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Indus civilization and the test of behavioural resemblance

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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.

And let me remind you, here the ignorer is certainly not a Bharti.


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An African claiming every civilization around the world makes more sense, Indians should call themselves offspring of people living in Pakistan (Indus Valley) first and must prove that by irrefutable scientific evidence, only then they try to claim IVC. Until then change your country name to Gangia.
 
No offense, but Pakistan Studies establishes the creation of Pakistan to 712 AD. Members here claim that Sindhu Saraswati Sabhyata (lets use this name, SSS) belongs to Pakistan. That means Pakistan was established in around 5000 BC. Why then is MA Jinnah the Qaid e Azam? Should it not be - 'Pasupati'?
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A more lasting Qaid e Azam, perhaps? Worth thinking over...
it's funny to see Indians use that as evidence

lotus positioned deities were common throughout the world

this is one of a thousand found in europe
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Most of the area is in Pakistan. Biggest or smallest, you only have a handful of them.

Besides, Constantinople is in Turkey. But Turks don't claim to be Greeks.

Is there nothing to be proud of with Ganga/Deccan history? Stop leeching off others' ancient history.
LOL - once again, given your small size I can see why this is a major issue for you.
 
What a idiot. The most hated countries by West are Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. India comes in as a darling of the West. Where have you been living? On Mars.
Three points:

1. India is a darling of West only in public view. There's something called as classified information of intelligence agencies. Did you know that Khalistan terrorism was orchestrated by CIA?

2. And what could be the reason for firangi to establish Pakistan's intelligence agency, ISI? If Wikipedia/internet is to be believed, then not only was ISI founded by a firangi, it was also headed for a long time by a firangi.

3. And what could be the reason for firangis taking pains to create and reward the anti-India movie 'Slumdog Millionaire'?
 
Denied supercomputer, Angry India does it!

The supercomputer effort in India began in the late 1980s, when the US stopped the export of a Cray supercomputer because of continuing technology embargoes. During the 80s, USA and some other European countries had developed super computers, which were critical for developing satellites and nuclear weapons. These countries refused to transfer the knowledge of creating super computers to India, fearing the developing nation might use it to design missiles and warplanes rather than forecast the weather.

Faced with a technology-denial regime that denied its scientific community access to supercomputers, India set up Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) in March 1988 with the clear mandate to develop an indigenous supercomputer to meet high-speed computational needs in solving scientific and other developmental problems where fast number crunching is a major component.

Following a specific recommendation of the Science Advisory Council to the Prime Minister (SAC-PM) to that effect, C-DAC was established as a scientific society of the then Department of Electronics (now the Department of Information Technology (DIT) under the Ministry of Communications and Information Technology).

To lead the project, PM Rajiv Gandhi turned to a man who hadn’t seen a ‘super’ all his life to build one in double-quick time. But Vijay Pandurang Bhatkar knew all about shortcuts: the country’s top number-cruncher had begun school directly in the 4th standard and still made it to the top. When Rajiv Gandhi met Bhatkar, he asked him three questions:

“Can we do it?”
Bhatkar answered, “I have not seen a supercomputer as we have no access to supercomputer, I have only seen a picture of the Cray! But, yes, we can.”

“How long will it take?”
Bhatkar promptly replied, “Less than it it will take us in trying to import Cray from US.

“How much money it would take?
Bhatkar replied, “The whole effort, including building an institution, developing the technology, commissioning and installing India’s first supercomputer will cost less than the cost of Cray.

Pleased, the Prime Minister gave the go-ahead for the project. Based in Pune, C-DAC summoned scientists from all over the country to work on one of India’s greatest technology projects.

Within three years, the extraordinary happened. With everyone involved working their socks off, C-DAC finally completed its work well within the proposed deadline. With components that could be bought off the shelves, in 1991, C-DAC rolled out India’s first indigenous supercomputer: PARAM 8000.

For the first time ever, a developing country had pulled off such a feat in advanced computer development. Needless to say, the world was shocked at this achievement. Many were doubtful about PARAM truly being a supercomputer. That’s when Bhatkar decided to take the PARAM prototype to a major international conference and exhibition of supercomputers. Here, it was demonstrated, benchmarked and formally declared a supercomputer. A US Newspapers published the news with headline, “Denied supercomputer, Angry India does it!”

A multiprocessor machine, PARAM 8000 was benchmarked at 5 Gflops, making it the second fastest supercomputer in the world at that time. It also costed a fraction of what the legendary US machine Cray did and performed just as well. So much so, that the US company which manufactured Cray had to slash prices to woo a nation it spurned just eight years ago!

PARAM 8000 also set the platform for a whole series of high-performance parallel computers, called the PARAM series. In 2002, PARAM 20000, or PARAM Padma, broke the teraflop (thousand billion flops) barrier with a peak speed of 1 Tflop. The latest machine in the series are the PARAM Ishan and the PARAM Kanchenjunga.

Installed at IIT Guwahati, PARAM Ishan can be used in the application areas like computational chemistry, computational fluid dynamics, computational electromagnetic, civil engineering structures, nano-block self assemble, climate modeling and seismic data processing. PARAM Kanchenjunga, stationed at NIT Sikkim’s Supercomputing Centre, is expected to be used for engineering research conducted by the faculty and students at the institute as well as researchers across the state. Interestingly, Param in Sanskrit means ‘supreme’!

Based on the Param series of supercomputers, Bhatkar has also built the National Param Supercomputing Facility (NPSF). This has been now made available as a grid computing facility through Garuda grid on the National Knowledge Network (NKN), providing nationwide access to High Performance Computing (HPC) infrastructure. He also initiated moves to have supercomputing in Indian languages and succeeded in doing so.

