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“How did we lose to China in Indonesia!?”

This is the question being worriedly debated in government offices and executive suites throughout Japan.

What makes the question–and its answer–particularly urgent and fraught for Japan is a nagging suspicion, and fear, that China’s come-from-behind victory in the two country competition for the $5 billion high speed rail project could be a harbinger of further humiliating and costly defeats in competition for Asian infrastructure projects.

Continued losing in such competition would gravely imperil one of Japanese industry’s key growth strategies and, not trivially, undermine a pillar of the Abe government’s Asian regional diplomatic strategy.

Just now the shock and disappointment of losing this particular project in arguably the most attractive Asian market for new infrastructure–Indonesia, with a population of 250 million–is already shaking Japanese confidence.


The bad news was delivered in Tokyo on September 29 by Indonesia’s national development planning minister, Sofyan Djalil, in a meeting with Abe government cabinet secretary Suga Yoshihide. The message was that Indonesian president Joko Widoko had made a choice between the Japanese and Chinese project proposals and had selected the one from China.

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Commenting later, Suga called the decision “extremely regrettable” and “difficult to understand.”

Teten Maskuki, the Indonesian president’s chief of staff, was quoted as saying that Joko’s decision rested mainly on China’s final approach, which was to take a more “business-to-business” approach, as opposed to Japan’s more “government-to-government” approach.

But such an explanation tells us little about the history, the back story, or, indeed, the denouement–if it is the denouement–of this battle of Asia’s industrial titans for a symbolically, as well as substantively, important project.

The back story was informatively told in a Japanese language article dated September 22 on the Toyo Keizai Online site. The article appeared after the Indonesian government had announced on September 3, to the surprise of everyone (see my post) that it was rejecting both of the “final” proposals that had been received after frantic jockeying, sweetening, and maneuvering for advantage by Japan and China.

“Seven years of Japanese efforts have come to nothing,” began the article. Planning of project–a high speed (300 kms/hr) rail line extending 730 kilometers across the island of Java from Jakarta to Surubaya–began in earnest in 2009 with a Japanese government-sponsored feasibility study.

The study concluded that commercial feasibility–in terms of highest expected demand from passengers–was strongest for the 144 kilometer section between Jakarta and Bandung. Having performed the study, and fully confident in the world-beating quality and reliability of Japan Rail’s Shinkansen technology and knowhow, Japan expected to get the project mandate.

Japan’s project plan called for a five year construction period, including a full one year trial operation period. If construction were to start in 2018 the line would be ready to take passengers in 2023. Total cost would be some Rupiah 64 trillion (JPY 534.6 billion, or $4.5 billion).

The Japanese government operating through JICA (the Japanese International Cooperation Agency) would finance 75% of the cost with a 0.1% long term yen loan (terms and conditions in conformity with international convention for concessionary financing). The remaining 25% would have to be raised by the Indonesian government and private enterprises.

Importantly, Japan’s concessionary loan would–in accordance with international conventions for official government lending–require an Indonesian government guarantee.

Then, in October 2014, as the Japanese agencies and companies prepared for the project, something happened in Indonesia: the swearing in as president of Joko Widoko.

Campaigning for office Joko had called for greater infrastructure investment, and it was taken for granted that he was a supporter of the Java high speed rail project. However, Joko had campaigned as a “man of the people” whose priority would be improving welfare for Indonesia’s common and rural people over the more affluent people in the big cities.

In January this year the Joko government essentially stopped preparations for the high-speed rail project. In March, Joko traveled to Tokyo and Beijing.

In Tokyo March 22-25 Joko with Prime Minister Abe and other officials. Joko got a commitment for Japanese yen loan support for improving Jakarta’s municipal rail network, but no progress was made on resolving issues with the Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail project.

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Then, on March 26, Joko visited Beijing and met Chinese president Xi Jinping. Xi publicly announced support for the Indonesian high speed project and the two governments signed a memorandum specifying China’s interest in the Jakarta-Bandung line.

