Guns of Pakistan

[angeldust]

I am something of a guns buff. I am fascinated by them. I love watching all the hardware shows on Discovery Science. But as you know, it really difficult owning one in India.

Not so in Pakistan. The Pakistani Constitution apparently guarantees every citizen the right to bear arms. And we all know about the huge black markets of Peshawar and Karachi where everything from an AK to an Uzi is available dirt cheap.

But recently I was watching a documentatry on gun makng in Pakistan, which is an old and flourishing cottage industry. I think it was either BBC or Al Jazeera.

The name of the place featured is somewhere near Peshawar - a place called Darra Adam Khel.

Man, you should see the type of stuff these old phattechd looking bearded babas make there. Nothing like the crude local kattas we see coming out of UP, MP etc.

These are proper authentic looking automatics with slick actions and even stamped like the originals. Seeing the karigari and the attention to detail, I was stunned and super impressed.

And they do this is jhuggi jhopdis man. With fire kilns. And small brick enclosures for fire testing.

Man this is one thing Pakistan is generations ahead of us. World class!!!!! Hats off.

I would love it if Pakistanis can contribute here with info and photos of these home made guns please. And approximate prices too. Including ammo.

 

[angeldust]

Just look at some of these photos!

 

[Icarus]

I bought a Dragunov (Real Russian) during my time in FATA. Set me back PKR 500,000.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

I bought a Dragunov (Real Russian) during my time in FATA. Set me back PKR 500,000.

pics?.............

 

[angeldust]

Yes man, pics please. Dragunov as in the sniper rifle?

Please don't mind the amateur questions. I am no expert.

I just love technology and their look and feel.

 

[Icarus]

Yes man, pics please. Dragunov as in the sniper rifle?

Please don't mind the amateur questions. I am no expert.

I just love technology and their look and feel.

Yes, exactly the same. I had to sell it when I came back because it was too much of a hassle trying to obtain a license for a sniper rifle in Islamabad.
Right now I own:

1) 2x AMD-65
2) 1x Ceska Brno Shotgun
3) 2x Hatsan Escort Semi Automatic Shotguns
4) 1x Baikal Shotgun (Model written in Russian)
5) 1x Norinco CF-98
6) 1x Taurus PT-92
7) 2x Astra Fircats
8) 1x Remington 1100 Shotgun
Previously Owned:

1) Saiga 12 Shotgun
2) Walther G22
3) AK-104
4) RPK-74
5) Winchester Defender

 

[angeldust]

Wow! Man that list without pictures is like the roster list of a Victoria's Secret catwalk.

But actually what you have listed are all firang guns. Impressive nonetheless but not what really impressed me.

See this is what we make here in the villages in India, variously called katta, ghoda, tamancha, etc. :

This is the variety (country made guns) I was talking about.

 

[karan.1970]

Yes, exactly the same. I had to sell it when I came back because it was too much of a hassle trying to obtain a license for a sniper rifle in Islamabad.
Right now I own:

1) 2x AMD-65
2) 1x Ceska Brno Shotgun
3) 2x Hatsan Escort Semi Automatic Shotguns
4) 1x Baikal Shotgun (Model written in Russian)
5) 1x Norinco CF-98
6) 1x Taurus PT-92
7) 2x Astra Fircats
8) 1x Remington 1100 Shotgun
Previously Owned:

1) Saiga 12 Shotgun
2) Walther G22
3) AK-104
4) RPK-74
5) Winchester Defender

You have a frikkin armory dude.. Will have to think twice before arguing with you again

 

[Icarus]

You have a frikkin armory dude.. Will have to think twice before arguing with you again

I'm a gun buff, what can I say! lol

 

[third eye]

Yes, exactly the same. I had to sell it when I came back because it was too much of a hassle trying to obtain a license for a sniper rifle in Islamabad.
Right now I own:

1) 2x AMD-65
2) 1x Ceska Brno Shotgun
3) 2x Hatsan Escort Semi Automatic Shotguns
4) 1x Baikal Shotgun (Model written in Russian)
5) 1x Norinco CF-98
6) 1x Taurus PT-92
7) 2x Astra Fircats
8) 1x Remington 1100 Shotgun
Previously Owned:

1) Saiga 12 Shotgun
2) Walther G22
3) AK-104
4) RPK-74
5) Winchester Defender

How many of these are licensed ?

