Iran's New Satellite "Khayyam" Launched into Orbit from Kazakhstan Station

[Nevsky]

Russophiles are out of their caves again. For 30+ years having delivered no worthy military equipment, constant violation of deals,constant flirting with the zionist regime etc will be forgiven because of a simple satellite launch.

Makes you really wonder about their IQ.

We are in the same boat now, like it or not. No point in fighting or looking in the past.

 

[SalarHaqq]

We are in the same boat now, like it or not. No point in fighting or looking in the past.

The extent reached by the rift separating Russia from the west as a result of the Ukraine crisis should not be underestimated. There'll be no going back for many years to come. The door is wide open for increased, mutually beneficial cooperation between Iran and Russia.

 

[QWECXZ]

When the whole system that made these weapons purchases possible was premised on Iran ceding her national sovereignty to the Americans and zionists, then these two topics can no longer be analyzed separately.

Iran could not use those shiny weapons without the 40.000 American military advisers stationed on her soil and enjoying legal immunity for whatever crime they'd commit against Iranian citizens (capitulation treaty). It was the Islamic Republic which went through the hassle of acquiring the capability to operate and maintain them domestically. For that, the shah regime had to be overthrown.

The JCPOA was never going to be put into practice, the Leader knew it when he told Rohani right at the start of the negotiations that he does not trust the Americans and does not believe a functioning deal can ever be reached with Washington.

Also there's a difference between having one's political leeway limited as a result of sanctions, and giving up actual sovereignty. The former is a natural consequence of power politics, the latter puts a foreign entity directly in control of the nation's decision making.

Iran didn't cede an inch of maritime territory in that deal.

These are your claims. History proved otherwise. Not only Iran used those weapons during the 8 year war without the US support, but those purchases continue to support our today's military industry. The IRIAF has been busy for at least 2 decades modifying and reverse engineering F-5. Azaraskh, Saegheh and Kowsar all are based on F-5 that the Shah purchased from the US. Owj engine is nothing but a reverse engineered version of J85. I can't see Iran achieving any of these things without having F-5 in our inventory in the first place.

The JCPOA has handicapped Iran's nuclear program to this date unfortunately. Iran's nuclear program needs to unchain itself from the limits that have been imposed on us since 2003. I'm not talking about nuclear weapons now, although you know that I am a strong advocate for nuclear weapons. But even as a civilian nuclear program, Iran's nuclear program has become handicapped because of political decisions that are not justified. We have discussed the numbers a million times before and you know why Iran is not self-sufficient in the nuclear industry.

Iran did lose maritime territory in that deal. Prior to that deal, Iran's share of the Caspian Sea post-soviet era was at best legally undefined. Ahmadinejad tried to keep it that way until Rouhani gave in and signed a deal that gives Iran only 13% of the Caspian Sea.

We are in the same boat now, like it or not. No point in fighting or looking in the past.

We are indeed in the same boat now. And nobody says that the past should prevent us from cooperating now.
But history is there to teach us valuable lessons and one should not be too optimistic when there isn't strong evidence to support it.

Russia and Iran cooperate with each other out of necessity, not out of friendship or a strategic alliance.

 

[SalarHaqq]

These are your claims. History proved otherwise. Not only Iran used those weapons during the 8 year war without the US support, but those purchases continue to support our today's military industry. The IRIAF has been busy for at least 2 decades modifying and reverse engineering F-5. Azaraskh, Saegheh and Kowsar all are based on F-5 that the Shah purchased from the US. Owj engine is nothing but a reverse engineered version of J85. I can't see Iran achieving any of these things without having F-5 in our inventory in the first place.

As said, it's the IRI which set up a proper aviation industry in Iran. The US would not allow Iran to operate one. Washington would maintain control over any game changing weaponry it sold Iran, this was the nature of Iran-USA relations before the Revolution. It's not my claim but attested to by historic findings.

And it's not just the case of Iran, this is standard US policy vis à vis client states, especially in the global south.

Iran's nuclear program has become handicapped because of political decisions that are not justified. We have discussed the numbers a million times before and you know why Iran is not self-sufficient in the nuclear industry.

I don't believe Iran needs nuclear weapons to guarantee her security for the time being - maybe these will become essential in the future (by which time I might advocate acquiring them), but for now I don't think that's the case.

