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Is Anyway to Counter the T-50 (PAK FA) jet fighters?

Come on man,let them first upgrade their SU-30Mk to the level that of SU-30MKI,after that they may start J-XX project

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do you cpme here for this only???

here, get some facts straight!

China ahead of schedule on fifth-generation

Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 2:40:03 AM by ErnstStavroBlofeld

A senior U.S. military intelligence official confirmed that China will be capable of deploying an advanced fifth generation fighter comparable to the U.S. F-22 within eight years, years ahead of previous Pentagon assessments.

“We're anticipating China to have a fifth-generation fighter ... operational right around 2018," said Wayne Ulman of the National Air and Space Intelligence Center. He made the comments before the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission on May 20.

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, in defending his decision to end production of the F-22, stated last year that China "is projected to have no fifth-generation aircraft by 2020."

Such advanced fighter bombers are cutting edge weapons that provide asymmetric warfare capabilities such as advanced propulsion, radar invisibility and high-speed maneuverability.

The comments by Ulman contradicted an assessment by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates who stated last year that China "is projected to have no fifth-generation aircraft by 2020" and only a "handful" by 2025. Gates made the comments in defending his decision to end production of the F-22 at 187 aircraft as part of his budget-cutting initiative.

Chinese Gen. He Weirong, the deputy commander of the Chinese Air Force, told Chinese state-run media in November that the new advanced jet would fly soon despite U.S. intelligence projections that it will not be ready for combat for at least 10 years.

“The capabilities of China’s air forces, particularly those of the PLAAF have improved dramatically over the course of the past decade,” said Ulman, a senior China analyst at NASIC. “From an overly-large, technologically inferior force, the PLAAF is emerging as a well-equipped and increasingly well-trained force with some identifiable shortcomings and weaknesses.”

China’s Air Force has grown in size and sophistication with advanced surface-to-air missiles and radar and new offensive-oriented missions.

regards!
 
@ blaster
want the fact findin mission to continue??

here you go:

China’s 5th generation J-14 Stealth Fighter
January 7, 2010 in China


While the Russian aircraft manufacturer Sukhoi is flight testing its T-50 PAKFA–the world is watching the tests very closely. Analysts are surprised that China too is testing its 5th generation aircraft (which it calls 4th generation). Beijing thinks that the F-22 is a 4th generation aircraft while the West considers it a 5th generation stealth fighter. With $30 Billion China building J-xx 5th generation fighter.

china-5th-gen.jpg


China’s fifth-generation fighters will reportedly have 4S capabilities: stealth, super cruise, super maneuverability and short take-off. According to Air Force Colonel Dai Xu, “its most striking characteristic is the capability of invisibility, which also could be called low detectability” (Global Times, November 10). The U.S. F-22 Raptor serves as the gold standard of fifth-generation fighters, which is currently the only fifth-generation fighter in service among all the world’s armed forces. According to General He’s interview, Chengdu Aircraft, the country’s leading fighter manufacturer, is reportedly developing the fighter with Shenyang Aircraft (Xinhua News Agency, November 9).

wanna have another look at PAK FA:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/56783-major-work-ahead-t-50-stealth-fighter.html

regards!
 
Ha Ha Ha ....... nice underestimated joke...... :what:

pay your gratitudes to people at GlobalSecurity, one of the most reliable source!

no they dont; wake up my indian fellows!

In June 2001, India was offered 'joint development and production' of this new 5th generation fighter by Russia. Russia had been trying to sell this concept both to China and India for some time. It seems probable that China declined to participate in this project given a belief that Russia stood to gain more from Chinese participation than did China. That is, it would seem that China had determined that it could produce a superior product without Russian help. With the first flight of the Russian stealth fighter in 2010, an arguably superior Chinese steath fighter might be expected to take to the skies not too long thereafter.


shall i say something as to what will we be doing to counter the PAK FA ;)

if every thing fails, we must try to get DRDO involved in the project and then it will die its on death!:lol:
PAK FA / T-50 / Project 701

;)

regards!
 
Come on man,let them first upgrade their SU-30Mk to the level that of SU-30MKI,after that they may start J-XX project

1.PLA doesnt have SU30MK,but SU30MKK. SU30MKK cant be uppgrated into SU30MKI since the different of airframe and different role.SU30MKK is served in the PLAN as an Air to Ground role.SU30MKI in Indian Air Force is for air superior.
2.Jxx project had been started for almost 10 years.The first prototype will take off at CAC ChengDu in one year according the PLAAF commander Lef.General He who made the comment in a China national staded CCTV interview in 2009.
3.The PLA wont buy any Russian T50.
 
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Pakistan and china started and finished the Jf-17 project in mere 4 years..Unlike Tejas,which has been going on for decades and still not finished.

I am not sure if Pakistan is a partner in the J-xx project,but if the two countries join hands,the J-xx may well be airborne before India gets their first delivery of PAK FA.
 
