Report On Indian MMRCA IN CHINESE..

[j20blackdragon]

But what's the point of talking about something as trivial as the canopy when the rest of the aircraft looks like this?

 

[S10]

Oh Man :

JF17 :Empty Weight : 6,586 kg
LCA : Empty Wight : 6,560 kg
LCA is lighter

JF-17 Max. takeoff weight: 12,383 kg
LCA: Max. takeoff weight: 13,200 kg
Carry more fuel and Weapons LCA

JF-17 : G-limit: +8 g / -3 g
LCA : g-limits: +9/−3.5 g[97
More Maneuverable : LCA

JG-17 Internal Fuel Capacity: 2,300 kg
LCA: Internal fuel capacity: 2,458 kg


J-17 : Maximum speed: Mach 1.6
LCA :Maximum speed: Mach 1.8


So where your JF-17 Stands , now you tell me which technology is superior? even then IAF is not satisfied with LCA and want more powerful engine and more weapon and fuel. this we called Superior standard.

Someone can consider 40% pass in exams and someone consider 95% pass in exam and rest fails

Yes apparently Indians consider using paper specs on a sub-par/unfinished product to be valid comparisons.

 

[gambit]

A two-piece canopy creates an extra gap that wouldn't be there with a one-piece canopy.

You could perhaps argue that the RCS difference is negligible.

But that still wouldn't make the two-piece superior from a stealth perspective.

This tells me that pretty much most of everything I have explained so far about radar detection and 'stealth' have not been absorbed.

In radar detection and 'stealth', nothing can be value as a standalone on a complex body. Put it another way, after an item is measured as a standalone to establish a baseline, every item must be measured in its relationships with other structures AFTER to see its final contributorship.

Let us assume that both canopies have negligible RCS differences when measured alone, then it is irrelevant if one is argued to be superior to the other. As long as either design have the same contributorship when they are in their respective aircraft, each works. If aircraft A with the lower RCS canopy still rises above a certain threshold while aircraft B with the higher RCS canopy does not, then the fault lies not with the canopy but with the overall aircraft.

On any part of an aircraft, in one moment a complex structure may produce destructive interference and reduce the overall RCS, but at the next instance, the same complex structure may produce constructive interference that increases the overall RCS. The worst offenders are cavities (wells) and tubes, that mean cockpits and engine inlets tubes or tunnels. For the T-50, the way the engines are designed created an open or half-tunnel on the fuselage. At certain radar perspective, this structure may create resonance or EM 'ringing' or pulses from alternating destructive and constructive interference. Several corner reflectors in a matrix, like weapons with their fins that hangs under the wings, can also create EM resonance at certain radar perspectives.

Get it?

It really is amazing and amusing to me that after all this time with all my explanations backed up by credible publicly available sources, you guys still cannot understand that in RCS measurements of complex bodies, it is the spatial relationships between individual structures and the interactions between diverse reflections of radar signals that determine final RCS value.

 

[machinist]

Yes apparently Indians consider using paper specs on a sub-par/unfinished product to be valid comparisons.

dude u misunderstood. its is not in papers, its prototypes were made and tested worthy, but IAF wants much more advanced tech than the current one, that is wat HAL is trying to catch up. If IAF looks for JF-17 these prototypes has been entered into mass production before 2 years itself. Indian is not like pakistan simply to accept all the junks.

 

[S10]

dude u misunderstood. its is not in papers, its prototypes were made and tested worthy, but IAF wants much more advanced tech than the current one, that is wat HAL is trying to catch up. If IAF looks for JF-17 these prototypes has been entered into mass production before 2 years itself. Indian is not like pakistan simply to accept all the junks.

Indian logic:

"If it's delayed, it's only because our standard was higher. If Pakistan/China was faster at developing a plane, it's only because the plane is junk."

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Ammyy]

Indian logic:

"If it's delayed, it's only because our standard was higher. If Pakistan/China was faster at developing a plane, it's only because the plane is junk."

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Till now you develop only JF17 by your own all other are russian cheap copy that no one want to bye ...

Yes this help us to sleep at night

 

[Ammyy]

Yes apparently Indians consider using paper specs on a sub-par/unfinished product to be valid comparisons.

This is same when all chinese members become fan boy for AESA radar and Engine ??? Till now all in development

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Indian logic:

"If it's delayed, it's only because our standard was higher. If Pakistan/China was faster at developing a plane, it's only because the plane is junk."

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

All plane is flying

1) TD -2 nos
2) PV - 5 nos
3) LSP - 5 nos

therefore total 12 planes are made till now already and flying and 2 more going to be made for further testing and evaluation purpose and after that production starts...... within 2 years we have equal no of LCA then JF-17 because it takes 7 month to make LCA vs 9 month for JF-17 ...... got it correct your knowledge

Developed plane of what standard? India already developed that type plane and now it increasing it further encase IAF don't want JF-17 type plane ...got it...

Coping of plane design can't be said development....... gotya....

 

[S10]

Till now you develop only JF17 by your own all other are russian cheap copy that no one want to bye ...

Yes this help us to sleep at night

Butthurt? You Indians can't even manage to copy correctly, let alone develop anything on your own. J-10 and J-20 are Russian copies? I guess you are one of the victims of alcohol poisoning in India huh?

