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Gwadar goes red - Specabad.

For someone who identify himself as secular yet culturally conservative. Your posts are getting stranger every week.

Chinese are ruthless businessman and you simply need a new master to leech on. But let's not even begin with that.

Why do you hate Balochistan and Pakistanis who live there?

You think what Pakistan is? An angel land?Find someone else who would like to invest in Pakistan like an angel!
 
You think what Pakistan is? An angel land?Find someone else who would like to invest in Pakistan like an angel!

I am sure we will if you cant and i am sure if you your decision will be democratic after a healthy parliament debate not to invest in Pakistan.
 
Why don't Pakis and Hindus have a date that you look like the same and yet hate-love together? Don‘t get us Chinese involved!
 
I am sure we will if you cant and i am sure if you your decision will be democratic after a healthy parliament debate not to invest in Pakistan.

If China doesn‘t protect you you will be bullied like a baby by USA or India! WTF do you think you are to talk about democracy and to accuse Chinese? WTF do you know how much China has injected into your defence system? “Ruthless Chinese”, what a joke can it be from a Pakistani?

Okay Hanchez. :coffee:

Here you go with Hindus wisdom...I love it
 
If China doesn‘t protect you you will be bullied like a baby by USA or India! WTF do you think you are to talk about democracy and to accuse Chinese? WTF do you know how much China has injected into your defence system? “Ruthless Chinese”, what a joke can it be from a Pakistani?

I am sure if Hong Kong can survive so can Pakistan without the angelic Chinese serenade.

Learn to respect opinions.
 
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I am sure if Hong Kong can survive so can Pakistan without the angelic Chinese serenade.

Learn to respect opinions.
Well done. Now your shafting the Chinese. Mashallah.


My earlier reply to you on this has been deleted as it was construed being 'trolling/derailing' (no specific reason explained, merely a limitation of the understanding of the quip, perhaps?).

However, let me sound intellectual when I repeat the same points which I made in a summation, in a more elaborate way.

I love this plan too. And I would seriously enjoy it being emulated all over the country itself, not merely a small segment. My love for this plan has the admixture of a potential for enhanced security and stability of Pakistan as a Nation (thereby insuring Indian security).

A larger and stronger Chinese presence in Pakistan will be the natural progression of any incremental investment in the Pakistani Economy. I have used the words "incremental investment" to encompass both the economic meaning as also the military meaning of the words.

The underlying security challenges to the Pakistani State are from the masses of radicalized citizen, who are increasingly demonstrating their ability to hijack the national agenda and render them to a background role in the larger game being played out with the aim of using religion and it's distortions to continue to erode the credentials of the Pakistani state.

The recent incidents of Faislabad interchange wherein an elected government of a Sovereign nation was forced to 'back out' in front of a motley group of what may best be called a disruptive group, and where in the Armed Forces clearly occupied a position of withdrawal of support and refusing the legal directive of the said government by stepping in to enforce the orders as passed by the IHC, indicates to the population in general and the external world, the ability of these radical groups to quickly undermine the State - both the executive and the judiciary.

In such a scenario, the logic of exclusive Chinese industrial parks/townships as envisaged under the CPEC plan (as far as what can be revealed from the CPEC Masterplan as published by Khurram Husain in Dawn dated 21 Jun 2017 link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1333101), makes sense only till these groups assume upon them the role of guardianship of the 'faith' (or whatever is their view of it anyway) , whereupon, these groups will be an antithetical force to the said Chinese. The disruptive effects on the Pakistani Agricultural Sector are apparent on a cursory glance, but of course remain a mere 'figment of imagination' to the unabashed apologists.

It is this underlying conflict of interest (if I may use the term) with the Chinese, that is the most comical and most serious threat that the Chinese will face. If we take the example of only the Agricultural Sector, the strata of citizens involved here, renders them most susceptible to the changes being envisaged. Right from production to the processing to storage to transport and marketing, the proposed integration of Chinese firms and companies will have serious disruptions in this sector for the average Pakistani. It is this group that shall increasingly look towards the above mentioned fringe and radicalized groups, to provide support and succour, with the alternative being a perceptibly weakened Government which does not have the capability or the ability to enforce it's writ over the State.