Russia infuriated with Chinese export copies of Su-27 jet fightersPosted by Matt in April 22nd, 2008

Russia has officially notified China of the fact that the production of J11 jet fighters, which copy Russia’s Su-27SK aircraft, violates international agreements. Moscow promised to launch legal proceedings to protect its intellectual property.

Russia’s attempts to settle down on China’s arms market have been made to no avail, the Nezavisimaya Gazeta reports. Chinese pirates have entered a new level of activity. They mastered the production technology and developed the Chinese production of Su-27 analogues with a view to subsequently export the planes to third world countries.

The military cooperation between Russia and China has not been very successful during the recent couple of years. Russia’s arms exports to China dropped by 62 percent. In addition, Russia does not sign any new defense cooperation contracts with China. For the time being, the two countries simply execute the previously signed contracts, the sum of which total about $1.8 billion




I dont think so even after this bitter experience Russians will ever think to repeat the same mistake again.

The true reason that Russia is angry is that China will no longer need to purchase Russian planes and they won't make as much money in the future. If they could some how stop the J-XX project and sell T-50s to China, they'll go for it. Business is business.
 
no they dont; wake up my indian fellows!




shall i say something as to what will we be doing to counter the PAK FA ;)

if every thing fails, we must try to get DRDO involved in the project and then it will die its on death!:lol:

regards!

hahaha good joke..Now start doing some serious research..
 
The title seems extremely vague as there are already multiple scenarios that can be built up from here. If we have to take this PAK-FA into a NATO vs Russia scenario, counter measures already exist in the form of JSF and F-22 raptor which should be effective enough to deal with.

However, if you want to take this to your regional level of South Asia, I doubt the fighter has any parallel coming anytime soon unless one of the rival air forces acquire the F-35 Lightning II from United States of America.
 
Old news,but it can prove something.
China Close To Testing Next-Gen Fighter
China Close To Testing Next-Gen Fighter | AVIATION WEEK

Nov 13, 2009
Bradley Perrett/Beijing

A Chinese fighter of nominally the same technology generation as the Lockheed Martin F-22 will soon enter flight testing, while a jet airlifter larger than the Airbus A400M should be unveiled by year-end.

Beijing’s fighter announcement suggests a serious failing in U.S. intelligence assessments, mocking a July 16 statement of U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates that China would have no fifth-generation fighters by 2020. Industrial competition looks more remote than strategic competition, however, since China will want to fill domestic requirements before offering the aircraft abroad, even if it judges export sales to be a wise policy.

The new fighter “is currently under development,” says Gen. He Weirong, deputy air force chief. “[It] may soon undertake its first flight, quickly enter flight testing and then quickly equip the forces.
“According to the current situation, [the entry into service] may take another eight to 10 years,” he adds.

No details of the aircraft were given, but it is almost certainly designed for supersonic cruise without afterburning. In April, Adm. Wu Shengli, the navy chief, listed supercruising fighters among equipment that his service needed. Notably, all the other equipment on his wish list looked quite achievable by the end of the next decade, matching the timing that the air force now suggests for the fighter.

China classifies aircraft of the F-22’s technology level as fourth-generation fighters, although they are called fifth-generation aircraft in the West. China’s current advanced fighter, the J-10, is locally called a third-generation aircraft, which in Chinese terms means that it is comparable with the Lockheed Martin F-16.

Work on “the fourth-generation aircraft is now proceeding intensely,” He says.

Whether the upcoming fighter is really comparable with the F-22 remains to be seen. Low radar reflectivity would not be surprising, since aircraft and missiles with stealthy shapes are now popping up in many countries, including South Korea as recently as last month (AW&ST Oct. 26-Nov. 2, p. 42). But sensor performance, information fusion and maximum supercruise speed would also be assessed critically in measuring a claim to have caught up with technology levels that the U.S. did not deploy until 2005.

The existence of a Chinese fifth-generation fighter, usually tagged J-XX, has been rumored for years without official confirmation.

If the aircraft does go into service before 2020, then at that time China may well have jumped past Britain, France and other Western European countries in terms of deployed, domestically developed combat-aircraft technology. That will depend on how quickly those countries move to field combat drones to replace current strike aircraft, says Andrew Brookes of the International Institute for Strategic Studies.


Brookes takes seriously the Chinese objective of technology equivalent to the F-22, and he sees no reason to doubt that the F-22 would be the standard against which they would judge their design. The know-how can be imported.

“The Russians have the technology and the Chinese have the money,” he says. “If they really set that as a target, then I think they can do it.”

The aircraft may not bother Western manufacturers in export markets, Brookes suggests, simply because an equivalent of the F-22 would be a destabilizing export that China would be prefer to keep to itself.