When it comes to the development of the civilian nuclear infrastructure, I am opposed to arbitrary limitations as well. However in the face of zio-American mobilization and also in the face of a domestic liberal faction which exerts pressures of its own upon the system, it may become necessary to take a temporary step back in order to take two steps forward at a later point - so that in the meantime, domestic proponents of wide scale concessions can be delegitimized, that political capital can be gained vis à vis the US regime when people like Trump rip up the deal etc. And this can turn into a longer protracted effort.

Iran did lose maritime territory in that deal. Prior to that deal, Iran's share of the Caspian Sea post-soviet era was undefined. Ahmadinejad tried to keep it that way until Rouhani gave in and signed a deal that gives Iran only 13% of the Caspian Sea.

Every littoral state's share was undefined. So that doesn't qualify as losing territory, since there was no effective delimitation that the 2018 Convention could have restricted.

Also Iran refrained from ratifying the agreement - in spite of Russia's insistence. Which goes to show that Moscow isn't in a position to simply dictate terms to Iran.

Russia Tries To Work Around Iran’s Failure To Ratify 2018 Caspian Convention – OpEd

Four years ago, the five Caspian littoral states signed an agreement on the delimitation of the sea and agreed to exclude the military forces of all non-littoral states from that body of water. In …

www.eurasiareview.com

Even though some outside observers found the Convention to be advantageous for Iran, the length of whose shoreline on the Caspian is inferior to 13% (total length is 7000 km, Iran's share is 740 km i.e. around 10,58%).

https://thearabweekly.com/iran-emerges-biggest-winner-caspian-summit

Finally, a series of aspects pertaining to the legal status of the Caspian Sea are not addressed by the treaty. It represents only a partial attempt at a resolution.

 

[QWECXZ]

As said, it's the IRI which set up a proper aviation industry in Iran. The US would not allow Iran to operate one. Washington would maintain control over any game changing goodies it sold Iran, this is not my claim but is attested to by historic findings.



I don't believe Iran needs nuclear weapons to guarantee her security for the time being - maybe these will become essential in the future (by which time I might advocate acquiring them), but for now I don't think it's the case.

When it comes to the development of Iran's civilian nuclear infrastructure, I am opposed to arbitrary limitations as well however in the face of zio-American mobilization and also in the face of a domestic liberal faction which exerts pressures of its own on the system, it may become necessary to take a step back temporarily in order to take two steps forward at a later point (to delegitimize domestic proponents of wide scale concessions, to gain political capital vis à vis the US when people like Trump rip up the deal etc). And this can turn into a long protracted effort.



Every littoral state's share was undefined. So that doesn't qualify as losing territory, since there was no effective delimitation that the 2018 Convention could have restricted.

Also Iran didn't ratify the agreement in spite of Russia's insistence, which goes to show that Moscow isn't in a position to simply dictate terms to Iran.

Russia Tries To Work Around Iran’s Failure To Ratify 2018 Caspian Convention – OpEd

Four years ago, the five Caspian littoral states signed an agreement on the delimitation of the sea and agreed to exclude the military forces of all non-littoral states from that body of water. In …

www.eurasiareview.com

This is despite the fact that some outside observers found the Convention to be advantageous for Iran, the length of whose shoreline on the Caspian is inferior to 13% (total length is 7000 km, Iran's share is 740 km).

https://thearabweekly.com/iran-emerges-biggest-winner-caspian-summit

Finally, a series of aspects pertaining to the legal status of the Caspian Sea are not addressed by the treaty. It represents only a partial attempt at a resolution.

The IRI set up an aviation industry, but it was based on imports by the Shah. And the trace of Shah's imports is not limited only to the aviation industry. We have reverse engineered and modified Hawk missiles as Shahin and Shalamcheh. The Bushehr nuclear reactor continues to operate equipment from the Shah era made by Siemens. The Tehran nuclear research reactor was purchased in 1960s by the Shah which has enabled Iran to produce radiopharmaceuticals The technology of isotope separation was transferred to Iran in 1970s. These are only the examples that I could think off the top of my head but I'm sure there's many more. You know very well that many of our today's achievements were completely impossible without relying on existing systems in Iran.

We have decided to agree to disagree over Iran's needs for nuclear weapons, but I already mentioned that I wasn't talking about nuclear arms. Even as a civilian program, Iran's nuclear program is facing severe political restrictions. Our need for self-sufficiency in nuclear fuel is 190K SWU/year, and if we add new reactors under construction in Bushehr, it will easily go above 550K SWU/year, but our current enrichment capacity doesn't reach even 10% of what we need for self-sufficiency. Natanz and Fordow have been constructed to host well over 1 million SWU/year, and yet Iran tries to make political statements by installing a few cascades of a small number of IR-6 centrifuges. That's pathetic.