Let us be very clear and very honest, the Chinese have raised their reservations to Pakistan over the present trends and directions in the Pakistani society. That the Pakistani Army did nothing to check this group, will be a point noted in China, and by these groups as also hundreds of thousands of impressionable minds who will gravitate to this group now. This will also pit Pakistan Army against this subset increasingly as the societal and filial connections with the group will serve to undermine the effort, if and when required, against the groups(s).

With the trends developing, the CPEC will be crucial for PRC for it's long term security and commercial needs. Nowhere in near proximity will China get thousands of Hectares for it's agricultural needs, nor unabridged access to markets for employment generation for it's own population, in the face of increased automation and refining of both production and development, which is reducing the number of jobs in order to enable cost competitiveness and consistent quality controls. In the trends of Global economic scenario, the only way to rejig for the challenges ahead for all industries is to reduce the overheads incurred per cost center and this is where the automation will come into play.

So, what alternatives do you see? An increased Chinese security presence is my estimation, as Pakistan Army will face challenges in it's tasking if the present trends continue. You can only allow the society to be ruled by the radicals till a certain point. The day they are allowed to project themselves stronger than the State and it's Judiciary, that day is the day the downfall of the nation starts.

The above is a condition ripe wherein the PRC may be forced to protect it's interests and investments by, in the worst case scenario, deployment of it's own security forces (Hint: This is where the re-run of Trans-Siberian rail network comes into play @nair). The PRC experience in Xinjiang has been an open secret, and the emulation of the same can not be discounted. That ofcourse, directly or indirectly forces PA to act against these groups without differentiation as these groups are cut of the same cloth, be it against Afghanistan, Pakistan or India.

As an Indian, and as a member who has deep interests in matters of security, for me, nothing else could be a more healthy and more productive outcome for Indian security than an increased Chinese presence.



What do you think will be the status of an increasingly weakened (already the civil institutions were weakened to ensure predominance of an organ of the State that works like State is an organ of it) GoP in the aftermath of the surrender at Faislabad interchange in front of radicalised groups? And what do you think will be the impact of the clear failure of the Armed Forces to back up the elected Government of the Sovereign State thereby emboldening the radical fringe groups and mainstreaming them as a potent political force?





Do you not find the parallel between the Chinese history (loss of 'Outer Mongolia' to Russia in garb of Trans Siberian Network and stationing of troops by Russia to safeguard their investment, apparently done to help China hedge against the foreigners in garb of Japan, US, British and Germans?) and the present roll out of scene here, rather uncanny?


@Imran Khan You concur to the above?
Fantastic post. One of the best I have read for long time here. Can you guess why the government, rangers/FC and even the army took no action. Indeed the DG Rangers gave money to the protesters? As the SC judge said -

"If you cannot secure the federal capital, how will you secure the country?" he asked, addressing the government."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1373841/a...heir-questionable-role-in-the-faizabad-sit-in


Why?

Ps. I can tell it is not because the state does not have enough tanks, F-16s, nuclear missiles, armoured divisions etc etc?

@Joe Shearer

 
Well done. Now your shafting the Chinese. Mashallah.


Fantastic post. One of the best I have read for long time here. Can you guess why the government, rangers/FC and even the army took no action. Indeed the DG Rangers gave money to the protesters? As the SC judge said -

"If you cannot secure the federal capital, how will you secure the country?" he asked, addressing the government."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1373841/a...heir-questionable-role-in-the-faizabad-sit-in


Why?

Ps. I can tell it is not because the state does not have enough tanks, F-16s, nuclear missiles, armoured divisions etc etc?

@Joe Shearer


And you thought my rather lazy sarcastic rejoinder to your post originally was trolling you.

Expected that devious mind to be able to get it



Anyways am done with this forum and the generations of zombies cheering the nation heading to becoming the next Somalia .....

Have fun and all the best driving sense
 
You think what Pakistan is? An angel land?Find someone else who would like to invest in Pakistan like an angel!

Calm down, China is getting guaranteed returns on investment. No free launch for us.
 

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