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Pakistanis Have Become Disillusioned With GHQ

Have Pakistanis become disillusioned with the GHQ?


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Bruh donate your brain to someone who's in need. Not like you are using it anyways.

If Army/GHQ didn't needed Public support, it wouldn't have been releasing songs and doing anything to stay in good attention like a desperate, attention seeking hoe.
Not one reply which tells why GHQ needs public.

Since you don't have a reply so keep that forked tongue of your behind your teeth and stop with personal insults.

staying quite usually saves one from embarrassment
See, not one reply. Personal attacks only.

khisyani billi khamba noche
 
Not one reply which tells why GHQ needs public.

Since you don't have a reply so keep that forked tongue of your behind your teeth and stop with personal insults.


See, not one reply. Personal attacks only.

khisyani billi khamba noche

Your provocative and mocking tone is only inviting 'retaliation', and more abuse / Army-bashing here on PDF

Give it a rest, mate ..
 
Your provocative and mocking tone is only inviting 'retaliation', and more abuse / Army bashing here on PDF

Give it a rest, mate ..
That is the thing.

Bash all you want since that is all you can do on PDF, but a reply that why GHQ needs public is still not there.
 
but a reply that why GHQ needs public is still not there.
You should ask this question to all the successive military spokesmen who declared how essential public support is for them or why the endless conditioning through sponsored dramas and songs were done to garner public support and image building or why they were so serious to counter the information warfare being waged to sway public against them in the last decade.

The ones you are trying to defend actually completely disagree with you if their decades of actions are to be considered.
 
Bash all you want since that is all you can do on PDF

PDF itself may be irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, but the educated Youth isn't...

"Violence begets violence; hate begets hate; and toughness begets a greater toughness. It is all a descending spiral, and the end is destruction — for everybody. (ML King Jr)

No Army can win a war it wages against its own people. Antagonizing entire Youth will have far reaching consequences.

You are only fueling hatred online. You are not helping anyone
 
PDF itself may be irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, but the educated Youth isn't...

"Violence begets violence; hate begets hate; and toughness begets a greater toughness. It is all a descending spiral, and the end is destruction — for everybody. (ML King Jr)

No Army can win a war it wages against its own people. Antagonizing entire Youth will have far reaching consequences.

You are only fueling hatred online. You are not helping anyone
The consequence will be the curtailing of their power once the dust settles.

20, 30 years ago it would have been mere azeez hum watno already. Why isn’t it happening? Because “public support” is not there.

So some pro military people fighting losing battle (argument) have gone through the phase of military has not lost support and it’s all just PTI propaganda, to people are being misguided military is doing the right thing, to military actually doesn’t even need public support.

But it doesn’t matter. The consequences are not set in stone and for the better. It’s just natural evolution which was bound to happen eventually.
 
That is the thing.

Bash all you want since that is all you can do on PDF, but a reply that why GHQ needs public is still not there.

Bro, you got 8 supporters. Just have a look at the poll. You must be happy with the result.

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I can literally fit everything on one tiny screenshot.
 
Haider Mehdi made a nice graphic depicting the hierarchy of power as it's supposed to be. God on top, then the people, etc. The army is just supposed to be another department of government.

This is how it is supposed to be.

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This is how the generals have made it. They consider themselves above God even. The way they drink whiskey, sell themselves to the enemies of Islam, kill Muslims, impoverish Pakistanis, it is clear that even God is nothing to them

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Not one reply which tells why GHQ needs public.

Since you don't have a reply so keep that forked tongue of your behind your teeth and stop with personal insults.


See, not one reply. Personal attacks only.

khisyani billi khamba noche
The army is from the public. Without the public there is no army and GHQ is part of that so your question why GHQ needs the public is an own goal
 
You should ask this question to all the successive military spokesmen who declared how essential public support is for them or why the endless conditioning through sponsored dramas and songs were done to garner public support and image building or why they were so serious to counter the information warfare being waged to sway public against them in the last decade.