Even if China decides that it wants to export the fighter, Lockheed Martin should by then be well entrenched with the F-35, which should be mature and reliable at that point. Other manufactures may not be so well placed, however.

Gen. He made his remarks during an interview on China Central Television as part of the celebrations of the 60th anniversary of the air force of the People’s Republic of China. (The general’s surname is pronounced as “her” but without the “r.”)

China is probably working on two fifth-generation concepts, says Richard Fisher of the International Assessment and Strategy Center. One of those concepts, appearing most commonly in bits and pieces of evidence that have turned up from time to time, would be a heavy twin-engine fighter probably of about the same size as the F-22. The other is a single-engine aircraft probably closer to the Lockheed Martin F-35.

Gen. He could be referring to either of the aircraft when predicting an entry into service during the next decade. Fisher’s bet is that he is talking about the twin-engine concept.

Like Brookes, Fisher believes China is realistically aiming at the F-22’s technology level. “One has to assume that the People’s Liberation Army is confident in its projections, as it almost never makes such comments about future military programs, especially one that has been as closely held as its next-generation fighter.

“As such, one has to be asking very hard questions: How did the U.S. intelligence community get this one wrong? And inasmuch as no one expects the F-35 to replace the F-22 in the air superiority role, is it time to acknowledge that F-22 production termination is premature and that a much higher number is needed to sustain deterrence in Asia?”

In his July 16 speech, Gates said that even in 2025 China would have but a handful of fifth-generation aircraft.
The new Chinese fighter could come from the Chengdu or Shenyang plants of Avic Defense.

Gen. He says the Chinese air force plans to emphasize development of four capabilities: reconnaissance and early warning, air strike, strategic supply, and air and missile defense.

The J-10 began large-scale service entry in 2006, state media say.

When Wu raised the prospect of a supercruising fighter, an easy answer seemed to be an advanced version of the J-10. That looks less likely now that He describes the future concept as a full generation ahead of the J-10.

“I believe the Chinese have a difficult road if their design is tied to the J-10,” says a U.S. Air Force officer involved in the development of the F-35. “Significantly reduced signature requires more than coatings. It requires an integrated design philosophy with the right shaping, the right structure and the right surface coatings.”

Fisher assumes that China is developing improved fourth-generation fighters in parallel with the fifth generation.

The existence of the airlifter has been known for several years, if only because pictures of it have appeared fleetingly in presentations by the Chinese aviation conglomerate Avic.

As expected, it turns out to be a product of Avic’s large-airplane subsidiary, Avic Aircraft and, more specifically, of the subsidiary’s core plant, Xi’an Aircraft.

Avic Aircraft General Manager Hu Xiaofeng says the airlifter is in the 200-metric-ton class and will be unveiled at the end of this year.

In fact, its design has already unveiled in pictures shown by state media. The four-engine aircraft adopts the universal high-wing, T-tail configuration. The wing is mounted on top of the circular body, rather than passing through a deep segment of it and cutting out much of the usable cross-section. In that respect it is like the A400M, Ilyushin Il-76 and Kawasaki C-X but unlike the C-17, whose embedded wing presents less frontal
The main gear of the Chinese aircraft is housed in very protuberant sponsons, like those of the C-17.

A photograph of the cockpit shows five electronic displays of moderate size and conventional transport-style control columns. Engines are not revealed but would presumably be imported from Russia. A wind-tunnel model shows the engines are enclosed in long nacelles, like those of the Perm PS-90 from Russia.

The PS-90 has a standard maximum thrust of 35,300 lb. in its latest version. The C-17, with a gross weight of 265 tons, is powered by four Pratt & Whitney F117 engines of 40,400 lb. thrust.

The airlifter’s fuselage appears to be of conventional metal construction. The aircraft will be significantly larger than the A400M, which has a 141-metric-ton gross weight.

Hu says it has been independently developed in China. However, his parent company, Avic, has a long history of cooperation with Ukrainian airlifter specialist Antonov.


With David A. Fulghum in Washington.
 
IF THAT picture above is not a fake photo from some computer game then great for china.

But don,t think that the chinease are going to let Pakistan join a multi billion programme for peanuts.

By the time the first FC20 ARRIVES IN 2014-2015 the J10 will have been serving for nearly a decade with china.

This constant Pdf COMMENTS that china will simply pluck super expensive military hardware out of the sky and just hand it PAF is just dreamworld.

For the record India is INVESTING $6 BILLION to take wat maybe no more than a 25% slice in PAKFA FGFA and will take until 2018-2020 to enter indian service.

How many $billions will Pakistan invest in JXX

That assuming china lets you join & assuming it even exists
 
the thing is how successfull will be china in making a 5th generation jet. they have not made any fighter jet up until now without significant help from Russians.
So I have some very serious doubts whether China can compete with Russian expertise in this area.
 
Lol the chinsese might steal 5th generation tech from the Russians and make copies.Like previous fighter jets
 

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