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I think they will attack....they will make up a story....I can do it right now for them.....Experts went to see the bunker in which the chemical stockpiles were kept and saw barrels of yellow cake....Syria might be developing WMDs with Iran!So bomb them....there you go the war is sold!
 
We aren't worried about Iran though :), They won't stand a chance against it.

The Syrian revolt is nothing compared with the American, French, and the Russian ones bro! We vowed to throw Assad and his sellouts to the sea!

like when you supported saddam in war with iran and did all you could do? please take a lesson from history, it's not very old days.

It's not game, It's war and as you have not experienced real war, so you just dream about it.

western countries are making progress day by day, and here after centuries of Islamic glory civilization we have many stupid who just are suicide bombs and easily kill many innocent people because of some differences and instead of trying to bring back power to our region, are poppet of those western counties and work for their benefits and shot at other muslims people.

if there was a strong united between muslims and islamic countries, if there was not stupid savage groups like al-Q or others in syria and people instead of hate of each other were trying to make progress in science and take power. the syria would be an internal problem in this world and without any bleeding it could be solved.
but by being haters,being too emotional, being uneducated and lazy, being savage and Lowbrow. this is our situation and west are keeping weak all islamic and east countries by stupidity of themselves.

and now let's continue read more comments here and when we see an different or sectarian comment, Let's caps lock on and make a war instead of trying to avoid them and shows them the main enemy is somewhere else and it's only friendly fire.
 
On my wall is the Daily Express front page of September 5 1945 and the words: "I write this as a warning to the world." So began Wilfred Burchett's report from Hiroshima. It was the scoop of the century. For his lone, perilous journey that defied the US occupation authorities, Burchett was pilloried, not least by his embedded colleagues. He warned that an act of premeditated mass murder on an epic scale had launched a new era of terror.

Almost every day now, he is vindicated. The intrinsic criminality of the atomic bombing is borne out in the US National Archives and by the subsequent decades of militarism camouflaged as democracy. The Syria psychodrama exemplifies this. Yet again we are held hostage by the prospect of a terrorism whose nature and history even the most liberal critics still deny. The great unmentionable is that humanity's most dangerous enemy resides across the Atlantic.

John Kerry's farce and Barack Obama's pirouettes are temporary. Russia's peace deal over chemical weapons will, in time, be treated with the contempt that all militarists reserve for diplomacy. With al-Qaida now among its allies, and US-armed coupmasters secure in Cairo, the US intends to crush the last independent states in the Middle East: Syria first, then Iran. "This operation [in Syria]," said the former French foreign minister Roland Dumas in June, "goes way back. It was prepared, pre-conceived and planned."

When the public is "psychologically scarred", as the Channel 4 reporter Jonathan Rugman described the British people's overwhelming hostility to an attack on Syria, suppressing the truth is made urgent. Whether or not Bashar al-Assad or the "rebels" used gas in the suburbs of Damascus, it is the US, not Syria, that is the world's most prolific user of these terrible weapons.

In 1970 the Senate reported: "The US has dumped on Vietnam a quantity of toxic chemical (dioxin) amounting to six pounds per head of population." This was Operation Hades, later renamed the friendlier Operation Ranch Hand – the source of what Vietnamese doctors call a "cycle of foetal catastrophe". I have seen generations of children with their familiar, monstrous deformities. John Kerry, with his own blood-soaked war record, will remember them. I have seen them in Iraq too, where the US used depleted uranium and white phosphorus, as did the Israelis in Gaza. No Obama "red line" for them. No showdown psychodrama for them.

The sterile repetitive debate about whether "we" should "take action" against selected dictators (ie cheer on the US and its acolytes in yet another aerial killing spree) is part of our brainwashing. Richard Falk, professor emeritus of international law and UN special rapporteur on Palestine, describes it as "a self-righteous, one-way, legal/moral screen [with] positive images of western values and innocence portrayed as threatened, validating a campaign of unrestricted political violence". This "is so widely accepted as to be virtually unchallengeable".