Well before the Joko-Xi meeting China had entered competition for the project. China’s proposal was for a total project cost of Rupiah 74 trillion (JPY 618.2 billion, $5.2 billion). The cost was higher than Japan’s, but China committed to financing the entire amount at an interest rate of 2%. Moreover, the project would be completed in three years–meaning taking passengers in 2018.

Indonesia had hired an investment bank to evaluate the Chinese and Japanese proposals. What seemed to matter most, however, was Indonesia’s increasingly firm demand that the project should not even be included in the government’s budget and insistence that no government guarantee would be given.

The high costs of project proposals were also declared unacceptable. When the cost was determined to be associated with the proposed 300 kms/hour speed of the line, Indonesia officials offered that a speed of 200-250 kms/hour would also be acceptable, expecting therefrom to cut construction costs by 30-40%.

That China was awarded the project and Japan rejected seems to owe mainly to China’s willingness to accept the financial risk of the project (i.e., to forego an Indonesian government guarantee and also, thereby, possibly to finesse international ODA norms) and of Japan’s inability or unwillingness to do so.

The Toyo Keizei piece makes the point that such projects’ risks are not small. Taiwan is an example. Taiwan’s high-speed rail line enjoys relatively heavy business passenger traffic, which allows relatively expensive ticket prices. But the high prices seem to have discouraged non-business passengers, such that ridership numbers have fallen short of forecasts and revenues have proven insufficient to cover debt service requirements.

Compared with Taiwan, Indonesia is a very poor country. Given that business traffic will be relatively limited, ticket prices will have to be set low to be affordable for average citizens (and to avoid political backlash). Generating sufficient cash flow for debt service looks like a formidable challenge.

That China is willing to take the risk speaks volumes about how China views infrastructure aid in the Asian region. According to press reports China sweetened its offer in other ways as well, including committing to establish a joint venture with Indonesian firms to produce rolling stock for high-speed rail, electric rail, light rail systems, not only for Indonesia, but also for export to other Asian countries; to transfer related technology; and also to renovate and rebuild train stations.

Having benefitted immensely from Japan-China competition in one project, Indonesia is hoping to keep Japan (and of course also China) interested in the next ones. Sofyan was careful when delivered the negative verdict to assure Japan that there are many other projects for which Japanese technology and aid will be warmly welcomed.

Intriguingly, so far China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs has not officially reacted to China’s winning of the project. Does this mean that the mandate has not officially been awarded? Is Indonesia holding out for more concessions?

That would seem unlikely. The project seems to be China’s. Whether it will a “successful” from a conventional commercial perspective is unknowable. But in terms of China’s economic diplomacy, it is certainly a deeply meaningful and significant advance. While for Japan, it is an occasion for deep rethinking of policies and strategies in Asia.


Japan's Rail Project Loss To China: Why It Matters For Abe's Economic Diplomacy And For China's
 
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Thanks for China Government to willing to take the Risk for Such Big Infrastructure Project in Indonesia.
If Japan didn't dare to take risk for Big Infrastructure Investment in Indonesia, Japan will lose in Bussiness like that.

Long Live for China-Indonesia Infrastructure Project :yahoo:

This is a good demonstration of China's inclusive development model. China has learned a lot from Japan and other developed economies of Northeast Asia and it is now time for China to offer its contribution.

Competition is good: Good for further progress as well as to demonstrate that China can actually win against the best in the industry.

Japan is one of the norm setters in industrial development and China is lucky to be in the same league with one of the best.

Japanese and Chinese common development and experience is only beneficial for the rest of the region.

Wish all the best to Indonesia, one of China's best partners in the region, let alone in ASEAN.
 
This is a good demonstration of China's inclusive development model. China has learned a lot from Japan and other developed economies of Northeast Asia and it is now time for China to offer its contribution.

Competition is good: Good for further progress as well as to demonstrate that China can actually win against the best in the industry.

Japan is one of the norm setters in industrial development and China is lucky to be in the same league with one of the best.

Japanese and Chinese common development and experience is only beneficial for the rest of the region.

Wish all the best to Indonesia, one of China's best partners in the region, let alone in ASEAN.

