Hafiz Saeed to US: I’m in Lahore tomorrow, contact me anytime

[jbond197]

the land wasnt given to us on a platter; Muslim League fought for it....not with blood, but with the pen and with wit.

It was infact blood, mate. Jinnah's Direct action call was the start of spilling of blood on the streets.



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n principle, i actually do agree

however, you are very emotional and sadly mistaken if you think that all there is in Pakistan are ''exploding bombs'' factories and cutting throats in name of jihad.......as for lal masjids -- well you already saw what happened the last time terrorists and zealots brought weapons into a sacred place....the sanctity of the mosque was violated, Pakistani authorities acted.....a bit later than they ought to have, but then again a trigger-happy approach was the least desirable option on the table

Sorry If you felt that way. My intent was to give you an example. The very fact that we are talking to people like you and others on PDF proves that it is a big mistake to stereotype people. But I will not agree with your support for HS. I believe and support my Govt when they claim HS was involved in killing innocents in 26/11 attacks..

this argument is over.....i wont dignify such posts with a response

None of what I said is wrong but that is fine if you do not want to talk about it..

 

[VelocuR]

Not just NATO supply blocked, other links also: Memogate, Ambassadar Haqqani, and others whatever US upsets.

 

[jbond197]

jbond

1. Wrong, we fought and struggled for it. And about managing a country, how can you even talk? How is having one of the highest HIV/AIDS rates in the world good management? Here in U.S. in the morning when I turn on my T.V. I see a white man holding an Indian baby telling me to send money because all these children cant eat. Is that good managing?

By managing I meant, Pakistan was supposed to be the land of Muslims and Muslims from East and West Pakistan could not live together for too long does prove the theory was not all that correct.. I am not denying there are problems in India but can you tell me Pakistan is in some better situation than India?

2. I see that you probably believe the nonsense that Islam condones the killing of innocent people. Why not pick up a book?

That is none of my belief. If I do believe that crap, I will insult my fellow Muslims. I got nothing against Islam but all against haters and terrorists..

3. India is good at hiding extremists too. RSS kills thousands of Muslims and Christians in Gujurat, destroys Babri Masjid. In the 80's, Indian Army wages a war in Punjab against Sikhs and attacks their holy building. How is this not radical? Where is the Indian campaign to eradicate these people?

The issues you mentioned are all our Internal issues but the fact is none of them are terrorizing world or providing training grounds for terrorists from all over the world to conduct attacks in West and lots of other countries.. A little correction RSS was not involved in Gujarat riots. It was started by Muslim extremists..

 

[Hyde]

Toner sought to clarify the US reward for Saeed, saying that Washington was offering money not for his capture but for information that would allow his prosecution in a court in the United States or elsewhere.

"We all know where he is -- you know, every journalist in Pakistan and in the region knows how to find him -- but we're looking for information that can be usable to convict him in a court of law," Toner said.

Source: America wants Hafiz Saeed "behind bars" - geo.tv

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Source: America wants Hafiz Saeed "behind bars" - geo.tv

so basically, they need every tom dick and harry on the street of Pakistan to act as credible witnesses? I'm not sure who hired Mark Toner to be spokesperson for the much acclaimed State Dept, but clearly his statement can be interpreted as

''the testimony we have thus far is not enough to prosecute and put HS behind bars.......we need Pakistanis who are willing to accept cash payments to find a way (which we could never find) to see that HS is found guilty on the counts of terrorism''



moreover, how do you put a bounty on someone who is roaming freely less than a 20-30 minute drive from the US embassy itself?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Whatever, the days of Hafiz Saeed are numbered.

guys with due respect you must really stop trolling
why are you advocating gang law while on the same time you boast about your law and democracy and criticise our dictatorships?

what kind of precedent will this bounty announcement leave?
Pakistan declaring bounty on Samjhota express mastermind
Iran declaring bounty on CIA chief for instigating unrest in Iranian Balochistan & on Israeli PM for assassination of it scientists
Afghans declaring bounty on the Robert bates

just bypass the law and put a price on someone's head?

there is no special love for this Hazif guy in Pakistan. just like politicians he plays with people emotions and specially uses the antiamerican card which is not just unique in Pakistan.
he has been brought to court but all evidence against him so far is circumstantial and accusations. the Pakistani courts work on the same British law that Indians work and its the law of evidence. they dismissed the case and refused to accept rhetoric and speculation as evidence.

this is why this guy is so confident that he is willing to face the American courts let alone International courts. remember innocent until proven guilty?