It is the biggest lie: the product of "liberal realists" in Anglo-American politics, scholarship and media who ordain themselves as the world's crisis managers, rather than the cause of a crisis. Stripping humanity from the study of nations and congealing it with jargon that serves western power designs, they mark "failed", "rogue" or "evil" states for "humanitarian intervention".

An attack on Syria or Iran or any other US "demon" would draw on a fashionable variant, "Responsibility to Protect", or R2P – whose lectern-trotting zealot is the former Australian foreign minister Gareth Evans, co-chair of a "global centre" based in New York. Evans and his generously funded lobbyists play a vital propaganda role in urging the "international community" to attack countries where "the security council rejects a proposal or fails to deal with it in a reasonable time".

Evans has form. He appeared in my 1994 film Death of a Nation, which revealed the scale of genocide in East Timor. Canberra's smiling man is raising his champagne glass in a toast to his Indonesian equivalent as they fly over East Timor in an Australian aircraft, having signed a treaty to pirate the oil and gas of the stricken country where the tyrant Suharto killed or starved a third of the population.

Under the "weak" Obama, militarism has risen perhaps as never before. With not a single tank on the White House lawn, a military coup has taken place in Washington. In 2008, while his liberal devotees dried their eyes, Obama accepted the entire Pentagon of his predecessor, George Bush: its wars and war crimes. As the constitution is replaced by an emerging police state, those who destroyed Iraq with shock and awe, piled up the rubble in Afghanistan and reduced Libya to a Hobbesian nightmare, are ascendant across the US administration. Behind their beribboned facade, more former US soldiers are killing themselves than are dying on battlefields. Last year 6,500 veterans took their own lives. Put out more flags.

The historian Norman Pollack calls this "liberal fascism": "For goose-steppers substitute the seemingly more innocuous militarisation of the total culture. And for the bombastic leader, we have the reformer manqué, blithely at work, planning and executing assassination, smiling all the while." Every Tuesday the "humanitarian" Obama personally oversees a worldwide terror network of drones that "bugsplat" people, their rescuers and mourners. In the west's comfort zones, the first black leader of the land of slavery still feels good, as if his very existence represents a social advance, regardless of his trail of blood. This obeisance to a symbol has all but destroyed the US anti-war movement – Obama's singular achievement.

In Britain, the distractions of the fakery of image and identity politics have not quite succeeded. A stirring has begun, though people of conscience should hurry. The judges at Nuremberg were succinct: "Individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity." The ordinary people of Syria, and countless others, and our own self-respect, deserve nothing less now.

The silent military coup that took over Washington | John Pilger | Comment is free | The Guardian

Former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas recently told syrian news outlet SANA that plans to topple the Syrian Assad-government were in the making prior to the outbreak of the “crisis” that has now spiraled into an all-out civil war.

Dumas, speaking on the Syrian situation, stated that prior to the outbreak of sectarian conflict within Syria, he was approached by two individuals at a party in London, asking the former French Foreign Minister “if he would like to participate in preparations for an attack on Syria to topple the government in it”, Dumas told SANA on July 1..

“He said he refused this offer, but events proved that they were serious about what they said at that evening.”

Dumas also told another outlet that the individuals in question were “top British officials”:

“I am going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me, that they were preparing something in Syria”

Concluding that an invasion, or subversion, of Syria was predominantly a British plan, Dumas clearly stated it would be accomplished through “an invasion of rebels”.

“This was in Britain not in America.”, Dumas stated. “Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer Minister of Foreign Affairs, if I would like to participate. Naturally, I refused, I said I am French, that does not interest me”

Like Iran, these statements by the ex-official clearly illustrate that Syria has found itself in the cross-hairs of Anglo-French aggression for some time now. Roland Dumas, who has served under Francois Mitterand in the late 80′s and early 90s, did not say why exactly he was approached by the two plotters- but he did state he was approached prior to the outbreak of the current crisis in Syria. This points to a pre-planned plot designed to oust the Assad-government in favor of Western interests. Dumas:

“This operation goes way back. It was prepared, preconceived and planned… in the region it is important to know that this Syrian regime has a very anti-Israeli stance”.