As for the Caspian Sea, prior to our agreement, we could explore and exploit resources in the Caspian Sea without legal consequences. When it is undefined, it is basically left to whoever that has more power; at least when it comes to countries that are not permanent members of the UN Security Council like Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, even to some extent Kazakhstan. But now that Iran's share has been agreed upon, we can no longer do that. It was clearly in Iran's best interest to keep the status quo.

Again, for the record, I am not against cooperation with Russia. However, one should not be unrealistically optimistic about the extent of our cooperation. On a different note, the Khayyam satellite would've been well within our scientific reach both in terms of spatial resolution and payload delivery by our own SLVs had the Rouhani administration not shut down our space program for nearly 8 years.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The system delivered to Iran was much more evolved than the export version Iran signed a deal for in 2007.

not more advance than what Iran produced later , Russia gave hat because there was no line for s-300 production so they had to use some s-400 part. but that's not the problem , problem is they only gave it after they saw Iran can produce equal system and under threat of having had to pay for breach in deal. and when USA abandoned them and said as far as we are concerned the system is defensive.

ran could hardly use those shiny weapons without the 40.000 American military advisers stationed on her soil and enjoying legal immunity for whatever crime they'd commit against Iranian citizens (capitulation treaty signed by the shah regime).

many time i hear that , but strangely Iran actually used them without US technician . wonder which one i accept.

It was the Islamic Republic which went through the hassle of acquiring the capability to fully operate and maintain this armament domestically. For that the shah regime had to be overthrown.

but they were used from day one of war.

Iran didn't cede maritime territory in that resolution.

then how you guys claim shah ceded Bahrain ? isn't situation on that matter is also the same

As said, it's the IRI which set up a proper aviation industry in Iran. The US would not allow Iran to operate one. Washington would maintain control over any game changing weaponry it sold Iran, this was the nature of Iran-USA relations before the Revolution. It's not my claim but attested to by historic findings.

again how Iran could use them from the day one of war if it was the case of them

I don't believe Iran needs nuclear weapons to guarantee her security for the time being - maybe these will become essential in the future (by which time I might advocate acquiring them), but for now I don't think that's the case.

well Quran teaching say something else

When it comes to the development of the civilian nuclear infrastructure, I am opposed to arbitrary limitations as well. However in the face of zio-American mobilization and also in the face of a domestic liberal faction which exerts pressures of its own upon the system, it may become necessary to take a step back temporarily in order to take two steps forward at a later point - so that in the meantime, domestic proponents of wide scale concessions can be delegitimized, that political capital can be gained vis à vis the US regime when people like Trump rip up the deal etc. And this can turn into a longer protracted effort.

so you support khatami and Rouhani move on the matter and what Zarif was trying to achieve

Every littoral state's share was undefined. So that doesn't qualify as losing territory, since there was no effective delimitation that the 2018 Convention could have restricted.

Also Iran refrained from ratifying the agreement - in spite of Russia's insistence. Which goes to show that Moscow isn't in a position to simply dictate terms to Iran.

your idea about Bahrain ?

 

[SalarHaqq]

The IRI set up an aviation industry, but it was based on imports by the Shah. And the trace of Shah's imports is not limited only to the aviation industry. We have reverse engineered and modified Hawk missiles as Shahin and Shalamcheh. The Bushehr nuclear reactor continues to operate equipment from the Shah era made by Siemens. The Tehran nuclear research reactor was purchased in 1960s by the Shah which has enabled Iran to produce radiopharmaceuticals The technology of isotope separation was transferred to Iran in 1970s. These are only the examples that I could think off the top of my head but I'm sure there's many more. You know very well that many of our today's achievements were completely impossible without relying on existing systems in Iran.

Yes, the shah regime used to pay foreigners quite the fortune for imports, maintenance and spare parts deliveries.

The Islamic Republic however does not believe in such dependence on outside powers, nor in allowing Iran to be turned into a vassal state of imperial bloodsuckers, including those whose predecessors exterminated half of Iran's population in a genocide.

The two political models aren't comparable. Obviously the Islamic Republic had to start somewhere, to use what was readily available for some of its initial reverse engineering efforts. But much of Iran's strategic weaponry, including ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, submarines and so on weren't built on samples inherited from the former regime. And it's not the former regime that taught the IR how to set up independent production lines.

