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By ROBERT J. HERBOLD

Recently I flew from Los Angeles to China to attend a corporate board-of-directors meeting in Shanghai, as well as customer and government visits there and in Beijing. After the trip was over, in thinking about the United States and China, it was not clear to me which is the developed, and which is the developing, country.

Infrastructure: Let's face it, Los Angeles is decaying. Its airport is cramped and dirty, too small for the volume it tries to handle and in a state of disrepair. In contrast, the airports in Beijing and Shanghai are brand new, clean and incredibly spacious, with friendly, courteous staff galore. They are extremely well-designed to handle the large volume of air traffic needed to carry out global business these days.

In traveling the highways around Los Angeles to get to the airport, you are struck by the state of disrepair there, too. Of course, everyone knows California is bankrupt and that is probably the reason why. In contrast, the infrastructure in the major Chinese cities such as Shanghai and Beijing is absolute state-of-the-art and relatively new.

The congestion in the two cities is similar. In China, consumers are buying 18 million cars per year compared to 11 million in the U.S. China is working hard building roads to keep up with the gigantic demand for the automobile.

The just-completed Beijing to Shanghai high-speed rail link, which takes less than five hours for the 800-mile trip, is the crown jewel of China's current 5,000 miles of rail, set to grow to 10,000 miles in 2020. Compare that to decaying Amtrak.

The just-completed Beijing to Shanghai high-speed rail link is the crown jewel of China's current 5,000 miles of rail.
.Government Leadership: Here the differences are staggering. In every meeting we attended, with four different customers of our company as well as representatives from four different arms of the Chinese government, our hosts began their presentation with a brief discussion of China's new five-year-plan. This is the 12th five-year plan and it was announced in March 2011. Each of these groups reminded us that the new five-year plan is primarily focused on three things: 1) improving innovation in the country; 2) making significant improvements in the environmental footprint of China; and 3) continuing to create jobs to employ large numbers of people moving from rural to urban areas. Can you imagine the U.S. Congress and president emerging with a unified five-year plan that they actually achieve (like China typically does)?

The specificity of China's goals in each element of the five-year plan is impressive. For example, China plans to cut carbon emissions by 17% by 2016. In the same time frame, China's high-tech industries are to grow to 15% of the economy from 3% today.

Government Finances: This topic is, frankly, embarrassing. China manages its economy with incredible care and is sitting on trillions of dollars of reserves. In contrast, the U.S. government has managed its financials very poorly over the years and is flirting with a Greece-like catastrophe.

Human Rights/Free Speech: In this area, our American view is that China has a ton of work to do. Their view is that we are nuts for not blocking pornography and antigovernment points-of-view from our youth and citizens.

Technology and Innovation: To give you a feel for China's determination to become globally competitive in technology innovation, let me cite some statistics from two facilities we visited. Over the last 10 years, the Institute of Biophysics, an arm of the Chinese Academy of Science, has received very significant investment by the Chinese government. Today it consists of more than 3,000 talented scientists focused on doing world-class research in areas such as protein science, and brain and cognitive sciences.

We also visited the new Shanghai Advanced Research Institute, another arm of the Chinese Academy of Science. This gigantic science and technology park is under construction and today consists of four buildings, but it will grow to over 60 buildings on a large piece of land equivalent to about a third of a square mile. It is being staffed by Ph.D.-caliber researchers. Their goal statement is fairly straightforward: "To be a pioneer in the development of new technologies relevant to business."

All of the various institutes being run by the Chinese Academy of Science are going to be significantly increased in size, and staffing will be aided by a new recruiting program called "Ten Thousand Talents." This is an effort by the Chinese government to reach out to Chinese individuals who have been trained, and currently reside, outside China. They are focusing on those who are world-class in their technical abilities, primarily at the Ph.D. level, at work in various universities and science institutes abroad. In each year of this new five-year plan, the goal is to recruit 2,000 of these individuals to return to China.

Reasons and Cure: Given all of the above, I think you can see why I pose the fundamental question: Which is the developing country and which is the developed country? The next questions are: Why is this occurring and what should the U.S. do?

Let's face it—we are getting beaten because the U.S. government can't seem to make big improvements. Issues quickly get polarized, and then further polarized by the media, which needs extreme viewpoints to draw attention and increase audience size. The autocratic Chinese leadership gets things done fast (currently the autocrats seem to be highly effective).