In 2015, Bhatkar was honoured with Padma Bhushan for his immense contribution in the field of science and technology in India.

Vijay Bhatkar’s and C-DAC’s efforts in this strategically and economically important area have thus put India on the supercomputing map of the world along with select developed nations of the world. As of 2016, many PARAM systems have been deployed in the country and abroad. Today, India is designing Petascale supercomputers, next only to USA and Japan. The crowning glory of India’s advanced computing and IT capability, once achieved this computer will be a symbol of India’s undeniable position as an IT superpower.

However, while showing great promise in the field of supercomputing, it’s obvious that India needs to do better and it will. The government of India is working towards this and has initiated the Rs. 4,500-crore National Supercomputing Mission. Under the mission, the Government of India empowers an ambitious target of installing more than 70 high-performance computing facilities in the country. These computers will be connected by the National Knowledge Network. The first of these high-computing machines is being built by the Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) and is expected to be ready by August 2017.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.th...t-supercomputer-param-cdac-vijay-bhatkar/amp/
 
@Kaptaan - Please do your thing. Soon the place will stink. Again. With your valuable inputs. :D


@waz - Are we all xenophobic? And is it really xenophobia?


No offense, but Pakistan Studies establishes the creation of Pakistan to 712 AD. Members here claim that Sindhu Saraswati Sabhyata (lets use this name, SSS) belongs to Pakistan. That means Pakistan was established in around 5000 BC. Why then is MA Jinnah the Qaid e Azam? Should it not be - 'Pasupati'?
2810239359_26c855c233_m.jpg

A more lasting Qaid e Azam, perhaps? Worth thinking over...
^Cernuous not pashupati
 

Few Key points :

01 IF IVC Collapsed , Then where did its inhabitants migrated too .
02 If Aryans did Migrated , did they displaced the original inhabitants or not .
03 In the Conquests from 600 BCE to 1600 CE , DID the invading forces killed all native population or not .

There are many missing pieces of puzzle . Untill they are found and understood well , Most of our speculations are mere conjectures :p:
 
@Kaptaan - Please do your thing. Soon the place will stink. Again. With your valuable inputs. :D
This Kaptaan guy is often quite illogical, isn't he? You agree with me, don't you?

For instance I think he says that River Indus covers the whole of Pakistan. I am scratching my head. I don't see that River flowing for any considerable length in Baluchistan. Baluchistan does have a share of River Indus. But it is so negligibly small that even Himachal Pradesh has stronger claims on Indus.
 
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Indus Civilization may have been a powerhouse of commerce and technology

July 21st, 2008
By Mohit Joshi

Islamabad, July 21 : Scientists have determined that the emerging new understanding of the Indus Civilization suggests that it might have been “a powerhouse of commerce and technology in the 3rd millennium B. C. E.”

According to a recent report in the journal Science, though there is much written about the Indus Civilization, this report is different because it highlights how our scientific - in this case archaeological - knowledge on the subject is not only expanding, but changing.

Striking new evidence from a host of excavations on both sides of the tense border that separates India and Pakistan has now definitively overturned the second-class status given to the Indus Civilization.

No longer is the Indus the plain cousin of Egypt and Mesopotamia during the 3rd millennium B. C. E.

Archaeologists now realize that the Indus dwarfed its grand neighbors in land area and population, surpassed them in many areas of engineering and technology, and was an aggressive player during humanity’s first flirtation with globalization 5000 years ago.

The old notion that the Indus people were an insular, homogeneous, and egalitarian bunch is being replaced by a view of a diverse and dynamic society that stretched from the Arabian Sea to the foothills of the Himalaya and was eager to do business with peoples from Afghanistan to Iraq.

The Indus people worried enough about the privileges of their elite to build thick walls to protect them.

“This idea that the Indus was dull and monolithic–that’s all nonsense,” said Louis Flam, an archaeologist at the City University of New York who has worked in Pakistan. “There was a tremendous amount of variety,” he added.

Even well-combed sites have revealed some surprises:

While the city of Harappa may be 1000 years older and Mohenjo Daro far larger than once thought, the dramatic “Buddhist stupa” adorning Mohenjo Daro’s high mound may in fact date back to the Indus heyday around 2000 B. C. E.

For the first half-century after its discovery, the Indus was virtually synonymous with Mohenjo Daro and Harappa. No other major cities were known.

But along with 1000 smaller sites, archaeologists now count at least five major urban areas and a handful of others of substantial size.

These sites reveal new facets of Indus life, including signs of hierarchy and regional differences that suggest a society that was anything but dull and regimented.

Also, one of the most fascinating aspect of the Indus Civilization is about international trade.

While evidence accumulates from Indus cities, other insights are coming from beyond the region, as artifacts from Central Asia, Iraq, and Afghanistan show the long arm of Indus trade networks. (ANI)

Indus Civilization may have been a powerhouse of commerce and technology | Top News
 
Noticeably IVC always looked westward for trade, commerce and interaction.

What was happening in the gangetic basin area?

Why no mention of any civilisations eastwards?

Any archaeological evidence of sites predating IVC, not mentioning those smaller satellites from the INDUS that fall in ROI boundary?

It's pretty clear the north Indian land mass was occupied over time from folks moving eastwards.

One fact is certain the IVC is almost exclusively in Pakistan, it runs through the heart of the country and a heritage all Pakistanis should be proud of
 
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