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The case against Hafiz Saeed

what do u mean by substantial evidence? give some that if provided would as per u constitue substantial evidence.

may be u dont remember wat is in that report u gave to us.
y dont u tell me wat evidence did u provide us against hafiz saed? it will get more clearer when u ll rit it urself. in short evidence provided against hafiz saed is insufficient to prove him guilty in court
 
may be u dont remember wat is in that report u gave to us.
y dont u tell me wat evidence did u provide us against hafiz saed? it will get more clearer when u ll rit it urself. in short evidence provided against hafiz saed is insufficient to prove him guilty in court

They are all so admant about the 'evidence' . Can they paste it here? I will myself go to HAFIZ SAEED & ask him :woot:
 
Pakistan's highest court has suspended hearings on the government's appeal of the recent release of Lashkar-e-Taiba leader Hafiz Saeed.

The Supreme Court of Pakistan "indefinitely" suspended the government's petition to have Saeed placed under house arrest yet again. No reason was given by the court for suspending the hearing.

The suspension took place just two days after India said it has turned over enough evidence to Pakistan to allow it to proceed with the prosecution of Saeed.

"The evidence provided in three dossiers is, in our view, sufficient to investigate role of Hafiz Saeed," Indian Home Minister P. Chidambaram said.

In mid-December 2008, Saeed was placed under a loose house arrest after the United Nations Security Council declared the Jamaat-ud-Dawa both a terrorist entity and a front group for the Lashkar-e-Taiba. Saeed had been detained just weeks after the deadly terror assault on Mumbai in late November that had killed more than 170 people and locked down the city for more than 60 hours.

India has accused Saeed and Lashkar-e-Taiba of involvement in the Mumbai terror assault, and has presented evidence to Pakistan to aid in his prosecution.

Saeed was released on June 2, 2009, after a three-judge panel of the Lahore High Court said the Punjab provincial government and the federal government had failed to provide sufficient evidence to keep him in custody. The release of Saeed was celebrated in Pakistani jihadi circles and angered the Indians.

Background on Saeed and Lashkar-e-Taiba's extensive links with al Qaeda and Pakistan's military intelligence service

Saeed and the Laskhar-e-Taiba have strong links with elements within Pakistan's military and the Inter-Service Intelligence agency, or ISI.

Osama bin Laden and his mentor Abdullah Azzam encouraged Saeed to form Lashkar-e-Taiba in the late 1980s, and helped fund the establishment of the terror outfit. Lashkar-e-Taiba, like al Qaeda, practices the Wahabi strain of Islam, and receives funding from Saudis and other wealthy individuals throughout the Middle East.

Lashkar-e-Taiba is an ally of al Qaeda; the two groups provide support for each other, and their operatives train in each other's camps. Lashkar-e-Taiba has established training camps in Pakistan's Northwest Frontier Province and the tribal areas, and also maintains camps in Azad Kashmir and the Northern Areas.

Lashkar-e-Taiba has an extensive network in Southern and Southeast Asia, where it seeks to establish a Muslim caliphate. The group essentially runs a state within a state in Pakistan; the group has established an organization that is as effective as Lebanese Hezbollah. Its sprawling Murdike complex, just northwest of Lahore in Punjab province, is a town of its own. Throughout Pakistan and Azad Kashmir, Lashkar-e-Taiba runs numerous hospitals, clinics, schools, mosques, and other services. In support of its activities, Lashkar is active in fundraising across the Middle East and South Asia, and the group has recruited scores of Westerners to train in its camps.

In 2005, the group succeeded in providing aid to earthquake-ravaged regions in Kashmir while the Pakistani government was slow to act. Most recently, Lashkar-e-Taiba provided relief to tens of thousands of internally displaced persons who have fled the fighting between the military and the Taliban in the Malakand Division.

Jamaat-ud-Dawa has long been known to be a front for the Lashkar-e-Taiba. Saeed renamed the Lashkar-e-Taiba as "Jamaat-ud-Dawa" in 2002 after Lashkar was supposedly banned by the Pakistani government.

In reality, Saeed and his leaders rebranded the group as a Muslim charity to mask the operations of Lashkar-e-Taiba. Saeed has been arrested several times by Pakistani security forces after attacks in India, but each time has been quietly released. After Mumbai, Pakistan claimed to shut down Lashkar-e-Taiba / Jamaat-ud-Dawa offices and camps, and detained followers, but the efforts were largely cosmetic.

The Lashkar-e-Taiba is one of the primary terror groups used by Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence agency to direct military and terror operations inside India and Indian-held Kashmir. During the 1999 Kargil War, when Pakistan invaded Indian-held Kashmir, the Lashkar-e-Taiba fought as the vanguard for Pakistani forces in the mountainous region. To this day, Lashkar-e-Taiba military and terror units continue to infiltrate into Kashmir, with the help of Pakistan's military.

Earlier this year, Lashkar-e-Taiba took credit for the fighting in Kupwara, and warned India of new attacks. “The gun battles should serve as a message to India that the struggle for Kashmir’s freedom is on with full vigour,” spokesman Abdullah Ghaznavi said in late March. Twenty-five Lashkar fighters and seven Indian soldiers were killed in the fighting.

India's Army chief said Lashkar-e-Taiba still operates 40 to 50 camps in Kashmir and Pakistan. Over half of these camps are run by Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Pakistan has never acted meaningfully against Lashkar-e-Taiba / Jamaat-ud-Dawa. On several occasions, Saeed was placed under house arrest and the government claimed to have shut down the group's facilities. But the government would later quietly release Saeed and allow the reopening of the group's offices and camps.