What is the cure? Washington politicians and American voters need to snap to and realize they are getting beaten—and make big changes that put the U.S. back on track: Fix the budget and the burden of entitlements; implement an aggressive five-year debt-reduction plan, and start approving some winning plans. Wake up, America!

Mr. Herbold, a retired chief operating officer of Microsoft Corporation, is the managing director of The Herbold Group, LLC and author of "What's Holding You Back? Ten Bold Steps That Define Gutsy Leaders" (Wiley/Jossey-Bass, 2011).

Robert Herbold: China vs. America: Which Is the Developing Country? - WSJ.com
 
Already posted, I'll copy my response from the other thread.


I like reading the Wall Street Journal. But clearly China is the developing country, and America is the developed country.

Infrastructure: Let's face it, Los Angeles is decaying. Its airport is cramped and dirty, too small for the volume it tries to handle and in a state of disrepair. In contrast, the airports in Beijing and Shanghai are brand new, clean and incredibly spacious, with friendly, courteous staff galore. They are extremely well-designed to handle the large volume of air traffic needed to carry out global business these days.

Of course our infrastructure is nicer, because it is brand new!

Go out to the rural areas of China, and you will see that we still have a LOT of work to do before we become a developed country.
 
China is. Dumb question.

JY are the same in both China and the U.S. The grass is always greener on the otherside for some reasons. Just as the American form of governance won't work too well in China the Chinese form of governance will be disastrous in the U.S. I am not saying that the two countries couldn't learn from each other but the notion that blindly following another country's political/economical policies is absurd.
 
is this a joke?? obviously USA !! see the difference b/w per capita income, In China many are still starving , wide spread poverty and unemployment is still a menace in China!! It will take China hundred years to match the standard of living of an avg US citizen ,
 
is this a joke?? obviously USA !! see the difference b/w per capita income, In China many are still starving , wide spread poverty and unemployment is still a menace in China!! It will take China hundred years to match the standard of living of an avg US citizen ,

You are saying that the U.S. is the developing country?
 
read it properly with open eyes :lol: and try to figure out obvious in my post

You should open your eyes first. You said "the U.S. is" while the title of the thread is clearly "which is the developing country". Your comment clearly contradicted with the contents of your post. This shows a lack of basic comprehension of the English language.
 
US is "degrading" country...

Did it degrade Pakistan?

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Those who have not been to either US or China, please hold your comment.
 
You should open your eyes first. You said "the U.S. is" while the title of the thread is clearly "which is the developing country". Your comment clearly contradicted with the contents of your post. This shows a lack of basic comprehension of the English language.

no one is UKG student to not understand my post !! what is obvious from my Post is USA is a developed country since it has very very high standard of living as compared to avg Chinese, and china will take another 100 years to enjoy same standard and maybe centuries to enjoy same freedom and human rights...that is it
 
Yeah, it is a dumb question. Here are the facts:

China = Developing country

America = Highly developed country


Anyway this has already been posted in another thread, so no point debating it here.

The Chinese members here are trying to debunk an inaccurate WESTERN perception while some of our friends here still accuse of us of "chest thumping". Funny world isn't it.
 
no one is UKG student to not understand my post !! what is obvious from my Post is USA is a developed country since it has very very high standard of living as compared to avg Chinese, and china will take another 100 years to enjoy same standard and maybe centuries to enjoy same freedom and human rights...that is it

I see you are hearing lot of stories about "states"...

---------- Post added at 01:05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:04 PM ----------

The Chinese members here are trying to debunk an inaccurate WESTERN perception while some of our friends here still accuse of us of "chest thumping". Funny world isn't it.

So you are calling yourself idiot because you are doing all the chest thumping?
 
no one is UKG student to not understand my post !! what is obvious from my Post is USA is a developed country since it has very very high standard of living as compared to avg Chinese, and china will take another 100 years to enjoy same standard and maybe centuries to enjoy same freedom and human rights...that is it

The topic sentence of your post did not reflect the content of your message. Try writing a paper with the topic "The US is a developing country" and supporting your thesis with how developed the Americans are compared with the Chinese. My European History teacher would probably give you a zero and my U.S. History teacher, who is considerably more lenient, will probably give a 10 out of 100 just for your effort.
 

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