Americans have done this because they have done a lot of things in the past so there is no room for any more shock. they flew out a murderder clean out of Afghanistan just recently because they can. they washed their hands over the Iraqi invasion calling the WMD fabrication as an honest mistake. they are openly providing weapons and funds to rebels in Iran and Syria on one hand and then lecturing China, north Korea , Syria and Pakistan over human rights and use of force on dissidents.
clear contradiction here for anyone to see who is not just creating an account on this forum to spam and troll.

who knows what happens to Hafiz Saeed. he might die a natural death or under mysterious circumstances or violently due to current terrorism wave but that wont help at all unless charges against him are not proven. And by the way, this new American move has given him even more importance.

now he can use it to stir up even more anti American sentiment. looks like there is false economy at play when it comes to American policy making viz a viz Pakistan. Hillary Clinton was talking about spending 50M in Pakistani media to soften up American image and recruit media companies and personalities to build a more favourable image for America. but it seems the rest of the American administration is not on board or has yet again failed to make difference between its behind and elbow by declaring 10M bounty on somebody who is a no body in Pakistani politics. comes in the religious rallies along with many other right wing nutters has no real following even a fraction of Jamat Islami but now has this new claim to fame and innocence due to this American bounty

 

[Ignited Mind]

guys with due respect you must really stop trolling
why are you advocating gang law while on the same time you boast about your law and democracy and criticise our dictatorships?

You know when I see Pakistanis giving India the kasme-wade of democracy and rule of law etc., it makes me wonder why still after so many years of close watch, have no Pakistanis been able to grasp a simple fact,

India is a democracy for Indians and for those who believe in the Indian Federation only and exclusively. India has no obligation towards being democratic in its conduct with vermin like Hafiz Saeed.

We DO NOT HAVE TO be democratic to the terrorists.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

India is a democracy for Indians and for those who believe in the Indian Federation only and exclusively. India has no obligation towards being democratic in its conduct with vermin like Hafiz Saeed.

We DO NOT HAVE TO be democratic to the terrorists.

thats my boy

it means this democracy of yours is all a farce

what distinguishes a civilized society from a thug is the rule of law and proper proceedings of justice. not summary executions.
if you believe in behaving like goons then you loose the right to criticise the likes of Taliban.

what was the major condemnation of Taliban regime? its human rights violations and its summary executions without trial in the centre of Kabul football stadium.

now if you are so much inspired by this concept that you are forced to write in CAPs then well done.
you have not only convicted a person without trial but also advocating his execution.

Taliban would be really warming up to you.

for a moment get some fresh air and pull your head out of your behind and think over it what I am saying

if an accused is punished the same way as any Mafia or terrorist group's execution then there is no difference between those who advocate rule of law and justice and those who advocate violence and murder.

on the other hand if he is tried in national or international court fairly and if charges hold then he is punished otherwise he is a free man. thats how democracy and civlised society wins over gang law. but if the mentality of thugs is adpoted like your caps fart then accept a warm welcome in the jungle of thugs.

 

[Ignited Mind]

thats my boy

it means this democracy of yours is all a farce

what distinguishes a civilized society from a thug is the rule of law and proper proceedings of justice. not summary executions.
if you believe in behaving like goons then you loose the right to criticise the likes of Taliban.

what was the major condemnation of Taliban regime? its human rights violations and its summary executions without trial in the centre of Kabul football stadium.

now if you are so much inspired by this concept that you are forced to write in CAPs then well done.
you have not only convicted a person without trial but also advocating his execution.

Taliban would be really warming up to you.

for a moment get some fresh air and pull your head out of your behind and think over it what I am saying

if an accused is punished the same way as any Mafia or terrorist group's execution then there is no difference between those who advocate rule of law and justice and those who advocate violence and murder.

on the other hand if he is tried in national or international court fairly and if charges hold then he is punished otherwise he is a free man. thats how democracy and civlised society wins over gang law. but if the mentality of thugs is adpoted like your caps fart then accept a warm welcome in the jungle of thugs.

