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Pharmacy Graduate Gets 17 1/2 Years for Aid to Al-Qaeda

Lets not go off topic guys.

I have a few questions how many of you guys think that Mehanna didn't deserve the punishment? How many of you believe that there is nothing wrong with spreading Al Qaeda propaganda whilst sitting in America? And would you do the same yourself?

Since AQ is a proscribed terrorist organization, disseminating their propaganda could be construed as providing 'material support' to them.

However, I don't know how they prove intent. Would an academic professor analyzing/sharing the material be guilty? Probably not. However, this guy made some strong comments, so the jury decided on his intent. At least one juror seems to have had some doubts in his favor, though.
 
Muslims follow their 7th century practices in 21st century west.Many force their women to wear burqas.Even 6 year old girls are made to wear head-scarfs.Even worse they try to bring their shariah laws in the ghettos they live.
So this enrages many Americans,Europeans.So Muslims should follow:When in Rome do as the Romans do.

No wonder you only got "thanked" 249 times in 748 posts :lol:

Dummy have you ever been to the West? 7th century practices? Only if you had attended school . . . . :rofl:

Oh by the way , American Muslims are one of the most thriving and well integrated community in the United States ....

Here's one quote from economist ...

“Two-thirds of Muslim households make more than $50,000 a year and a quarter earn over $100,000. The national average is $42,000. Two-thirds of American Muslims have a college degree, compared with less than half of the general population.” – The Economist

So please keep your typical bharti ignorance to yourself ... :wave:
 
This is beginning of new crusade..fabricating false charges against Muslims and vilifying them as some kind of savage terrorist. This is what the Europeans did as Richard planned to plunder Jerusalem.

Mehanna, a 29-year-old pharmacist from Sudbury, Massachusetts, emailed friends, downloaded videos, translated and posted documents on the web, and traveled to and from Yemen in 2004.

No evidence was presented in court directly linking him to a terrorist group. He never hatched a plot – indeed, he objected when a friend (who went on to become a government informer and has never been charged with anything) proposed plans to stage violent attacks within the United States. He never had a weapon. He did lie to the FBI. And he has just been sentenced by US District Court Judge George O’Toole to 17.5 years in a supermax prison on various material support to terrorism charges.


David Stone and members of his Hutaree anti-government militia amassed a huge arsenal of weapons, including the ingredients for explosives, and allegedly plotted to kill a police officer and bomb his funeral. A federal judge in Michigan said they were just venting and exercising their First Amendment rights.


It's official. There is a Muslim exemption to the First Amendment. - On Liberty blog - Boston.com

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The Hutarees had weapons, practiced military tactics, and had plans to kill government officials. They got off without any punishment. Tarek (A Muslim) had none of the above. He got almost two decades in jail as punishment.

See the link ... Muslims are discriminated and persecuted in the West but no one cares. Even media doesn't give a crap about it , most of the times. A black kid got shot and whole America went all gaga over it...but an Iraqi woman was murdered in her home most probably due to a hate crime (due to her Hijab) and media barely mentioned it...Most Americans don't even know that this event happened.

The term "Post-racism era in America" is not exactly true ... :usflag:

There is one interesting difference in views of West while making difference between Indians (mainly Hindus) and Pakistanis (or Muslims as whole). That is, “West wants to ‘use’ Muslims and ‘get’ Hindus.” :pop:

Sir, there are two type of people/ countries are found in world in relation to West. One the country like Philippines which is a Christian country, which receives heavy remittances from West because Philipo are there in good numbers, even if it is a very small country w.r.t. India/ China. And the other type of countries are like Thailand which is also of similar sized like Philippines but Buddhist majority have made their technologies by themselves, categorizing Thailand as NICs, without any help from West. and even if Thailand receive a fraction of remittances as Philippines, per capita income of Thailand is around 2.5 times to Philippines, while both the countries are of similar size and are located on same region, same race but of different religious background, so one get full help from West and the other is certainly not among the followers of West :meeting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newly_industrialized_country#Current_NICs