I think China Experience to build High Speed Railway in Different Climates is matter.
for Infrastructure Development, I think China is the Best one !

is this another 'Battle of Guadalcanal' for Japan? o_O

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Cannot wait for '2018'
to take the Rail to Bandung :yahoo:
 
Worst thing about this deal is that Indonesia has given up its sovereignty to China. In this deal China will invest & build the HSR line & operate it. Indonesians will have no say.

Japan did not lose this deal because China had a better technology. It lost because it was not willing to make financial investments which China was.

Here in India everyday Chinese companies come with proposals to invest & own infrastructure projects but they are kicked out.
 
This is a good demonstration of China's inclusive development model. China has learned a lot from Japan and other developed economies of Northeast Asia and it is now time for China to offer its contribution.

Competition is good: Good for further progress as well as to demonstrate that China can actually win against the best in the industry.

Japan is one of the norm setters in industrial development and China is lucky to be in the same league with one of the best.

Japanese and Chinese common development and experience is only beneficial for the rest of the region.

Wish all the best to Indonesia, one of China's best partners in the region, let alone in ASEAN.

No doubt, Indonesia is to receive the best technology and build-up the world has through this joint-development program.

The government made the rational choice and we are appreciated for it.

Again, we are also happy to compete against Japan, one of the best in the world, and win, based on industrial might, technological superiority and logistical prowess.

No surprise, China is in the top league, not in Indian league.

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CHINA TO BUILD HIGH-SPEED RAIL LINE IN INDONESIA JOINT VENTURE

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China, Indonesia sign high-speed rail line deal

18 October, 2015


A key factor in the award was that the Indonesian government will contribute no new funding to the $5.5 billion (4.83 billion euros) project.

The line will connect the Indonesian capital Jakartawith the mountain-fringed city of Bandung, a few 160km away, and is a key part of President Joko Widodo's plans to overhaul the archipelago's infrastructure and attract investors.

The Chinese partner was also willing to provide transfer of technology (TOT), which would build facilities to produce high-speed trains in Indonesia and supply them to new markets served by the joint venture, he added.

The Indonesian government repeatedly changed its mind about the railway project, before eventually agreeing to accept China's bid for a high-speed line.

The deal was signed by the chair of PT Pillar Sinergi BUMN Indonesia, Sahala Lumban Gaol, and Yang Zhongmin, chair of China Railway Co at a ceremony attended by the Chinese ambassador to Indonesia, Xie Feng.

Mr Sahala reiterated the government's line that the project would not rely on any state funding, with financing already agreed on under a business-to-business scheme.

Construction of the railway will largely be financed by China Development Bank with a 40-year loan and a grace period of 10 years.

The bid win comes at a critical time as China and Japan are also competing in what could be a long drawn-out battle for India's three proposed high-speed rail links - New Delhi-Mumbai, Mumbai-Chennai and New Delhi-Kolkata.

The project may face resistance over the use of Chinese workers, however.

He said the construction is expected to begin early next year and completed in 2018.
 
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Worst thing about this deal is that Indonesia has given up its sovereignty to China. In this deal China will invest & build the HSR line & operate it. Indonesians will have no say.

Japan did not lose this deal because China had a better technology. It lost because it was not willing to make financial investments which China was.

Here in India everyday Chinese companies come with proposals to invest & own infrastructure projects but they are kicked out.

Heck, you better shut up if dont know the deal

Look at Subway project at Jakarta, even though Japanese finance much of the project, but the operation will be handled by Indonesian company (state and city owned)

Check this out, it is in Indonesian language (CNN Indonesia news)

Jokowi Tunjuk Adhi Karya dan JakPro Garap Proyek LRT

I dont have much data about the Indonesian-China deal either, but at this stage it is better not to assume about something that we dont know the detail.
 
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Worst thing about this deal is that Indonesia has given up its sovereignty to China. In this deal China will invest & build the HSR line & operate it. Indonesians will have no say.

Japan did not lose this deal because China had a better technology. It lost because it was not willing to make financial investments which China was.

Here in India everyday Chinese companies come with proposals to invest & own infrastructure projects but they are kicked out.

