 10 Yrs away from getting Operational.

It would be wise to stay away from JF17s vs LCA here .)

Moreover, Plz Update Yourself.
LCA has Achieved IOC in 2011.

Initial Operating Clearance (IOC) for the Tejas was awarded on 10 January 2011 by Defence Minister A K Antony to Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal P V Naik. IOC allows IAF pilots to use the aircraft. The IAF plans to raise the first squadron in Bengaluru to iron out issues with ADA and HAL, and eventually base these fighters at Sulur Air Force Base, Coimbatore in the southern state of Tamil Nadu