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hence, it is found by the Western psychologists that, those who trust in themselves more than others, aren’t dependent on the help they may get from the West, are likely to be more successful. Like how China liberalized its economy by 1979, much before India, and registered excellent growth since then while being an enemy of US/ West also and now per capita income if China is around 2 times to Philippines. Russia, a developed country and an opponent of West, too is having great technologies in the main areas like Space Research, Defense etc, with having key techs in other variety of areas also. At the same time, the rulers of US/ West are always impressed with performance of Highly qualified people they get from India, who are among the top most performances in different exams, and help the US’s firm develop key techs :agree:

This way, even if ‘religious colony’ type countries like Philippines are found loyal to West because of Christian religious background, who receive very high remittances also as compare to other similar sized country and get easy visa of West, West is always willing to get the ‘creamy layer’ people of their opponent like India/ China/ Thailand/ Russia etc. and to get their work done against them, for example against the ‘state of India’, they have countries like Pakistan in their pocket. But as always, either they want Pakistan to do exactly what is told to them by UK/ US, otherwise they don’t hesitate to do something like 26/11 2011 with Pakistan. But on the side of India, they always try to get the ‘creamy layer’ of Indian Hindus and keep removing all those Indians who try to resist Western dominance :wave:

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Sir, I have got an opportunity to understand the Western politicians from very close as they were always impressed with the my approach, to the level I may argue or defend a country, like how I did in case of India many times. It was always no doubt to them that a man of having any type of ‘belief’ can’t argue with so many logical comments, but a free mind who may consider all the aspects is required to get this approach to defend any political side. I was given the level to straight participate with the retired presidents and PMs of US/ UK/ Australia, to check how much experience they have and how much I may argue with them to defend any country like India which was never with West. even since independence of India, Mr Jinnah, a governor general of Britain, was always provided full support against India, as how he was always there against Mr Gandhi's efforts of freedom fighting. And, while being with them, getting their view through different sources of media, I also got a level of idea, how they view the world and where the 'problems' exist? My comment as above is also one of the key findings while being in Australia for over 10 years. To give an example, I told to many Pakistani Muslims in Australia that, there is always an effort to put a Western girl in front of mine, who may then be put somewhere in Indian politics. But do they do the same with Pakistanis or Muslims? No, the reason is, West have got a very good experience by Sonia Gandhi who could now come on top post in Indian politics while being a Western Christian also while her husband, Rajiv Gandhi, was the man who opened door of ‘Ayodhya Temple’, one of the biggest follower of Lord Ram. While on the other hand, Jamima Khan first had to convert into Islam but still there is no chance that she may be accepted there as Ms Benajir Bhutto. In the same way Australians have a very good experience of getting married with Buddhists girls of Thailand who proved themselves loyal to Australians. West always wants to ‘get’ Indian Hindus/ Buddhists and ‘use’ Pakistanis and other Muslims and at the same time keep removing all those in India who may resist them
 
U previously said some 'Mauryan' theory- which btw is laughable at the least...early Mauryan emperors were hindus and the later one's were Buddhists...that was the period of spread of Buddhist religion..and Gautam buddha was born some 200 yrs before...So hinduism was much older and much spread across in India than Mauryan empire..So ur theory of conversion to hinduism during mauryan empire is gone out of the window..

So now Can u tell us some other "North Indian" conquerors? or atleast those empires???

I gave the Mauryan empire as an off-the-cuff empire that is well known, but there were previous empires and conquerors as well.

Hinduism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Jainism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Buddhism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Sikhism was invented in Northern subcontinent.

You see a pattern here?
 
Lets not go off topic guys.

I have a few questions how many of you guys think that Mehanna didn't deserve the punishment? How many of you believe that there is nothing wrong with spreading Al Qaeda propaganda whilst sitting in America? And would you do the same yourself?

Well he didn't do anything ... Just for translating Al Qaeda's articles...he got 17.5 years?!?! ...

The other Christian group I mentioned had actually stockpiled weapons and made solid plans on how to dismantle/take-out US government and yet , they were NOT given punishment . . . .

This the comment one guy made on facebook

This is mind-blowing; the Hutaree Christian militia plots to overthrow the US and gets off under the First Amendment?

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USA and UK are Christian countries so they have the right to decide what they do to those who are trying to undermine Christian values.