“Consequently”, Dumas went on to say, “everything that moves in the region…- and I have this from a former Israeli Prime Minister who told me ´we will try to get on with our neighbors but those who don´t agree with us will be destroyed. It is a type of politics, a view of history, why not after all. But one should know about it”

Dumas’ words and warnings should be taken into account by anyone who is currently looking at Western actions in regards to Syria. As the former French Minister underlines, the trajectory towards war in Syria by former President Nicolas Sarkozy and now Francois Holland “aren’t the right paths that lead to peace in Syria.” But- then again- destabilizing Syria is exactly what the Western alliance has in mind. Order, after all, out of chaos.

“He (Dumas) thinks the current international climate formed around the Syrian situation contentious the policies adopted several years ago to deal with the Arab world, stressing that the west’s policies in such issues aren’t policies of peace but rather of war, and that he personally is against war and supports the path that leads to peace”, SANA reported.

http://explosivereports.com/2013/07/07/former-french-foreign-minister-anglo-french-operations-against-assad-prepared-preconceived-and-planned/
 
like when you supported saddam in war with iran and did all you could do? please take a lesson from history, it's not very old days.

It's not game, It's war and as you have not experienced real war, so you just dream about it.

western countries are making progress day by day, and here after centuries of Islamic glory civilization we have many stupid who just are suicide bombs and easily kill many innocent people because of some differences and instead of trying to bring back power to our region, are poppet of those western counties and work for their benefits and shot at other muslims people.

if there was a strong united between muslims, if there was not stupid savage groups like al-Q or others in syria and people instead of hate of each other were trying to make progress in science and take power. the syria would be an internal problem in this world and without any bleeding it could be solved.
but by being haters,being too emotional, being uneducated and lazy, being savage and Lowbrow. this is our situation and west are keeping weak all islamic and east countries by stupidity of themselves.

and now let's continue read more comments here and when we see an different or sectarian comment, Let's caps lock on and make a war instead of trying to avoid them and shows them the main enemy is somewhere else and it's only friendly fire.

If I may say a few words, in Iran-Iraq war Iran was defending home territory. Here in Syria, its a civil war where minority Assad is at best in a stale-mate against majority with help from Hezbollah, Iran and his fully mechanized army. And Syria has no border with Iran for logistics. Even in Iraq, the border area with Syria is Sunni dominated and there was only one supply route open as of March, I don't know the situation now:
Syria Update 13-01: Iraq-Syria Overland Supply Routes | Institute for the Study of War

If that route (Al Walid-At Tanf border crossing point) closes, then Assad will only have sea or air routes open for resupply. So for Assad its an uphill battle and its only going to get steeper by the day.
 
@Uhuhu

It's not game, It's war and as you have not experienced real war, so you just dream about it.
Okays, Iran is the strongest of all, we are weak, you win and we lose, how cool is that? :enjoy:
 
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If I may say a few words, in Iran-Iraq war Iran was defending home territory. Here in Syria, its a civil war where minority Assad is at best in a stale-mate against majority with help from Hezbollah, Iran and his fully mechanized army. And Syria has no border with Iran for logistics. Even in Iraq, the border area with Syria is mainly uninhabited.

Some correction, enjoy.
 
@Uhuhu


Okays, Iran is the strongest of all, we are weak, you win and we lose, how cool is that? :enjoy:

see? you still think war is like a video game,you proved my words, war means both sides get damage and are loser, doesnt matter to be Iran or any other country.
 
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A good plan by Russia and a wise decision by Obama, he should listen to what Americans want from him, not other countries and not the cowards who do nothing themselves and expect U.S to fight their war.
ME doesn't need another war.