Do you get an arms license for Semi Automatic weapons in Pak ?

What are there prohibited & Non Prohibited bores ?

How many weapons can a person officially keep ?

 

[Icarus]

Wow! Man that list without pictures is like the roster list of a Victoria's Secret catwalk.

But actually what you have listed are all firang guns. Impressive nonetheless but not what really impressed me.

See this is what we make here in the villages in India, variously called katta, ghoda, tamancha, etc. :

This is the variety (country made guns) I was talking about.

I had two Dara made copies of the Soviet TT pistol but one of them had started shooting towards the left and the other's ejector mechanism had developed a fault, so I had them repaired and sold them. PKR 4000 for one and PKR 5000 for the other.
BTW, Tamancha? That's what we call all pistols in Pushto!

How many of these are licensed ?

Do you get an arms license for Semi Automatic weapons in Pak ?

What are there prohibited & Non Prohibited bores ?

How many weapons can a person officially keep ?

They are all licensed. Technically a man can own as many weapons as he can afford in Pakistan, it makes for plenty of tax to keep them legal.
Automatic weapons require a license signed by the Prime Minister, it's a lengthy process, takes about a year or more with fairly high rejection rates.
All callibres from .22 to .45 are NPBs. Single action rifles are NPB. PBs are automatic rifles which usually fall within the 7mm callibre range.
BTW add:

1x .303 Jungle Carbine
1x Norinco Black Star Onix

To my list of available fire arms, I had almost forgotten them.

 

[angeldust]

BTW, Tamancha? That's what we call all pistols in Pushto!

Mumbai underworld must be having many Pushto recruits then. LOL

 

[third eye]

I had two Dara made copies of the Soviet TT pistol but one of them had started shooting towards the left and the other's ejector mechanism had developed a fault, so I had them repaired and sold them. PKR 4000 for one and PKR 5000 for the other.
BTW, Tamancha? That's what we call all pistols in Pushto!





They are all licensed. Technically a man can own as many weapons as he can afford in Pakistan, it makes for plenty of tax to keep them legal.
Automatic weapons require a license signed by the Prime Minister, it's a lengthy process, takes about a year or more with fairly high rejection rates.
.303, 7.62mm, 5.56mm are all forbidden bores.

BTW add:

1x .303 Jungle Carbine
1x Norinco Black Star Onix

To my list of available fire arms, I had almost forgotten them.

Surprising !

Tamancha & Katta as mentioned by angeldust are how country made pistols called all over India or at least in the hindi speaking regions- mumbai included.

Reminds me of the time in Maldives on a project I was surprised to know from a work gang from the middle east that they also called a rope Rassa / Rassi based on how thick it is.

Must be the mix of Persian/ arabic / Hindi / Urdu that has spread over the subcontinent over the centuries.

In my part of the world the fastest thing to get stolen are pipes lying around - more so those that suit the 12 bore cartridges.

How about .38 ? Is it a permitted bore ?

 

[Icarus]

Surprising !

Tamancha & Katta as mentioned by angeldust are how country made pistols called all over India or at least in the hindi speaking regions- mumbai included.

Reminds me of the time in Maldives on a project I was surprised to know from a work gang from the middle east that they also called a rope Rassa / Rassi based on how thick it is.

Must be the mix of Persian/ arabic / Hindi / Urdu that has spread over the subcontinent over the centuries.

In my part of the world the fastest thing to get stolen are pipes lying around - more so those that suit the 12 bore cartridges.

How about .38 ? Is it a permitted bore ?

Small world isn't it? Makes you wonder.
As for the .38, yeah it's legal.


Here's another addition to my first list:

1x Walther P38 (Plus 2x original mags)

 

[third eye]

Small world isn't it? Makes you wonder.
As for the .38, yeah it's legal.


Here's another addition to my first list:

1x Walther P38 (Plus 2x original mags)

Err..

What would the percentage of Pakistanis like you - the kind who have minor armories ?

Is it easy to get ammo for these weapons ? Does one have to have it endorsed on the arms license.

Lastly, if I am not being too personal - where does on use these weapons ? Can you carry them in public - the ones without a license ?

I have a good old .22 Rifle, .32 Colt & 12 Bore.

Hardly get an occasion to use it anymore - shikar is banned.