We have decided to agree to disagree over Iran's needs for nuclear weapons, but I already mentioned that I wasn't talking about nuclear arms. Even as a civilian program, Iran's nuclear program is facing severe political restrictions. Our need for self-sufficiency in nuclear fuel is 190K SWU/year, and if we add new reactors under construction in Bushehr, it will easily go above 550K SWU/year, but our current enrichment capacity doesn't reach even 10% of what we need for self-sufficiency. Natanz and Fordow have been constructed to host well over 1 million SWU/year, and yet Iran tries to make political statements by installing a few cascades of a small number of IR-6 centrifuges. That's pathetic.

As you know Iran's planned civilian nuclear projects are way more extensive, as per AEOI statements. It needs time to take shape given the intricate political conditions.

Meanwhile JCPOA's II and III, which the reformists and moderates were seeking to push through have been averted, while the future of JCPOA I looks bleak, at least in its current farcical shape where there's no guarantee that the US regime will abide by its commitments beyond the present administration.

This result would have been harder to achieve if the liberals hadn't been allowed to strike their little deal only to be slapped in the face right afterwards by Trump. I see lots of clear-sightedness, cool headed calculus, subtle maneuvering and astute long term planning from the revolutionary core of the nezam here.

As for the Caspian Sea, prior to our agreement, we could explore and exploit resources in the Caspian Sea without legal consequences. When it is undefined, it is basically left to whoever that has more power; at least when it comes to countries that are not permanent members of the UN Security Council like Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, even to some extent Kazakhstan. But now that Iran's share has been agreed upon, we can no longer do that. It was clearly in Iran's best interest to keep the status quo.

Maybe that's why Iran hasn't ratified the Convention. This said, how realistic is it to expect the rest of the littoral states to agree to this sort of a legal grey zone ad vitam aeternam, and for Iran to still have her way against their collective opposition.

Again, for the record, I am not against cooperation with Russia. However, one should not be unrealistically optimistic about the extent of our cooperation.

I'm not. However I am indeed enthusiastic about the fact that bilateral cooperation is set to increase from now on. Even if the steps taken will be small, slow and gradual.

We can look at the opposite side's perspective: the common enemy is extremely sensitive to the slightest progress in Iran-Russia and Iran-China ties, to the most embryonic formation of an alternative power bloc to its hegemony. But they're not unwarrantedly paranoid, there are good reasons for their anxiety.

On a different note, the Khayyam satellite would've been well within our scientific reach both in terms of spatial resolution and payload delivery by our own SLVs had the Rouhani administration not shut down our space program for nearly 8 years.

True. This said Iran's space program has picked up pace now. Here's hoping liberals will be kept away from the levers of power for many years and better yet for all time to come.

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not more advance than what Iran produced later , Russia gave hat because there was no line for s-300 production so they had to use some s-400 part. but that's not the problem , problem is they only gave it after they saw Iran can produce equal system and under threat of having had to pay for breach in deal. and when USA abandoned them and said as far as we are concerned the system is defensive.

I'll take that any day over an imperial oppressor which will strip Iran of her sovereignty in exchange for overpriced shiny toys it won't even allow Iocal maintenance of.

many time i hear that , but strangely Iran actually used them without US technician . wonder which one i accept.

40.000 US military personnel must have been sleeping all day in Iran. Now we know they were receiving astronomic, disproportionate wages, generally sourced from US taxpayers' money, but not all of them were inactive all the time.

Everything was dependent on the US. Starting with spare parts. After a while, Iran would not have been able to fly any of her more advanced jets absent American supplies and assistance. The aftermath of the Islamic Revolution and the gigantic efforts which had to be put into keeping the IRIAF airworthy, including building an autonomous support infrastructure from scratch, are evidence to that.

but they were used from day one of war.

again how Iran could use them from the day one of war if it was the case of them

They wouldn't have been flying for long if it wasn't for the parallel build up of a domestic independent maintenance capability.

There was no spare parts production facility for F-4's, F-14's etc. "Uncle Sam" can't be whitewashed with fictive resources.

well Quran teaching say something else

Anything related to the topic is subject to ejtehad. I'm not a religious scholar, hence my use of conditional tense.

so you support khatami and Rouhani move on the matter and what Zarif was trying to achieve

Really, Khatami and Rohani and Zarif were bent on delegitimizing their own selves? Whew, tell the zionists and Americans to go look for a more competent fifth column then.

your idea about Bahrain ?