A bad peace is always better than war.
 
A good plan by Russia and a wise decision by Obama, he should listen to what Americans want from him, not other countries and not the cowards who do nothing themselves and expect U.S to fight their war.
ME doesn't need another war.

A bad peace is always better than war.

Does not need "another war"? You do realize that the war in Syria is ongoing and have been that for 2.5 years? There was never talk about any invasion. Already several parties are engaged in the Syrian civil war including your country.

You would have a point if Syria was a peaceful country and the ruler (Al-Assad aka The Child-Murderer) was not murdering and carpet bombing his OWN people.
 
The way US is picking up countries for invading non the basis of its own interests, its bound to loose credibility more . This time even its citizens do not want it to attack Syria and not to meddle in affairs of other countries. In short US should stop actiing as world policeman
 
[Bregs];4758117 said:
The way US is picking up countries for invading non the basis of its own interests, its bound to loose credibility more . This time even its citizens do not want it to attack Syria and not to meddle in affairs of other countries. In short US should stop actiing as world policeman

There is some truth to that but don't you think that the self-proclaimed world super power (they are that indeed) have a responsibility when they claim to adhere to democracy etc. when some countries dictators are mass-murdering their own citizens and using chemicals?

Or should the international community in this day and age of globalization just look on passively when such things happen? Rwanda was an example of that until the world reacted. Unfortunately over 1 million people lost their lives when the world superpowers were looking on.

I am not a lawyer but I know for a fact that there are international laws that say that the international community has a responsibility to stop such things and most countries have signed such agreements.

For example not to use chemicals in warfare etc. There are international rules about all this.
 
Does not need "another war"? You do realize that the war in Syria is ongoing and have been that for 2.5 years? There was never talk about any invasion. Already several parties are engaged in the Syrian civil war including your country.

You would have a point if Syria was a peaceful country and the ruler (Al-Assad aka The Child-Murderer) was not murdering and carpet bombing his OWN people.

Syria is in a civil war, and launching a war in this situation is the most stupid decision. A war that may spread to other countries and kill even more people. Who knows what happens when you start a war with unknown consequences? Who knew almost all the countries in the world would be dragged in to a bloody war after Germany invaded Poland?
 
Syria is in a civil war, and launching a war in this situation is the most stupid decision. A war that may spread to other countries and kill even more people. Who knows what happens when you start a war with unknown consequences? Who knew almost all the countries in the world would be dragged in to a bloody war after Germany invaded Poland?

What war? You mean a few airstrikes? The Americans will not do more. They just want to show that the line has been crossed. So in a way their involvement is pathetic but us that actually are against the Child-Murderer are open for everything that could topple him and end the conflict because he has been butchering and carpet bombing his own people for 2.5 straight years now and nothing tells me that he will suddenly stop.

He is still clinching to power as any other insane dictator. Do you really think that he has any legitimacy left to rule ALL of Syria? Really?

Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland is a bad example since history has proven that Hitler's ambition of conquest were not only limited to Poland but actually most of Europe and ultimately the world.

Before Poland he had annexed lands in what is now the Czech Republic and the world and European powers knew where all this would led to when he decided to attack Poland in September 1939.
 
There is some truth to that but don't you think that the self-proclaimed world super power (they are that indeed) have a responsibility when they claim to adhere to democracy etc. when some countries dictators are mass-murdering their own citizens and using chemicals?

Or should the international community in this day and age of globalization just look on passively when such things happen? Rwanda was an example of that until the world reacted. Unfortunately over 1 million people lost their lives when the world superpowers were looking on.

I am not a lawyer but I know for a fact that there are international laws that say that the international community has a responsibility to stop such things and most countries have signed such agreements.

For example not to use chemicals in warfare etc. There are international rules about all this.


US and other countries have responsibility if there is UN mandate and total unanimity on the issue. when there are so many dissenting voices against attack on Syria then other options must be explored to restore peace in Syria
 

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