I'am sorry, my man, but you have totally missed the plot.

I made a clear distinction between Indians and those who believe in the Indian federation and those who fall out of those categories.

In light of that, you entire post is, uh well, plain irrelevant.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

It was infact blood, mate. Jinnah's Direct action call was the start of spilling of blood on the streets.

it was actually the sikhs and the hindus that are to blame for most of the communal riots

Sorry If you felt that way. My intent was to give you an example. The very fact that we are talking to people like you and others on PDF proves that it is a big mistake to stereotype people. But I will not agree with your support for HS. I believe and support my Govt when they claim HS was involved in killing innocents in 26/11 attacks..

Sorry if you felt that way. You'd be best served re-visiting my earlier posts in this topic (as well as the plethora of topics encompassing this very 'trending' subject) whereby I feel I was fairly clear and fairly explicit about the fact that I am neither defending nor am I supporting HS or JuD

I am supporting due process. Not media trials and most certainly not desperate pleas by desperate indians that are fool-hardy to think Pakistan will do whatever they or others please even if "doing" something in this context would constitute doing something illegal (i.e. illegally detaining or extraditing a Pakistani citizen that has not been proven - beyond a reasonable doubt - "guilty" of terrorism or other related charges.

hearsay and media statements by a few indian babus ought not to be taken (mistaken) as "evidence"

None of what I said is wrong but that is fine if you do not want to talk about it..

oh I'm sorry putar, i found that last part of you post to be garbage; but hey -- i believe in giving second chances







oh and by the way -- when it comes to extremists in "positions of power" i'd be more concerned about the likes of Modi....


who has more blood on their hands? HS or Modi



well hmmm gee whiz, that's a question to ponder over!

 

[kumarkumar1867]

I am seeing many people talking about India giving the hard & undeniable evidence about 26/11.
How many of you have seen the dossier sent by India to Pak way back in 26/11??
do u people know apart from Indians , 26 peoples from 16 different countries were victims of 26/11 ...Japan , France , Germany ,US , UK , Australia to name the few?

if you carefully read the dossier , it clearly shows the attack was planned on Pak land, can anyone of you tell what steps did pakistan take to find out the masterminds behind the curtain who planned & financed this expedition???

26/11 was black day for indian but it was a slap on face of pakistani government too.

Pak should help itself & find the real culprits if Saeed Hafiz is innocent & hand over to India/US & make the critics mouth shut by right way

 

[Bang Galore]

thats my boy

it means this democracy of yours is all a farce

what distinguishes a civilized society from a thug is the rule of law and proper proceedings of justice. not summary executions.
if you believe in behaving like goons then you loose the right to criticise the likes of Taliban.

what was the major condemnation of Taliban regime? its human rights violations and its summary executions without trial in the centre of Kabul football stadium.

now if you are so much inspired by this concept that you are forced to write in CAPs then well done.
you have not only convicted a person without trial but also advocating his execution.

Taliban would be really warming up to you.

for a moment get some fresh air and pull your head out of your behind and think over it what I am saying

if an accused is punished the same way as any Mafia or terrorist group's execution then there is no difference between those who advocate rule of law and justice and those who advocate violence and murder.

on the other hand if he is tried in national or international court fairly and if charges hold then he is punished otherwise he is a free man. thats how democracy and civlised society wins over gang law. but if the mentality of thugs is adpoted like your caps fart then accept a warm welcome in the jungle of thugs.

I say chap, have you been sleeping? Have you already forgotten the case of Ajmal Kasab? The guy's guilt has never been in doubt but we are still going through the legal process, much to the dismay of many here. That should put to rest any doubt you have about our democracy.

However having said that, you are most certainly aware that police officers or other security agencies are allowed to shoot & neutralise a threat (extreme example: a suicide bomber), not withstanding that the person in question has not yet been convicted in a court of law & sentence pronounced. Hafiz Saeed, it can be argued is someone who might fall into the category of those actions & similar by stretching the self defence/bringing to book argument. There appears no conceivable way that this chap will ever be brought to justice conventionally in India with Pakistan's help or indeed be brought to justice in Pakistan. Pakistan cannot be counted upon to partner India, atleast in this particular field. If justice in whatever form were delivered, either by our own hand or by that of a friendly country, so be it.