Bringing in sovereignty into a normal business deal is just utter illiteracy. Get yourself educated on PPP (Public-Private Partnership), like BOT, DBO or BOO, before humiliating yourself in an open forum. And yes, Gwadar port is the same kind of deal.

On this project, a joint venture (JV; one shareholder from CN, one from ID) will sign a BOT/BOO contract with the government to construct and operate this 150-km 8-stations HSR during the concession period. The JV will obtain/import techs from CRI (which is also its shareholder), invest in local assets, collect operating income as a return for its investment (which could be negative in this case as there is no guarantee). All deals are basically the same in structure, only different in numbers (which as @Indos the data are yet to be released).
 
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Bringing in sovereignty into a normal business deal is just utter illiteracy. Get yourself educated on PPP (Public-Private Partnership), like BOT, DBO or BOO, before humiliating yourself in an open forum. And yes, Gwadar port is the same kind of deal.

On this project, a joint venture (JV; one shareholder from CN, one from ID) will sign a BOT/BOO contract with the government to construct and operate this 150-km 8-stations HSR during the concession period. The JV will obtain/import techs from CRI (which is also its shareholder), invest in local assets, collect operating income as a return for its investment. All deals are basically the same in structure, only different in numbers (which as @Indos the data are yet to be released).
In India only Indian companies are allowed to bid for BOT projects.
 
In India only Indian companies are allowed to bid for BOT projects.

Different countries vary a lot in their policy/legislation about foreign investment, that's a sovereign rights, I have absolutely no comment on that. Likewise, Indonesia has their own, why you bring your country into this? Yours is kind of like international benchmark, high standard? Also btw, define "Indian Companies".

On this case, the JV is 60% owned by an Indonesian SOE, 40% by CRI, incorporated under the law of Indonesia. Tell me how you relate this to loss of sovereignty?
 
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In India only Indian companies are allowed to bid for BOT projects.

That's because only Indian companies invest in India. Companies in the U.S. realize how much of a burden it is to do business in India, because of a lack of results after committing verbally each and every time.

Not only that, U.S. corporations bail out Indian partners very frequently because they go bankrupt so soon from an internal lack of leadership and direction, a lack of technical know-how and and attitude to learn .

The automotive world is rich in examples of this.
 
Different countries vary a lot in their policy/legislation about foreign investment, that's a sovereign rights, I have absolutely no comment on that. Likewise, Indonesia has their own, why you bring your country into this? Yours is kind of like international benchmark? Also btw, define "Indian Companies".

On this case, the JV is 60% owned by an Indonesian SOE, 40% by CRI, incorporated under the law of Indonesia. Tell me how you relate this to loss of sovereignty?

I guess the poster is just another blind hater who never heard of the concept of JV.

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China forms joint venture to build $5.5bn high-speed rail line in Indonesia

19 October 2015

China Railway International has signed a agreement to form a joint venture with a consortium of Indonesian state companies to build the first $5.5bn high-speed rail link between Jakarta and the West Java provincial capital of Bandung, Indonesia.

Construction under the project is expected to start next year and end in 2018, with the line scheduled to begin operating in 2019.

The high-speed railway is the biggest infrastructure project started by Indonesian President Joko Widodo.

Last month, the Japan announced that China has won the Indonesian contract after the former offered to build the high-speed line without investments from the Indonesian Government.

"Construction under the project is expected to start next year and end in 2018, with the line scheduled to begin operating in 2019."

China proposed to finance the project through a Chinese loan, while Japan's proposal were to be funded through the Indonesian budget and a low-interest loan from Japan.

The Indonesian Government is reluctant to use the state budget for the train project, therefore Japan's bid was rejected as it would require government funding.

About 75% of the funding for the project will come from China Development Bank and the remaining from a Chinese railway company and Indonesian consortium.

The 160km line will connect the city of Bandung to Jakarta, Indonesia's capital city.

The high-speed line will cover eight stations on the route, and the trains will travel at a speed of around 250km/h.

In addition, a team of Chinese firms led by China Railway International, along with China's Export - Import (Ex-Im) Bank, have expressed interest in building a major part of the proposed $68bn high-speed railway (HSR) project in California, US.

