France starts ban on full-face veil

[iPakMan]

ipakman stop writing garabage. your naive mind is astounding.

Hawk Eyes, my suggestion to you would be to stop acting like garbage. Your way of thinking and rationalizing evil is disgusting.

 

[fallstuff]

The focus is now, not the past.

Christianity also has its darkest time one thousand years ago.

However, we are living now, not in the past.



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Well than put a disclaimer next time when you a make a post like that. I doubt you understand the point of contention. The Burqa Act has more do with Sarkozy's politics than Islam.

 

[ephone]

Well than put a disclaimer next time when you a make a post like that. I doubt you understand the point of contention. The Burqa Act has more do with Sarkozy's politics than Islam.

What disclaimer? Are we not living at the same time as Sarkozy lives???

Are newly passed French law in this matter not affecting anyone in current France???

Will such law not create effects in other countries as well in current time???

The Burqa act is exactly targeted to one group of people since outside people have show great discomfort against such clothes and associated such clothes with backward culture and terrorists. Simply saying it is only politics is just to fool yourself.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

You did not see my question mark???

You did not feel I am being sarcastic???

I feel that you are just jabbering without making any clear point or argument. People look at Islam and only see what is on the surface of it. They do not take the time to dive deep into its depths to find out the truth of its hidden treasures. Most people only see the issue of hijab. They see a muslim woman covered and assume she is oppressed. They then do not go beyond that to find out what Islam truly says regarding women.

Islam gave women the right to vote, own property, and the right of sustenance over 1400 years ago. The right to vote was only given to women in the west within the last 100 years. The woman in a marriage has the right to keep all her money if she works. She does not have to contribute to the household upkeep or care for any children. Islam places all financial responsibility on the male.

If a woman inherits, she gets to keep 100% of her inheritance. She does not have to spend any of it on her husband, children, or household upkeep. She does not have to pay a mortgage or car payment. She does not have to pay for food or utilities. She does not have to pay for clothing or childcare. Her money can be spent on anything she wishes. A man however has the responsibility of all financial matters so who has got more rights here : husband or wife?

Also Islamic law says that the husband does not have the right to force his wife to cook, clean, or care for the children. She can even demand payment for breastfeeding her child. Now most mothers love their children and would not demand payment for breastfeeding but Islam puts this law into effect to show that women are not slaves to their husbands. If a woman chooses to do all of these things, then that is her choice free and clear.

When a Muslim woman exercises this freedom of choice, she is considered oppressed. This constant thought process of oppression must be removed from the people's minds. All Muslim women are doing is exercising their freedom of choice. This is true liberation. Not the illusion of liberation that is often found in western societies.

Islam takes care of all aspects of a woman's life. It demands she is given respect and care from her birth until her death. When the Prophet of Islam (pbuh) was once asked after Allah (swt) and His Prophet (pbuh) who has the most rights over me? The Prophet (pbuh) replied "Your mother". Again the Prophet (pbuh) was asked and again He replied your mother. A third time He was asked and a third time he replied, "Your mother". Then on the fourth occasion, He replied your father. This is to show the respect given to women by Islam. Yes it is quite true that Muslims today do not practice this respect. Women are killed in so called honor killings. This is totally against Islam. People must look at what Islam says. If I tell you to not go and kill someone but you do it anyway. Am I to blame? No one would blame me for your action because I warned you against the action. No one would label me a murderer or oppressor because of your action. But this very thing is what takes place in today's society. Muslims are going out and performing actions against Islam, and the people are blaming Islam. Islam has nothing to do with the oppressive actions of its people.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

The Burqa act is exactly targeted to one group of people since outside people have show great discomfort against such clothes and associated such clothes with backward culture and terrorists. Simply saying it is only politics is just to fool yourself.

lol you did not told me danger of Burqa Its very stupid of you to associate Burqa a dress code with terrorism when there is never a link between these two. Burqa never been used for terrorism or for any other crimes. Bring some evidence to prove ur false assumptions

Time to grow up baby

 

[Burnz]

I feel that you are just jabbering without making any clear point or argument. People look at Islam and only see what is on the surface of it. They do not take the time to dive deep into its depths to find out the truth of its hidden treasures. Most people only see the issue of hijab. They see a muslim woman covered and assume she is oppressed. They then do not go beyond that to find out what Islam truly says regarding women.

Islam gave women the right to vote, own property, and the right of sustenance over 1400 years ago. The right to vote was only given to women in the west within the last 100 years. The woman in a marriage has the right to keep all her money if she works. She does not have to contribute to the household upkeep or care for any children. Islam places all financial responsibility on the male.

If a woman inherits, she gets to keep 100% of her inheritance. She does not have to spend any of it on her husband, children, or household upkeep. She does not have to pay a mortgage or car payment. She does not have to pay for food or utilities. She does not have to pay for clothing or childcare. Her money can be spent on anything she wishes. A man however has the responsibility of all financial matters so who has got more rights here : husband or wife?