The ones you are trying to defend actually completely disagree with you if their decades of actions are to be considered.
The army is from the public. Without the public there is no army and GHQ is part of that so your question why GHQ needs the public is an own goal
Bro, you got 8 supporters. Just have a look at the poll. You must be happy with the result.

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I can literally fit everything on one tiny screenshot.
PDF itself may be irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, but the educated Youth isn't...

"Violence begets violence; hate begets hate; and toughness begets a greater toughness. It is all a descending spiral, and the end is destruction — for everybody. (ML King Jr)

No Army can win a war it wages against its own people. Antagonizing entire Youth will have far reaching consequences.

You are only fueling hatred online. You are not helping anyone
So still there is no reply to what I asked apart from 1 who re-iterated what I said.

In your posts, one of you is showing me the poll, that has no effect on GHQ. One is saying that Army is at a war against its people, which is not the case. Another is giving gist of hybrid warfare through media and IT stand against Army which Army has mentioned as 5th gen warfare already and has taken measures to counter it, while I have been mentioning this since 2019. A dedicated department was made a decade ago or more and then on the cyber warfare capability was enhanced in the Army.

TTowers is trying to mention what I mentioned before, yes Army is from the public and the only thing which can hurt Army is recruiting process if public doesn't show up to become officers or soldiers in Army. This is what can hurt GHQ in next coming years or decades but even then automation or weaponry with more firepower will cater this issue to some extent. Army already knows that its 773 -strong infantry battalions (and Engineers Battalion) is the biggest unit it has while LAT,HAT, Armor, Artillery, AD, Signals, EME etc have around 400-500 troops, the missile units have even smaller number of troops in units. The problem can occur in CORO, where retired officers are called upon during war to undertake all desk jobs in HQs while able bodied soldiers are sent to front lines. If the recruitment process gets slow, this affects CORO too in coming years. Then the other contingency is that troops of paramilitary get accepted in regular forces to cater for numbers. Or Army shrinks a bit more in size while paramilitary swells up at a lesser salary. There have been threads already that military size should reduce, while troops should become more specialized in their tasks and that modern weaponry is ever more destructive than before which is how R&S battalions were envisioned in 60's to hold ground through less troops but massive firepower with 100% mobility. Serviceability and maintenance of drones is still easier than MBTs or fighter jets and the risk of loss of pilot is far lesser so this means lesser pilots and technicians than regular formations. Inflation has reached such a level that public will join Army for sake of getting a job and securing their future through house or plot or land that Army gives to its officers/troops on retirement, plus the pension. Army was one of the departments during COVID which was giving salary on regular basis when even some Government departments were not paying fully or delaying salaries.

Promotions, weaponry acquisition, any policy that Army makes for itself such increasing formations, making more posts for Generals, handing out 10 more plots to anyone - has no voice of public, no involvement of public and this will prevail.

ISPR will do what its supposed to do as a department, even if they make songs, its still not a necessity to give lollypop to the public, it will however maintain relations with media and public. It has to give its report to GHQ at the end of the day so let the lollypops continue. ISPR will keep giving its press releases and its productions will continue.
 
You are only fueling hatred online. You are not helping anyone
I wanted to reply this separately.

I am not doing anything of the sort you mentioned, its your small brains that cant comprehend the fact that the next person is not saying anything out of context of ego or competition or argument. I asked a simple question even when I put forward a direct hint but all I got was personal attack since that what people do when they don't have rpelies.
 
Just the elections, free and fair overall will get the respect and prestige back to GHQ, so simple and made so difficult. Time-warped minds and frozen in time Generals.

PTI support base transcends ethnicity, provinces, biradari, sects and religion, this gels in and unites the nations, all this power can be used to leapfrog, jumpstart the country, be it economy and HDI indices, getting the FDI, exports, loan repayment, everything...much easier to get out of the bad times when turned into a 'Nation'.

And IK has said many times a strong civilian govt. complements a strong Fauj, and vice versa. The GHQ couldn't understand this simple, sage thought.

Alas!!! so near to it yet so far.
 
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