The Chinese firms proposed to supply design expertise, construction, equipment procurement and rolling stock, with financing from the Ex-Im Bank.

Earlier this year, the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA) has asked private firms to suggest how to reduce costs, speed up construction of the rail line, as well as attract outside money.

In June, CHSRA has awarded a $1.23bn contract to a joint venture team of Hochtief subsidiary Flatiron and Dragados USA, to build a 60-mile stretch of the planned 520-mile HSR line between Los Angeles and San Francisco.

The HSR system is expected to be operational by 2029 from San Francisco to the Los Angeles basin.
 
I guess the poster is just another blind hater who never heard of the concept of JV.
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China forms joint venture to build $5.5bn high-speed rail line in Indonesia

That's a critical game changer in the whole deal, the JV.

Why?
  • Imagine you try to sell coffee makers to a cafe, the owner agrees but you must also invest 40% into his cafe.
  • Imagine Boeing tries to sell 737 to Air New Zealand, the airline agrees with a condition that Boeing must be a shareholder.
  • CRI or China, likewise Kawasaki of Japan, they sell trains, not train tickets.
The key differentiator between the two HSR competitors as observed in this Indonesian project is business philosophy. Japanese are very conservative, stay focused on primary business only, and not willing to venture into anything unknown to them. Note the OP also mentioned the impact of them experiencing deficit in Taiwan HSR operation, it's one verified criterion in their final decision matrix. Comparatively speaking the Chinese are more aggressive, willing to venture into secondary business unknown to them. Is the 40% stake in the JV is valuable asset, or an liability? It's a new market, no one knows.

Neither one of these two philosophies is better than the other, they are just different.
 
Worst thing about this deal is that Indonesia has given up its sovereignty to China. In this deal China will invest & build the HSR line & operate it. Indonesians will have no say.

Japan did not lose this deal because China had a better technology. It lost because it was not willing to make financial investments which China was.

Here in India everyday Chinese companies come with proposals to invest & own infrastructure projects but they are kicked out.

For Bold Red :
what you mean about Indonesia has given up its sovereignty to China?
You better Shut your mouth !

Indonesian parties will hold a 60 percent stake in the venture, and the Chinese the remaining 40 percent. The China Development Bank will finance 75 per cent of the cost.

Indonesia, China sign $7.6 billion high-speed rail deal, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

For Bold Blue :
Yes, I agree with you in that point. :-)

For Bold Green :
That's why Indonesia will have High Speed Railway before than India.
Hope the Difference Between india and Indonesia in 2019, not like this. LOL

Indian Train
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Indonesia Train in 2019
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That's a critical game changer in the whole deal, the JV.

Why?
  • Imagine you try to sell coffee makers to a cafe, the owner agrees but you must also invest 40% into his cafe.
  • Imagine Boeing tries to sell 737 to Air New Zealand, the airline agrees with a condition that Boeing must be a shareholder.
  • CRI or China, likewise Kawasaki of Japan, they sell trains, not train tickets.
The key differentiator between the two HSR competitors as observed in this Indonesian project is business philosophy. Japanese are very conservative, stay focused on primary business only, and not willing to venture into anything unknown to them. Note the OP also mentioned the impact of them experiencing deficit in Taiwan HSR operation, it's one verified criterion in their final decision matrix. Comparatively speaking the Chinese are more aggressive, willing to venture into secondary business unknown to them. Is the 40% stake in the JV is valuable asset, or an liability? It's a new market, no one knows.

Neither one of these two philosophies is better than the other, they are just different.

Yes, I agree with you.
Japanese really Conservative in Bussiness, Chinese is More Aggressive and More 'Risk Taker' in Bussiness matter.
It's better to bussiness with Chinese, Honestly speaking.



The project was once eyed by Japan, which had even conducted a US$6 million feasibility study, but President Joko Widodo rejected Tokyo's proposal because it involved financing from the Indonesian government.

Indonesia, China sign $7.6 billion high-speed rail deal, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

and Thanks Japan for Your US$ 6 Million in Feasibility study. LOL :woot:
 

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