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This is same when all chinese members become fan boy for AESA radar and Engine ??? Till now all in development

I never said anything about us surpassing the U.S. On the other hand, we recognized that we're behind, something Indians are completely incapable of. It's easy to find out why we handed you your *** in 1962.

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All plane is flying

1) TD -2 nos
2) PV - 5 nos
3) LSP - 5 nos

therefore total 12 planes are made till now already and flying and 2 more going to be made for further testing and evaluation purpose and after that production starts...... within 2 years we have equal no of LCA then JF-17 because it takes 7 month to make LCA vs 9 month for JF-17 ...... got it correct your knowledge

Developed plane of what standard? India already developed that type plane and now it increasing it further encase IAF don't want JF-17 type plane ...got it...

Coping of plane design can't be said development....... gotya....

Here is a hint. China is alot more efficient at development than India could ever dream to be. Just because your country is incompetent, doesn't mean everyone else is as retarded. And you're absolutely right, that mini-Mirage 2000 cheap copy can't be described as development.

 

[Ammyy]

Butthurt? You Indians can't even manage to copy correctly, let alone develop anything on your own. J-10 and J-20 are Russian copies? I guess you are one of the victims of alcohol poisoning in India huh?

J10A ... we all know its credibly ..J10B in development all using Russian engine

J20 please first develop engine for J17 then go to future .. J20 need to much time

I never said anything about us surpassing the U.S. On the other hand, we recognized that we're behind, something Indians are completely incapable of. It's easy to find out why we handed you your *** in 1962.

Let forget US you dnt have any thing that can counter MKIs

 

[S10]

J10A ... we all know its credibly ..J10B in development all using Russian engine

J20 please first develop engine for J17 then go to future .. J20 need to much time

J-10A was based on J-9 design, dating to late 1970's. J-10B protoypes are using WS-10 engine, and so is J-11B. Not everyone is as equally incompetent as your Kaveri development.

Oh btw, we got WS-15 for J-20 with parts ready for assembly by 2009. U MAD?

Let forget US you dnt have any thing that can counter MKIs

J-11B and J-10A are more than capable of handling anything in the Indian inventory. Does every Indian brag about having been used as lab rat by Russians to test immature technolgies for Su-35BM? American F-15 pilots certainly didn't have a very high opinion of your bragged about plane.

 

[SQ8]

7 month to make LCA vs 9 month for JF-17

Wonder what hat people pull such fluke facts from

 

[chairborne ranger]

though, they certainly did concede that it was better than their own f-16s and f-15s , while being far behind the f-22 in terms of lethality. Heck! if they'd said the opposite, i'd have considered relocating to the US of A just to get a taste of the fine weed, they must have been smoking up on

 

[SamantK]

Indian logic:

"If it's delayed, it's only because our standard was higher. If Pakistan/China was faster at developing a plane, it's only because the plane is junk."

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

What makes us sleep at night is knowing that the armed forces are not for pushover products, mig-21 became what they are just because LCA was not ready.. At least the data in public domain is credible rather than what is present for Chinese fighters. If anyone in Chinese air force says that their plane is inferior and the report becomes public, will he survive to see the sun rise again? I think that fact that Indians know their armed forces do not induct crappy stuff and no one can push over unproven systems on them is what makes the Indian sleep at night..

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Wonder what hat people pull such fluke facts from

please tell me what source you have to claim it incorrect? I would suggest you to stick to facts and if u want to refute, get a source!

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

Wonder what hat people pull such fluke facts from

This is called by making a plane using composite materials , you can't understand things because chinese is still thinks that metallic airframes and think their technology is superior.

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Butthurt? You Indians can't even manage to copy correctly, let alone develop anything on your own. J-10 and J-20 are Russian copies? I guess you are one of the victims of alcohol poisoning in India huh?

---------- Post added at 12:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:31 AM ----------


I never said anything about us surpassing the U.S. On the other hand, we recognized that we're behind, something Indians are completely incapable of. It's easy to find out why we handed you your *** in 1962.

---------- Post added at 12:34 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:33 AM ----------


Here is a hint. China is alot more efficient at development than India could ever dream to be. Just because your country is incompetent, doesn't mean everyone else is as retarded. And you're absolutely right, that mini-Mirage 2000 cheap copy can't be described as development.

How many time we need to tell you COPY is not DEVELOPMENT , COPY take 5 sec and Development takes time..... OK, next time you come up with something , First identify form where you copy that thing.

---------- Post added at 03:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:52 PM ----------

J-10A was based on J-9 design, dating to late 1970's. J-10B protoypes are using WS-10 engine, and so is J-11B. Not everyone is as equally incompetent as your Kaveri development.

Oh btw, we got WS-15 for J-20 with parts ready for assembly by 2009. U MAD?

J-11B and J-10A are more than capable of handling anything in the Indian inventory. Does every Indian brag about having been used as lab rat by Russians to test immature technolgies for Su-35BM? American F-15 pilots certainly didn't have a very high opinion of your bragged about plane.

Moreover you know China wants Israeli things , but Israeli denied , why u think china want Isreali ACWAS when they can develop its own?

Chinease , IF you provide us we don't built ourself and if you don't we can built it we have technology.... (ACWAS case) sometimes you copying trick make everyone laugh when you say we made it