There are differences between the two dossiers. Also Iran did not ratify the Convention on the Caspian.

 

[Stryker1982]

We are in the same boat now, like it or not. No point in fighting or looking in the past.

Fair assessment, I do not think this launch would've have occurred under the previous status quo before February 24th. I for one look forward to seeing how relations develop given this new world. I do not think Russia should forget that NATO countries are responsible for numerous deaths of Russian Service members in favour of short term deals, and should be cautious to cooperate with them + Israel on matters regarding Iran.

If they really want to annoy them, they should be expanding support with Iran like this launch

 

[Hack-Hook]

40.000 US military personnel must have been sleeping all day in Iran. Now we know they were receiving astronomic, disproportionate wages, generally sourced from US taxpayers' money, but not all of them were inactive all the time.

Everything was dependent on the US. Starting with spare parts. After a while, Iran would not have been able to fly any of her more advanced jets absent American supplies and assistance. The aftermath of the Islamic Revolution and the gigantic efforts which had to be put into keeping the IRIAF airworthy, including building an autonomous support infrastructure from scratch, are evidence to that.

so you claim iran could not operate them without usa assistance ,I say iran managed to operate them in war without usa assistance . how islamic republic in one night manage to do that ? explain it to me.

Anything related to the topic is subject to ejtehad. I'm no religious scholar, hence my use of conditional tense.

Quran is not subject to ijtihad, and Quran text on being prepared for war and acquiring weapon of war to defend your self is clear and leave no place for any more interpretation .

They wouldn't have been flying for long if it wasn't for the parallel build up of a domestic independent maintenance capability.

There was no spare parts production facility for F-4's, F-14's etc. "Uncle Sam" can't be whitewashed with fictive resources.

they have flew for 2-3 years with the spare that come with them.my question is not if those spares could last 1 year , two year a decade,? i ask if Iran technicians were not allowed to maintain the airplanes before the war how come they managed to do so after the war start.

Really, Khatami and Rohani and Zarif were bent on delegitimizing their own selves? Whew, tell the zionists and Americans to go look for a more competent fifth column then.

but right now you said something about the necessity of time , why there is such necessity right now at the time of sleepy joe but there was not such necessity at the time of khatami for example ? does it have anything to do with their party

here are differences between the two dossiers. Also Iran did not ratify the Convention on the Caspian.

what's the difference ?
and ratify what , the other country around Caspian sea are extracting the resource under sea bed as by this dividing they took places that were at most 50m deep , our share become only places that are 900+m deep.
`wonder what you have taught about it if it was not Ahmadinejad handiwork , the guy who didn't knew Iran flag is green not blue
you can say i didn't ratify it for next 100 year , change the fact that its happening right now.

 

[lydian fall]

The USA have heavily damaged our country for 7 decades

And British almost destroyed our country in worldwar 2 and also created Wahhabism, Bahaiism and Zionists

Stop trash talking against our thick and thin allies my birdbrain fellows

 

[mingle]

Nice Name my favorite my beloved,, Omer Khayyam,,

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

I'm going to watch this cautiously.

If it suddenly decays and falls out of orbit or the signal is "lost", I won't be the least surprised - both those things have happened in the past when Tehran sought Moscow's help.

Hopefully, the domestic SLV will be mature enough to launch heavy payloads soon, bypassing the need to rely on an outside party.

 

[mohsen]

many time i hear that , but strangely Iran actually used them without US technician . wonder which one i accept.

Like Iran used the Iraqi Mirages. thanks to no one.


also the "use" is a funny word, considering Iraqi fighters used to enter Iran, on a routine time and place and flight path, hundreds of kilometers deep inside Iran, our radars could very well see them too, but only F5 were sent to engage.

 

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

Like Iran used the Iraqi Mirages. thanks to no one.


also the "use" is a funny word, considering Iraqi fighters used to enter Iran, on a routine time and place and flight path, hundreds of kilometers deep inside Iran, our radars could very well see them too, but only F5 were sent to engage.

There was this reference I found in a book that the F-14 spare parts Iran had in it's inventory were locked within a vault with a series of complicated locks.

When the Revolution happened, the Americans who knew how to open it fled and Iran was left with parts it couldn't access until it finally forced open the safe.

 

[khansaheeb]

Bro you are my best friend

Of course a great day for Iran and many more good days and seasons will come

As far as I am awared most parts of this satellite is made by Iranians except some parts like cameras

So it is a observation satellite?