 

[Vinod2070]

ironically, its hindus and Christians in Pakistan that are among his vocal supporters (true story)

And there were Kurd supporters and cabinet members of Saddam while he was using chemicals on Kurds.

There are Muslim supporters of USA government and some Muslims countries are their most allied ally.

Your point being?

 

[Mav3rick]

I am seeing many people talking about India giving the hard & undeniable evidence about 26/11.
How many of you have seen the dossier sent by India to Pak way back in 26/11??
do u people know apart from Indians , 26 peoples from 16 different countries were victims of 26/11 ...Japan , France , Germany ,US , UK , Australia to name the few?

if you carefully read the dossier , it clearly shows the attack was planned on Pak land, can anyone of you tell what steps did pakistan take to find out the masterminds behind the curtain who planned & financed this expedition???

26/11 was black day for indian but it was a slap on face of pakistani government too.

Pak should help itself & find the real culprits if Saeed Hafiz is innocent & hand over to India/US & make the critics mouth shut by right way

Anybody can make 'dossiers' on just about anybody but what the courts need are undeniable facts and not assumptions and stories! We did more then your government to clear the propaganda being spread by your government amongst you.....we even sent a team to interrogate Kasab but you very conveniently denied access to him! There was only 1 reason access to Kasab was denied and that is the fact that there is no real evidence against Saeed or JuD or anybody related to Pakistan.

Fact is, 26/11 was a false flag operation by your own RAW to implicate Pakistan. Is you just want to be like dumb rednecks and accept whatever your government tells you about Pakistan then by all means do so!

I say chap, have you been sleeping? Have you already forgotten the case of Ajmal Kasab? The guy's guilt has never been in doubt but we are still going through the legal process, much to the dismay of many here. That should put to rest any doubt you have about our democracy.

However having said that, you are most certainly aware that police officers or other security agencies are allowed to shoot & neutralise a threat (extreme example: a suicide bomber), not withstanding that the person in question has not yet been convicted in a court of law & sentence pronounced. Hafiz Saeed, it can be argued is someone who might fall into the category of those actions & similar by stretching the self defence/bringing to book argument. There appears no conceivable way that this chap will ever be brought to justice conventionally in India with Pakistan's help or indeed be brought to justice in Pakistan. Pakistan cannot be counted upon to partner India, atleast in this particular field. If justice in whatever form were delivered, either by our own hand or by that of a friendly country, so be it.

Ajmal's guilt has been been proved as it could just as easily be another asset of RAW doing a little evil for the 'greater good' of his country India! The world does not share your delusion.

 

[Bang Galore]

Anybody can make 'dossiers' on just about anybody but what the courts need are undeniable facts and not assumptions and stories! We did more then your government to clear the propaganda being spread by your government amongst you.....we even sent a team to interrogate Kasab but you very conveniently denied access to him! There was only 1 reason access to Kasab was denied and that is the fact that there is no real evidence against Saeed or JuD or anybody related to Pakistan.

Fact is, 26/11 was a false flag operation by your own RAW to implicate Pakistan. Is you just want to be like dumb rednecks and accept whatever your government tells you about Pakistan then by all means do so!



Ajmal's guilt has been been proved as it could just as easily be another asset of RAW doing a little evil for the 'greater good' of his country India! The world does not share your delusion.

Unmitigated rubbish. Your government is on record as accepting that the conspiracy of 26/11 was hatched in Pakistan. They are also on record admitting Kasab as a Pakistani. If the conspiracy to perform a terrorist attack is hatched within Pakistan, why then can't Pakistani officials find even a single shred of proof against the conspirators merely hiding behind the standard facade of "India must produce evidence". The conspiracy was hatched in Pakistan, therefore the bulk of the detective work must be done there. Not doing it exposes Pakistan to complicity charges. If Hafiz Saeed is not guilty, fine; since Pakistan has already admitted Kasab's citizenship, surely there must be some background that needs to be probed to explain his coming to Mumbai. Pakistan, as on date has provided no alternate explanations (smelly gas theories of the Zaid Hamid type as evidenced in the above post excused) as to who else (if HS is not)was responsible & the conspiracy that lay within. Maybe your police are too busy protecting terrorists like Hafiz Saeed to investigate them!