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Pakistani soldiers killed by the Taliban could not be declared martyrs: Munawar Hasan

Actually you Muslims made a mess out of 'Islam'. In Pakistan, Everyone has his own Islamic interpretation and Kuranic interpretation. Even If we only do macro analysis, you can find contradictions in two groups claiming to fight the same cause. This contradiction is visible in LEJ & TTP alliance, claimed to be allied Islamic forces. They support each other with manpower and material. LEJ is predominantly a Punjabi Muslim dominated forces fighting for the religious rights of Sunny Muslims and claims to be guardian of Islam, fighting broadly in all over Pakistan and Specifically in Punjab & Baluchistan, killing Shias. TTP is an Islamic force from pushtoon dominated areas and fighting with Punjabi and Sunni dominated Pakistani army and killing the army by declaring them as a 'Murtad' army. Contradiction is that LEJ chief is also part of army supported group 'Difa e Pakistan', dominated by Pak army supported 'Mujahidin' forces like LET and Jaish e Muhammad etc. and which rallied to support 26 Pakistani soldiers, killed by US forces at Salala post. Similarly there are a lot of Shias here at PDF supporting Kashmir cause of LET & Jaish e Muhammad, fighting on the name of Islam and also in bed with LEJ. When some educated bunch here at PDF has this type of contradictory approach, how can you expect from a common Pakistani to have clear vision about the 'true' Islam & TTP. One most Ironic example of contradiction is Afghan Taliban & TTP, both are same i.e. 'one' group just fighting under different names in two different countries. But irony is Pakistani's term one of them as freedom fighters and other one as terrorist according to their convenience. This contradiction will remain, prevail and continue harming national interests of Pakistan till you people have multiple standards defining terrorism.

Now at global stage, If you see Islamic world in macro view, you can see clearly and easily numerous Islams i.e. Persian has their own Islam, Syrians has its own Islam (even if Persia & many Syrians has a common sect,), Saudis promote their own kind of Islam (An Islam, in line with and guarding monarchy), Turkey has Its secular Islam, Malaysia has Its semi secular Islam, Egypt has three predominant Islams i.e. MB Islam, Al Noor Party or Al Qaida Islam and secular Islam, Pakistan has an amalgamated Islam i.e. so many Islams that you can't count them. In short, no other religion or country is responsible for your current state, Muslim himself has to owe the responsibility for this mess i.e., even if you dare to blame US for Afghan & Pakistani mess, how can you justify other Islamic blunders going on.
 
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Everyone has his own Islamic interpretation and Kuranic interpretation
It is a terrible Exaggeration !!

This contradiction is visible in LEJ & TTP alliance, claimed to be allied Islamic forces. They support each other with manpower and material. LEJ is predominantly a Punjabi Muslim dominated forces fighting for the religious rights of Sunny Muslims and claims to be guardian of Islam, fighting broadly in all over Pakistan and Specifically in Punjab & Baluchistan, killing Shias. TTP is an Islamic force from pushtoon dominated areas and fighting with Punjabi dominated Pakistani army and declaring them as a 'Murtad' army and killing them when ever get a chance.

LeJ, SSP ,TTP , JI etc follow the same sect of Islam ; DEOBAND , normally considered a sub sect of Sunnis , They not only kill shias , but also kill other Sunnis (who are much larger in number) who do not agree with their version of Islam (e.g ,By killing those people in bomb blasts who go to shrines of saints) . So they are the extremists of Islam

And TTP not kills Pak Army because it is punjabi dominated , Pakhtuns make up a big part of Army as well (only less than punjabis in numbers) and Pakhtuns are killed most by the TTP (Army ,FC and civilians). So "ethnicity" has got nothing to do with "extremism" in this war

LET and Jaish e Muhammad etc. and rallied to support 26 Pakistani soldiers killed by US forces a Salala post. Similarly there are a lot of Shias here at PDF supporting Kashmir cause of LET & Jaish e Muhammad, who are also fighting on the name of Islam. When some educated bunch here at PDF has a contradictory approach, how can you expect from a common Pakistani to be clear about the 'true' Islam.

LET is a totally different story . They are not Deoband . They have very clear agenda and that is "We have no difference with anyone who is muslim" . They are never involved in any kind of politics or secterain voilence within Pakistan despite their great strength , and thats why They have respect among Common Pakistanis . Their concept of jihad is "Jihad against Non Muslims Only" .. A doctrine shared by every muslim irrespective of sects
Then You are missing a very basic point here . Muslims have differences but when it comes to a foreign enemy , They stand united .. I dont know why you have a problem in understanding such a simple thing!