:lol::lol:

I bet you are an Indian Christian who feels good by calling these countries as "christian" countries ... Christianity has long died in the West..West is secular and no one , specially the younger lot , doesn't even give a sh!t about Christianity or the bible whatever... Christian values? LOL! West follows 'secular morality' ...Ever wondered why pre-marial sex is so common and why homosexuality is allowed? Yeah , because West threw Christianity out of the society and adapted secularism... Thank God , we live in post-Christian west ..

:wave:
 
No wonder you only got "thanked" 249 times in 748 posts :lol:

Dummy have you ever been to the West? 7th century practices? Only if you had attended school . . . . :rofl:

Oh by the way , American Muslims are one of the most thriving and well integrated community in the United States ....

Here's one quote from economist ...



So please keep your typical bharti ignorance to yourself ... :wave:

Some bhartiya facts for you:

"Indian Americans are the third largest Asian American ethnic group today, following Chinese Americans and Filipino Americans.

A joint Duke University – UC Berkeley study revealed that Indian immigrants have founded more engineering and technology companies from 1995 to 2005 than immigrants from the UK, China, Taiwan and Japan combined. A University of California, Berkeley, study reported that one-third of the engineers in Silicon Valley are of Indian descent, while 7% of valley hi-tech firms are led by Indian CEOs.
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"Indians, along with other Asians, have one of the highest educational levels of all ethnic groups in the U.S. Almost 67% of all Indians have a bachelor's or high degree (compared to 28% nationally and 44% average for all Asian American groups). Almost 40% of all Indians in the United States have a master’s, doctorate or other professional degree, which is five times the national average"

"Also average income of an Indian in US is: $88,538 as of 2009"

Source: Wikipedia
 
USA and UK are Christian countries so they have the right to decide what they do to those who are trying to undermine Christian values.

first of all they are secular & secondly wonder where such generous values of your goes when it comes to the plight of the Christan missionaries @ the hands of your RSS/VHP goons in your dharmic land & as for for your information
 
I gave the Mauryan empire as an off-the-cuff empire that is well known, but there were previous empires and conquerors as well.

Hinduism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Jainism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Buddhism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Sikhism was invented in Northern subcontinent.

You see a pattern here?
Buddhism was born in Bodh Gaya in Bihar in Eastern India.
 
I gave the Mauryan empire as an off-the-cuff empire that is well known, but there were previous empires and conquerors as well.

Hinduism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Jainism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Buddhism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
Sikhism was invented in Northern subcontinent.

You see a pattern here?

Hinduism was invented in Northern subcontinent.
- when and where???? can u give me a place where Hinduism was born?

Lord Ram was from Ayodhya.
Lord Krishna was from Dwarka.
Lord Balajis abode is Tirupati, AP(South India btw) which was considered the richest temple in the world.

Ramayana also describes Lord Ram's stay in Southern part of India. his plan to invade Lanka from Rameswaram(Tamil nadu).
i think ur confusing hinduism with Islam which has all its history in mecca and madina... nothing related to Pakistan or Indonesia or India..

Hinduism btw is the soul of india. every nook and corner of this land is permeated with the essence of hinduism..so ur assertion that Hinduism is north indian religion failed miserably..
 
There is one interesting difference in views of West while making difference between Indians (mainly Hindus) and Pakistanis (or Muslims as whole). That is, “West wants to ‘use’ Muslims and ‘get’ Hindus.” :pop:

Sir, there are two type of people/ countries are found in world in relation to West. One the country like Philippines which is a Christian country, which receives heavy remittances from West because Philipo are there in good numbers, even if it is a very small country w.r.t. India/ China. And the other type of country is like Thailand which is also of similar sized like Philippines but Buddhist majority have made their technologies by themselves, without any help from West, and even if Thailand receive a fraction of remittances as Philippines, per capita income of Thailand is around 2.5 times to Philippines, while both the countries are of similar size and are located on same region, same race but different religious background, one get full help from West and one is certainly not among the followers of West

