Saab Receives Airborne Surveillance Order

[RangeMaster]

Pakistan....???

18 May 2020
Saab has signed a contract and received an order for the Airborne Early Warning and Control solution Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C. The order value is 1.553 billion SEK. Deliveries will be made between 2020 and 2023.
The industry’s nature is such that due to circumstances concerning the product and customer, further information about the customer will not be announced.
Saab 2000 Erieye AEW&C is a complete AEW&C system with multi-role and multi-mission capabilities for both military and civil needs.
It is based on the Saab 2000 aircraft equipped with Saab’s airborne radar Erieye and a range of other sensors. The solution gives the user detailed situational awareness and can be used for tasks including border surveillance and search-and-rescue operations.
Saab will carry out the work in Gothenburg, Järfälla, Linköping, Luleå and Arboga, Sweden.
For further information, please contact:
Saab Press Centre,
Ann Wolgers, Press Officer
+46 (0)734 180 018,
presscentre@saabgroup.com
www.saabgroup.com
www.saabgroup.com/YouTube

 

[Gryphon]

Pakistan and Saudi are the only operators of Saab 2000-based Erieye.

A new AEW squadron for Bholari AFB is rumoured, whether PAF is the buyer remains to be seen.

 

[Beast]

Pakistan and Saudi are the only operators of Saab 2000-based Erieye.

A new AEW squadron for Bholari AFB is rumoured, whether PAF is the buyer remains to be seen.

Royal Thai Airforce.....

 

[HRK]

Royal Thai Airforce.....

but they use SAAB-340 aircraft ....

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

but they use SAAB-340 aircraft ....

SAAB 340 might be hard to get hold of.

 

[HRK]

Pakistan and Saudi are the only operators of Saab 2000-based Erieye.

A new AEW squadron for Bholari AFB is rumoured, whether PAF is the buyer remains to be seen.

Sain keep tracking Exim trade info .... there is similar pattern as previous ....

 

[Gryphon]

Sain keep tracking Exim trade info .... there is similar pattern as previous ....

Thailand's purchases don't remain undisclosed for long - we will know sooner than later.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Pakistan and Saudi are the only operators of Saab 2000-based Erieye.

A new AEW squadron for Bholari AFB is rumoured, whether PAF is the buyer remains to be seen.

Sain keep tracking Exim trade info .... there is similar pattern as previous ....

SAAB 340 might be hard to get hold of.

So in USD, this order is worth about $160 m. Based on past MoDP reports, the PAF was able to buy Erieye AEW&C systems for around $90-95 m each. This includes the 6th Erieye, i.e., the 3rd unit from the follow-on batch announced in 2017.

But the repair of the 4th Erieye had cost $130 m (we can speculate that this cost might have included the 4th unit at $90-ish m plus parts for the other two damaged units, which the PAF said cost around $20-30 m).

So @HRK @Gryphon here is the thing: If the PAF is the one who made this order, then what are they getting for $160 M? Either:

1. Saab lowered the cost of the Erieye so that we can now get them for $80 m, i.e., 2 systems, which is possible as it's an older system.

2. Saab raised the cost so that it now costs $160 M for one unit, which is also possible.

3. Or the PAF ordered 1 Erieye-ER. This could make sense as it would mean a cost that is almost double that of the older Erieye. The 3-year delivery timeline could point to the new work needed to integrate the ER to the Saab 2000.

 

[Gryphon]

While Saab declined to provide further details, the nature of the system, the contract value, and the delivery timelines all indicate that the order is likely to be for between two and three systems.


Given that Saab’s primary AEW&C offering is the Bombardier 6000/6500-based GlobalEye, utilising the Erieye Extended-Range (ER) radar, it is likely that the Saab 2000-based platforms are for a follow-on customer looking to augment their existing fleet, rather than a new customer looking to acquire the latest solution. The only two customers already known to operate the Saab 2000 AEW&C are Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/2020/05/18/0b99921b-8d67-4b50-97d5-8569f36fa846

At least, Jane's shares my opinion.

@HRK

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

While Saab declined to provide further details, the nature of the system, the contract value, and the delivery timelines all indicate that the order is likely to be for between two and three systems.


Given that Saab’s primary AEW&C offering is the Bombardier 6000/6500-based GlobalEye, utilising the Erieye Extended-Range (ER) radar, it is likely that the Saab 2000-based platforms are for a follow-on customer looking to augment their existing fleet, rather than a new customer looking to acquire the latest solution. The only two customers already known to operate the Saab 2000 AEW&C are Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/2020/05/18/0b99921b-8d67-4b50-97d5-8569f36fa846

At least, Jane's shares my opinion.

@HRK

Saudi Arabia and Sweden have issues, so a decent chance it's Pakistan.

 

[nomi007]

Saudi Arabia and Sweden have issues, so a decent chance it's Pakistan.

any chance of Erieye ER for saab 2000

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

any chance of Erieye ER for saab 2000

We don't know. Likeliest is 2 new regular Erieye.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

any chance of Erieye ER for saab 2000

Since both SAAB-340 and SAAB-2000 is out of production for quite some time it probably do not make sense for SAAB to put the next generation in those aircrafts.

This comment: ”Deliveries will be made between 2020 and 2023” indicates they are delivering more than one thing. It could simply be a capability upgrade.

 

[HRK]

Thailand's purchases don't remain undisclosed for long - we will know sooner than later.

we already have 5 or 6 extra SAAB-2000 airframes ..... I am just thinking on these lines ....

So in USD, this order is worth about $160 m. Based on past MoDP reports, the PAF was able to buy Erieye AEW&C systems for around $90-95 m each. This includes the 6th Erieye, i.e., the 3rd unit from the follow-on batch announced in 2017.

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But the repair of the 4th Erieye had cost $130 m (we can speculate that this cost might have included the 4th unit at $90-ish m plus parts for the other two damaged units, which the PAF said cost around $20-30 m).

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So @HRK @Gryphon here is the thing: If the PAF is the one who made this order, then what are they getting for $160 M? Either:

1. Saab lowered the cost of the Erieye so that we can now get them for $80 m, i.e., 2 systems, which is possible as it's an older system.

2. Saab raised the cost so that it now costs $160 M for one unit, which is also possible.

3. Or the PAF ordered 1 Erieye-ER. This could make sense as it would mean a cost that is almost double that of the older Erieye. The 3-year delivery timeline could point to the new work needed to integrate the ER to the Saab 2000.

- I think I agree with you notion of recovery cost of 4th AEW&C in 2015-2016 include both SAAB-2000 Aircraft recovery expenses plus integration expense plus Erieye AEW&C Radar.

- While in 2017 the cost of 6th AEW&C 'Aircraft' [$94.95 million] represent Erieye radar plus cost of single second hand SAAB-2000 aircraft ....

- Here keep in mind we are purchasing additional SAAB-2000 airframes since 2016-2017

- As Alan Warners reported [click here] we in 2017 purchased 3 Erieye AEW radars at the cost of roughly around $40 million each

Saab issued a press release on May 15 announcing that it had signed an AEW&C contract worth SEK 1.35bn (£120m), with deliveries being made from 2017 until 2020. It will not disclose the customer, as is its usual policy, but it is likely this is the same deal.

- So even if the price have increased in 2020 to some extent we may be looking for at least 3 more Erieye Radars ....

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

According to EXIM the PAF received 2 additional Saab 2000 aircraft, literally in the last 2 days.

Can someone do aircraft registry or fleet tracker check?

@Gryphon @HRK