Muslim himself has to owe the responsibility for this mess i.e., even if you dare to blame US for Afghan & Pakistani mess, how can you justify other Islamic blunders going on.
This is true . No one but the muslims themselves are responsible for their plight . Even if supported and funded by others , Muslims are killing each other , they should realise this
 
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They are never involved in any kind of politics or secterain voilence within Pakistan despite their great strength , and thats why They have respect among Common Pakistanis . Their concept of jihad is "Jihad against Non Muslims Only" .. A doctrine shared by every muslim irrespective of sects
Ummm, that does not sound all too nice to me :ashamed:
 
in other words the only shaheed are members of JI & its student wing,,,, Hell Yeah.... :hitwall:
 
Ummm, that does not sound all to nice to me :ashamed:
Jihad and fighting in the name Of Allah is one of the most important aspects of Islam . And great rewards are promised By the creator himself in Koran .
Jihad is not a problem at all , the problem is exploitation of Muslims in the name of Jihad by some fanatic mullahs .. Terrorism and jihad are two opposite things ..
Jihad is obligatory only against aggression and oppression . And in Kashmir , The infidel Indian army has surely oppressed the Muslims and the army is the aggressor and terrorist and has forcefully occupied muslim territory !!!! So Jihad infact is a struggle against terrorism ... This is the common belief of masses in Pakistan !!
 
Why is SC not taking suo-motto notice of these statements..? After all they had time to notice the price of potato during last government's tenure..?
 
Munawar sahab is asking a simple question. When a US/NATO soldier dies in Afghanistan in this War on Terror is not shaheed so an allied soldier killed in Pakistan fighting War on Terror should also not be called a shaheed. There's no need to do so much randi roona on this simple issue by seculars and liberal fascists. Moreover I think this is just the start in coming days JI will be going on overdrive in their 'chitrol' of liberal fascists and beghairat brigade.
First of all I ask Munawar Hassan that killing a person who had killed more than 1000 people is haram or halal. When they were killing innocent people, where were he. What he was doing. Siyasat chamka rahy thy..
NATO/US are fighting afghan taliban and we are fighting TTP who say that we are branch of afghan taliban in Pakistan but they aren't. What is your definition for Shaheed. If you think the soldiers killed by a man whose orders have killed more than 45000 innocent people is no shaheed then you need to learn about Islam.
 
You are saying all these things because you are thinking as a Pakistani and out of patriotism for your country. Just put Pakistan and patriotism aside for a moment and think only and only as a Muslim and I am sure your answer would be different.
What Islam are you talking about? My Islam don't allow me to suicide by bomb blast and killing innocent people. There are approximately 57 muslim countries in the world and they are all killing in the name of Allah. Which Islam are you talking about? We are living in a Pakistan, a muslim country which have other religions too and they are allowed to perform their religious acts and festivals. Read article 20 in the constitution of Pakistan. But you think that you will get 72 hoors by blasting them and you do not accept the constitution of Pakistan.
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Ummm, that does not sound all too nice to me :ashamed:
Every sect have created their own definition of Jihad. Some say that killing everyone who call himself a muslim but don't obey is is Jihad. Some are against one sect. Some are against everyone in this world accept themselves. But in real, they are fitna they should be burned in hell.
 
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I believe that the 4000 soldiers who sacrificed their lives to protect our homeland are the real Shuhada and no fking mullah can make me change my belief........
 
Today, the kind of debate is going on toady, has again brought back the memory of that afternoon when God had mercy on us and Gen Zia-i-Haq vanished in flames of 40,000 liters of high grade purity fuel. When news spread in streets of Lahore like many other a group of us also thought that at last God has mercy on us. Our great mentor and educationalist put some ice on our emotions. At that time he said "what he has done to the nation, it can not be fixed in next 100 years, just at this time you are too young to realise the extent of this damage"

All his tenure he hatched the hatchery of "Chuas of Shah Daulah" these ideological Chuas are ever where now. They are among us, they are around us. Just look at the way how religion is brutally put ahead of Pakistan.

What about the soldiers who are Christian, Ahmadi, Sikh or Hindu according to these rates of Shah Daulah where these sons of soil stand.
 
Today, the kind of debate is going on toady, has again brought back the memory of that afternoon when God had mercy on us and Gen Zia-i-Haq vanished in flames of 40,000 liters of high grade purity fuel. When news spread in streets of Lahore like many other a group of us also thought that at last God has mercy on us. Our great mentor and educationalist put some ice on our emotions. At that time he said "what he has done to the nation, it can not be fixed in next 100 years, just at this time you are too young to realise the extent of this damage"

All his tenure he hatched the hatchery of "Chuas of Shah Daulah" these ideological Chuas are ever where now. They are among us, they are around us. Just look at the way how religion is brutally put ahead of Pakistan.

What about the soldiers who are Christian, Ahmadi, Sikh or Hindu according to these rates of Shah Daulah where these sons of soil stand.
its jst one way, of one eyed thinking , i must put here?
did genrl ZIA said in any of his, speaches that grow breads & kill eachothers?
the time he was, fighting a covert war with a super power, hungry for hotwaters, at that time RONALD REGAN was wellcoming the, beareded islamic gurus from war front of afghanistan!
just because, the cause was same, enemy was same?
only thing was, the fight was right & jihad was right?
sorry but to let you know, that if genrl ZIA was still living , we would not hve these political, thugs using these terrorsits on the name of islam?
clear it from your mind!
we hve enough, of this damocrazy!
 

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