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hence, it is found by the Western psychologists that, those who trust in themselves more than others, aren’t dependent on the help they may get from the West, are likely to be more successful. Like how China liberalized its economy by 1979, much before India, and registered excellent growth since then while being an enemy of US/ West also and now per capita income if China is around 2 times to Philippines. Russia, a developed country, too is having great technologies in the main areas like Space Research, Defense etc, with having key techs in other variety of areas also. At the same time, the rulers of US/ West are always impressed with performance of Highly qualified people they get from India, who are among the top most performances in different exams, and help the US’s firm develop key techs :agree:

This way, even if ‘religious colony’ type countries like Philippines are loyal to West because of Christian religious background, who receive very high remittances also as compare to other similar sized country and get easy visa of West, West is always willing to get the ‘creamy layer’ people of their opponent like India/ China/ Thailand etc. and to get their work done against the ‘state of India’, they have countries like Pakistan in their pocket. But as always, either they want Pakistan to do exactly what is told to them by Uk/ US, otherwise they don’t hesitate to do something like 26/11 2001 with Pakistan. But on the side of India, they always try to get the ‘creamy layer’ of Indian Hindus and keep removing all those Indians who try to resist Western dominance :wave:
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Sir, I have got an opportunity to understand the Western politicians from very close as they were always impressed with the my approach, to the level I may argue or defend a country, like how I did in case of India many times. It was always no doubt to them that a man of having any type of ‘belief’ can’t argue with so many logical comments, but a free mind who may consider all the aspects is required to get this approach to defend any political side. I was given the level to straight participate with the retired presidents and PMs of US/ UK/ Australia, to check how much experience they have and how much I may argue with them to defend any country like India which was never with West. even since independence of India, Mr Jinnah, a governor general of Britain, was always provided full support against India, as how he was always there against Mr Gandhi's efforts of freedom fighting. And, while being with them, getting their view through different sources of media, I also got a level of idea, how they view the world and where the problems exist? My comment as above is also one of the key findings while being in Australia for over 10 years. To give an example, I told to many Pakistanis Muslims in Australia that, there is always an effort to put a Western girl in front of mine, who may then be put somewhere in Indian politics. But do they do the same with Pakistanis or Muslims? No, the reason is, West have got a very good experience by Sonia Gandhi who could now come in top post in Indian politics while being a Western Christian also while her husband, Rajiv Gandhi, was the man who opened door or ‘Ayodhya Temple’, one of the biggest follower of Lord Ram. While on the other hand, Jamima Khan first had to convert into Islam but still there is no chance that she may be accepted there as Ms Benajir Bhutto. In the same way Australians have a very good experience of getting married with Buddhists girls of Thailand who proved themselves loyal to Australians. West always wants to ‘get’ Indian Hindus/ Buddhists and ‘use’ Pakistanis and other Muslims.

So whats the main point of this post? West wants to see all the world Christian?
 
No wonder you only got "thanked" 249 times in 748 posts :lol:

Dummy have you ever been to the West? 7th century practices? Only if you had attended school . . . . :rofl:

Oh by the way , American Muslims are one of the most thriving and well integrated community in the United States ....

Here's one quote from economist ...



So please keep your typical bharti ignorance to yourself ... :wave:

Completely false if you are under that false illusion. Here is a show on American National television which is saying to stop immigration from Muslim countries and get more immigrants from India and China.

Stop all Muslim Immigration - YouTube
 
Well he didn't do anything ... Just for translating Al Qaeda's articles...he got 17.5 years?!?! ...

The other Christian group I mentioned had actually stockpiled weapons and made solid plans on how to dismantle/take-out US government and yet , they were NOT given punishment . . . .

This the comment one guy made on facebook

He has being accused of more than just translating stuff.

Prosecutors focused on hundreds of online chats on Mehanna’s computer in which they said he and his friends talked about their desire to participate in jihad, or holy war. Several of those friends were called by prosecutors to testify against Mehanna, including one man who said he, Mehanna and a third friend tried to get terrorism training in Yemen so they could fight American soldiers in Iraq.

There is difference between Hutaree and Al Qaeda. AL Qaeda has killed thousands of Americans, Hutarees hasn't, so you can see why one was let go and the other wasn't.

The title of the thread should really be,

"Terrorists and Terrorist sympathizers don't have First Amendment rights" --Like No shyte its official.

Cause there are 2.6 Million other Muslim Americans who get their right to free speech and no one "conspires" against them.
 

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