Also Islamic law says that the husband does not have the right to force his wife to cook, clean, or care for the children. She can even demand payment for breastfeeding her child. Now most mothers love their children and would not demand payment for breastfeeding but Islam puts this law into effect to show that women are not slaves to their husbands. If a woman chooses to do all of these things, then that is her choice free and clear.

When a Muslim woman exercises this freedom of choice, she is considered oppressed. This constant thought process of oppression must be removed from the people's minds. All Muslim women are doing is exercising their freedom of choice. This is true liberation. Not the illusion of liberation that is often found in western societies.

Islam takes care of all aspects of a woman's life. It demands she is given respect and care from her birth until her death. When the Prophet of Islam (pbuh) was once asked after Allah (swt) and His Prophet (pbuh) who has the most rights over me? The Prophet (pbuh) replied "Your mother". Again the Prophet (pbuh) was asked and again He replied your mother. A third time He was asked and a third time he replied, "Your mother". Then on the fourth occasion, He replied your father. This is to show the respect given to women by Islam. Yes it is quite true that Muslims today do not practice this respect. Women are killed in so called honor killings. This is totally against Islam. People must look at what Islam says. If I tell you to not go and kill someone but you do it anyway. Am I to blame? No one would blame me for your action because I warned you against the action. No one would label me a murderer or oppressor because of your action. But this very thing is what takes place in today's society. Muslims are going out and performing actions against Islam, and the people are blaming Islam. Islam has nothing to do with the oppressive actions of its people.

Whatever you do in Islamic countries is non of our concern.
Why should we study Islam?

Islam is the worst when comes to Woman Rights.
First of all, its no where mentioned in Islamic scriptures about Burqa. It is made by the Muslim men.

Don't bring the argument of France is a multicultural society. It is French people who act as Secular and have made it. Don't be under the illusion that French are discriminating. It is themselves who have made what they are and they can change themselves. First make your society as tolerant as theirs. Allow Non-Muslims to practice their religion. Then talk.

I am with my Chinese Brothers on banning of Burqa.

 

[sammi]

Kudos to France it's all about self identity. I mean how in the world are you supposed to get a license or passport covered in that thing?

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Whatever you do in Islamic countries is non of our concern.
Why should we study Islam?

Islam is the worst when comes to Woman Rights.

I am not asking you to study islam but then if you dont know about islam then why you claim that islam is the worst when it comes to women rights hahah it show ur real anti islam mentality

First of all, its no where mentioned in Islamic scriptures about Burqa. It is made by the Muslim men.

Really but you said you dont know about islam lol even if Burqa is unislamic still owmen have right to practice it for cultural reason ..just like women can wear sari..bikini..bra they have right to wera hijab, burqa, chadar whatever..fight for right of women

Don't bring the argument of France is a multicultural society. It is French people who act as Secular and have made it. Don't be under the illusion that French are discriminating. It is themselves who have made what they are and they can change themselves. First make your society as tolerant as theirs. Allow Non-Muslims to practice their religion. Then talk.

Again i have been discussed the constitution of france with your fellow indian in this topic

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...n-detained-first-day-french-burqa-ban-18.html

 

[ephone]

Thanks.

When that guy says that in muslim countries women have better rights. I cannot refrain myself from laughing. I thought for a moment whether he was on drugs or just has his high time.

PBS has a radio program the other day about yemen people usually got high all the times since they have a cheater opium like stuff there.

Whatever you do in Islamic countries is non of our concern.
Why should we study Islam?

Islam is the worst when comes to Woman Rights.
First of all, its no where mentioned in Islamic scriptures about Burqa. It is made by the Muslim men.

Don't bring the argument of France is a multicultural society. It is French people who act as Secular and have made it. Don't be under the illusion that French are discriminating. It is themselves who have made what they are and they can change themselves. First make your society as tolerant as theirs. Allow Non-Muslims to practice their religion. Then talk.

I am with my Chinese Brothers on banning of Burqa.

 

[ephone]

What if a muslim woman refuses to wear burka or hijab??? Will she be not bothered by any muslim men?

What if a muslim woman/man wants to leave islam and converts to another religion? Can she/he do that freely without being harmed?

What if a muslim woman wants to work and have equal rights as man??? Will she be granted such rights?

In current world, state has power over religion. We do not care what the heck your religion is. If you are in our country, you should obey our laws.

France has said it loud and clear. China has said it loud and clear. U.S. has said it loud and clear. The list goes on and on.

If you do not like our laws, go back to your backward shxt hole places and fxxk youself.

In addition, that two women got what they deserved.