Pakistani high court suspends case against Hafiz Saeed - The Long War Journal
 
Well now we can say that our courts at highest level are fairly neutral and independent. If governments fail to present a proper evidence which is required for proving the crime, then courts shouldnt be blamed. And its just not Saeed, in Musharraf's times, there were quiet a few suspected terrorists who were let go by courts because of insufficient evidence. And this even lead to a tiff between Mush and CJ.

If anything, our Police investigation and prosecution system should be enhanced.
 
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This is a fair enough decision. There is lack of evidence implicating Hafiz Saeed to Mumbai 26/11 attacks. Whatever is in this dossier cannot directly implore Hafeez Sayeed , therefore he is a free man.

However LET is a designated terrorist organsation and Pakistan has banned them. That is the right decision.

LET has supported militancy in Indian Kashmir and has had a terror network operating from Pakistani kashmir. It is not unreasonable to assume that Hafeez Sayeed would have knowledge of such programs or being in favour of conducting such programs.

If India are concerned (and I suspect that are NOT) , then it can always take him out through their various contacts inside Pakistan. The reason it doesnt is because Hafeez is a low value target and India's aim is to link 26/11 to elements within Pakistan.
 
Interpol set to issue notice against Saeed
Interpol set to issue notice against Saeed - India - NEWS - The Times of India


NEW DELHI: A Red Corner Notice (RCN) will be issued next week, possibly by Tuesday, by Interpol against Jamaat-ud-Dawa chief Hafiz Saeed, who has
been chargesheeted for masterminding the Mumbai carnage in a move which will make it difficult for Pakistan to let the dreaded chief of JuD roam freely. ( Watch Video )

Government sources said that the CBI, which acts as the nodal agency for all dealings with Interpol, has already written to the world police body, based on the 26/11 chargesheet, to get an RCN issued against Saeed who was let off by the Lahore High Court as Islamabad didn't press charges against him.

Interpol issues an RCN against any accused after it receives all information and evidence against him from the country in which the crime has been committed. "The RCN will be issued on the basis of the non-bailable warrant issued against Saeed by a Mumbai court earlier and also all the evidences gathered against him by the Mumbai police. These have been handed over to the CBI to let the agency take up the case with Interpol,'' said a source.

While Saeed is known for his venomous utterances against India for several years, 26/11 is the first time his name has featured in a chargesheet. According to the evidence provided by India to Pakistan, which Islamabad has conveniently ignored till now, Saeed motivated terrorists to attack Mumbai and was also involved in their training.

The Mumbai police have said that Saeed was among the 35 people who provided training to all the terrorists who executed 26/11 between 2007-08 at Muridke, Manshera, Muzzafarabad, Azizabad and other places in ***. Ajmal Kasab, in fact, had admitted in his confession before the Mumbai police that Saeed personally saw the terrorists off in Karachi a few days before the Mumbai attacks.

Pakistan has defended its refusal to act against Saeed by saying that India has not given evidence against him. This slim dossier which was delivered to Pakistan on Friday focuses on Saeed's role in 26/11 and emphasises Saeed being officially declared terrorist by UN Security Council should be strong enough reason for Pakistan to nail him.

In keeping with India's bid to keep the pressure going on Pakistan, foreign minister S M Krishna on Saturday that India will keep providing more evidence on 26/11 to Pakistan. "As and when, we collect more evidence we will keep sending it across to Pakistan and that is what the foreign secretary did yesterday,'' Krishna said.

Sources said that a Blue Corner Notice, which is meant to collect additional information about a person's identity and activities in relation to a crime, was already in place against Saeed. The RCN, once issued, can prevent Saeed from moving out of Pakistan.

An RCN, however, is not an international arrest warrant and Interpol cannot force Pakistan to arrest Saeed. India had earlier managed to get an RCN issued against Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar but it could not force Pakistan take any tangible action against him. There are some countries though which look upon an RCN as a valid warrant for provisional arrest, especially if the accused caught is wanted by a country with which it has an extradition treaty.

According to Interpol, RCN is issued in two types of cases; the first type is based on an arrest warrant and is issued for a person wanted for prosecution and the second is based on a court decision for a person wanted to serve a sentence.

Saeed was placed under house arrest by Pakistan in December after the UN Security Council Taliban and al Qaeda sanctions committee banned JuD in December 2008 and declared Saeed a terrorist. The Lahore High Court, however, let Saeed off in June citing the fact that no evidence had been provided by the government to justify his detention.

The Punjab government later backtracked from its statement that it would challenge his release in the Supreme Court. The Punjab law minister, Rana Sanaullah Khan, had then made the startling confession that the federal government had not shared the "confidential evidence'' it had with the state government.

Indian government sources said that getting an RCN issued against Saeed will also send a message to forces active in Pakistan about the extent of India's commitment to bring the 26/11 guilty to justice. This, they say, is important as there are already signs that these forces, mainly LeT and JuD cadres, have started to regroup under the umbrella of Falah-e-Insaniyat which, according to Indian security agencies, is ostensibly a charity organisation. Pakistan has so far done nothing to check its activities saying that there is no evidence to prove its links with terrorist organisations. On the contrary, it has complimented the organisation for its charity work in Swat.
 

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