Hey Indians, beware of America.

[Jade]

Actually, that is perhaps unavoidable because he is from Pakistan. However, how that makes his opinion any less valid escapes me. I mean could you guys not at least entertain what he is saying?

In this case the article explore the US - China dynamics, but forgets about India's interests. China - India are not exactly friends - far from it, hence it is in India's interest to counter China too.

 

[illusion8]

You know he once told his class, 'there are no friendships in politics. China is not the bosom friend of Pakistan and India is not her mortal enemy. Only the politics of the era make it so and history shows that politics always changes and thus do friendships and enmities.'

Oh...we are quite aware of that. Hence the adoption of the policy of non alignment or staying neutral. Nobody can fault us on that.

 

[jaibi]

In this case the article explore the US - China dynamics, but forgets about India's interests. China - India are not exactly friends - far from it, hence it is in India's interest to counter China too.

Exactly and in that the only party that truly wins is the US, not China, not India. That's the point: outsiders come to divide. Within the next 20 or so years wealth and thus power is to shift to this region with India (whether China likes it or not) and China (whether India wants it or not) as the two major players. Who wins by keeping these players divided? The Old Empire of course and that needs to be realised. I understand India's position I am expounding on the perspective.

 

[illusion8]

In this case the article explore the US - China dynamics, but forgets about India's interests. China - India are not exactly friends - far from it, hence it is in India's interest to counter China too.

China is not our mortal enemy - they eye some of our territory, other than that nothing else.

 

[jayron]

Pakistan is probably the only nation that has been an allay of US but never used it to its advantage. And it is mainly because of Pakistan's own fault. He shouldn't be looking at India through Pakistan's lenses. India has and will always have an independent foreign policy.

 

[jaibi]

Oh...we are quite aware of that. Hence the adoption of the policy of non alignment or staying neutral. Nobody can fault us on that.

In this multipolar world I do not believe that Cold War policy can work any longer. The hegemonic power is to shift and India would have to choose a side, it is unlikely that either the Indian or Chinese side would be able to manage that if they remain divided.

 

[Jade]

Exactly and in that the only party that truly wins is the US, not China, not India. That's the point: outsiders come to divide. Within the next 20 or so years wealth and thus power is to shift to this region with India (whether China likes it or not) and China (whether India wants it or not) as the two major players. Who wins by keeping these players divided? The Old Empire of course and that needs to be realised. I understand India's position I am expounding on the perspective.

Fine, what would be you solution then?

 

[jaibi]

Pakistan is probably the only nation that has been an allay of US but never used it to its advantage. And it is mainly because of Pakistan's own fault. He shouldn't be looking at India through Pakistan's lenses. India has and will always have an independent foreign policy.

Even when we had a foreign policy that was independent we could not use the US for our advantage. For us it was more about surviving than thriving and the US has chosen to be a selective partner than a more constructive one. Still, your point is valid about my country, yet, it does not change the probable cause of US directed plans for our region which includes an aggravation of the Sino-Indian rivalry.

 

[illusion8]

In this multipolar world I do not believe that Cold War policy can work any longer. The hegemonic power is to shift and India would have to choose a side, it is unlikely that either the Indian or Chinese side would be able to manage that if they remain divided.

I think we will do just fine right on the wall - we have a big enough mass that does not require us to take sides and it affords us the luxury to hold on to certain principles.

The perception of the US disappearing or that the US will slowly fade away is misconstrued. They will be relevant for the whole of this century and probably beyond.

 

[jaibi]

Fine, what would be you solution then?

A regional cooperation indigenous development of it. No foreign patronage in our region to guard against divide and rule. China, India, Pakistan (primarily) and even perhaps the other SARC block nations. Eventual easing of ties like that of British-French and then British-US and finally of British-French-US and Germany: solving problems through economics. The next challenger of Western hegemonic power has to be from Asia and it cannot when we cannot solve our own problems.

I think we will do just fine right on the wall - we have a big enough mass that does not require us to take sides and it affords us the luxury to hold on to certain principles.

The perception of the US disappearing or that the US will slowly fade away is misconstrued. They will be relevant for the whole of this century and probably beyond.

They have an active policy to remain so for this century, no one debates that. My point is more on Asia's rise rather than US's demise.

 

[Jade]

A regional cooperation indigenous development of it. No foreign patronage in our region to guard against divide and rule. China, India, Pakistan (primarily) and even perhaps the other SARC block nations. Eventual easing of ties like that of British-French and then British-US and finally of British-French-US and Germany: solving problems through economics. The next challenger of Western hegemonic power has to be from Asia and it cannot when we cannot solve our own problems.



They have an active policy to remain so for this century, no one debates that. My point is more on Asia's rise rather than US's demise.

It cannot be exactly called a solution because it is hard to implement. It is like saying why not erase all the international borders and become one world.

 

[jaibi]

It cannot be exactly called a solution because it is hard to implement. It is like saying why not erase all the international borders and become one world.

Not exactly, the NATO model is an extension, however, the model in the early modern period does allow for national sovereignty and comfortable cooperation. Secondly, we could develop one to fit our bill perfectly, why must we be prisoners of anyone's history?

 

[jayron]

Even when we had a foreign policy that was independent we could not use the US for our advantage. For us it was more about surviving than thriving and the US has chosen to be a selective partner than a more constructive one. Still, your point is valid about my country, yet, it does not change the probable cause of US directed plans for our region which includes an aggravation of the Sino-Indian rivalry.

The nations that benefited had better governments . Pakistan did not have a stable government for most of its existence.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Yeah, agree with you, but it would help if their media stopped portraying all Indian men as rapists.

Nah they won't do that as its the propaganda of Feminists, gays,lesbians, and others.

 

[turkish]

IMO, the world will loose its only remaining superpower and would turn multipolar

It has too.. The way China is growing,economically it will be ahead of US very soon.. I guess thats where communism's merits lies ...decisions and implementation happens almost immediately .. In democracy such as ours it takes too much time too many opinion and too many red tapes...