I am not asking you to study islam but then if you dont know about islam then why you claim that islam is the worst when it comes to women rights hahah it show ur real anti islam mentality

Really but you said you dont know about islam lol even if Burqa is unislamic still owmen have right to practice it for cultural reason ..just like women can wear sari..bikini..bra they have right to wera hijab, burqa, chadar whatever..fight for right of women


Again i have been discussed the constitution of france with your fellow indian in this topic

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...n-detained-first-day-french-burqa-ban-18.html

 

[fallstuff]

What disclaimer? Are we not living at the same time as Sarkozy lives???

Are newly passed French law in this matter not affecting anyone in current France???

Will such law not create effects in other countries as well in current time???

The Burqa act is exactly targeted to one group of people since outside people have show great discomfort against such clothes and associated such clothes with backward culture and terrorists. Simply saying it is only politics is just to fool yourself.

Your initial claim was a religion can not survive by treating women like garbage. My point is you are wrong.

In reality most of the concerned women cover their faces on their own. It is actually an issue of State impeding on the individuals right. What Sarkozy did is as practical as the anti-sharia law in Oklahoma.

The primal feelings do not change even over thousands of years. Fear is one such feeling. Fear is an integral part of what we believe as self-preservation.

The issue is politics riding on the fear factor. Christian white European's population growth is either zero or below and forecasted to stay same . Muslim growth rate is much higher. Hence the fear is that someday Muslims will be a much bigger voting block in the Judeo-Christian land and be in a position to impose their will on Europe.

History is littered with antics like this. Little Sarkozy is not the first one walking this road.

 

[ephone]

Sharia law? How many modern countries practice such medieval thing?

To be honest, I do not care what Europeans are doing in their own countries. But France indeed has started to do the right thing.

I am Chinese and I will say there will be zero chance such type of sharia law could be practiced in China.

It seems that European countries are waking up against such threat. Well, in China, muslim is just a tiny 2% or 3%. In addition, a great majority of Chinese muslims are moderate muslims so that they do not show any threat at all. Those tiny tiny fundamentalists/extremists/terrorists are easily wiped out. Trust me, we Chinese are the most efficient when dealing with those terrorists.

Bin Laden dare not show his axx in one second in China. He will be fxxk up quite hard if he does.

Your initial claim was a religion can not survive by treating women like garbage. My point is you are wrong.

In reality most of the concerned women cover their faces on their own. It is actually an issue of State impeding on the individuals right. What Sarkozy did is as practical as the anti-sharia law in Oklahoma.

The primal feelings do not change even over thousands of years. Fear is one such feeling. Fear is an integral part of what we believe as self-preservation.

The issue is politics riding on the fear factor. Christian white European's population growth is either zero or below and forecasted to stay same . Muslim growth rate is much higher. Hence the fear is that someday Muslims will be a much bigger voting block in the Judeo-Christian land and be in a position to impose their will on Europe.

History is littered with antics like this. Little Sarkozy is not the first one walking this road.

 

[Farooq]

Sharia law? How many modern countries practice such medieval thing?

To be honest, I do not care what Europeans are doing in their own countries. But France indeed has started to do the right thing.

I am Chinese and I will say there will be zero chance such type of sharia law could be practiced in China.

It seems that European countries are waking up against such threat. Well, in China, muslim is just a tiny 2% or 3%. In addition, a great majority of Chinese muslims are moderate muslims so that they do not show any threat at all. Those tiny tiny fundamentalists/extremists/terrorists are easily wiped out. Trust me, we Chinese are the most efficient when dealing with those terrorists.

Bin Laden dare not show his axx in one second in China. He will be fxxk up quite hard if he does.

Well, instead of portraying your hypocrisy on this forum, maybe your country should not deal with countries that practice Sharia law such as Saudi Arabia.

Little kid, such hatred toward Muslims does not seem to be the norm of Chinese people I have met in person and on this forum. Seems like your are the exception who would rather lick the boots of the West.

 

[fallstuff]

Sharia law? How many modern countries practice such medieval thing?

To be honest, I do not care what Europeans are doing in their own countries. But France indeed has started to do the right thing.

I am Chinese and I will say there will be zero chance such type of sharia law could be practiced in China.

It seems that European countries are waking up against such threat. Well, in China, muslim is just a tiny 2% or 3%. In addition, a great majority of Chinese muslims are moderate muslims so that they do not show any threat at all. Those tiny tiny fundamentalists/extremists/terrorists are easily wiped out. Trust me, we Chinese are the most efficient when dealing with those terrorists.

Bin Laden dare not show his axx in one second in China. He will be fxxk up quite hard if he does.

You believe in creationism and live in Oklahoma, no surprise here.

The last time they woke up, it was the Muslims waking Europe out of the dark ages !!!

What the European's are waking up to now?

 

[Farooq]

You believe in creationism and live in Oklahoma, no surprise here.

The last time they woke up, it was the Muslims waking Europe out of the dark ages !!!

What the European's are waking up to now?

Muslims are creationists too