Azerbaijan Defence Programs & Military Development

[Hakan]

The reality is that Russia has emerged as Azerbaijan's biggest partner, and this will continue to grow according to official statements, so I'm going with that. No matter what some random forum member (like K_B) tells you.

How? It cannot even be branded as "fourth-generation", does that tell something?

I'm sure it's not as simple as that, or something the decision makers wouldn't think of.

My point is that Russia isn't a reliable partner. They have so much money invested in Armenia that they would support it till doomsday. They will screw you over during a war with Armenia know doubt about that. They need Nagorno Karabakh to stay as part of Armenia because it keeps Turkey and Azerbaijan distracted in the southern caucasus. Russia will support armenia no matter what and that's why it is better work with other countries instead of Russia.

Il make a small list for you my "friend" .. or perhaps you can ask your military officers who train in our institutes.. Made an Azerbaijani friend while my Father was a DS at Arty School...

750 Km.. Land-Sea based .. terrain hugging stealth Cruise Missiles.. Babur ... Babur II with 1200+ Range under development for our Submarines n sea based assets.

500 Km .. Raad Air Launched Cruise missile.

H-4 .. 140 Km Stand off weapon.

H-2 ... 90 Km SOM

HAFR-I RPM (Also produced by Azerbaijan under ToT).

Armoured Personal Carriers and their variants... Used by Iraq etc.

Ahan Armoured Posts .. Also exported to several countries.

50-55 Km ranged KRL-122 MBRL with guided Missiles.. exported to BD and other countries.

Fast attack Missile Boats.. Larkana,Jalalat Classes.

Utility Ships,STUS etc.

Zarrar MBT.. Upgrade kits exported to Bangladesh.

K-8 Jet Trainer ... hundreds sold to Venezula,Egypt,Bolivia,Ghana,Burma,Namibia,SL,Zambia,Sudan,Zimbabwe etc

Mushak and Super Mushak trainers n Recon planes... sold to Iran,Syria,KSA,Oman,Egypt,Siera leone, etc... recent deal for 20 planes was worth 100 million dollars the whole package including training 190 million $?

Al Khalid MBT ... The basic variant beats your T-90s.... bought by Morroco,Myanmar,BD,Peru? .. the export version/downgraded per unit cost is 3.9 million $ ..

PIFV (Pak Infantry Fighting Vehicle)

Hamza IFV

Qaswa Armoured logistic carrying APC

Baktar Shikan ATGMs (Laser guided also developed) ... exported to Malaysia,Bangladesh,Egypt, etc.. even Bosnia (free during the war... destroyed serbian T-84s like shit) ..

Various PGMs and Laser guided bombs,Torpedos.

ZDK-3 AWACs produced with China etc...

Burraq UCAV

Shahpar UAVs

Border Eagle,Shadow,Scout,sentry UAVs.... the smaller ones also exported to UK,Austalia n USA homeland protection agencies etc..

Even Turkish ANKA UAV uses parts produced by PAC.

Anza series MANPADs exported to several countries including Malaysia n so on..

POF Eye (Pak Corner Shot type weapon)

etc etc etc etc etc.. can go on and on...

Not including weapons produced under ToT...

Like Agosta-90Bs,F-22 Sword class frigates,Azmat class FACs, etc etc.


JF-17s.. yes it beats mig-29s ..

Its armed with Raad ALCM,H-4,H-2,Takbir PGM,LS-6,SD-10A/B,MAR-1B-2 Anti radiation missiles,PL-5 series short ranged BVRs,CM-400 Hypersonic anti ship missiles,C series anti ship missiles with range till 290 KMs and so on... and yes its a JV... The new Blk-II variant cost 35+ million dollar per unit... comes with new goodies like IFR,IRST,new Pak-European jointly produced Pod among other upgrades not revealed yet..

Blk-I:

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PACs customers as per its old shitty website not updated (aviational complex .. one of many):

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His point is that Turkey produces all of those or will in the near future.

 

[Targon]

I think JF 17 could also be a logical choice as a base for TFX project, both Gripen and it are logical choices.

 

[ASQ-1918]

@DESERT FIGHTER

You can of course market these products in many places, I'm simple saying that Azerbaijan is already meeting it's demand from other countries (sevgili leginin tersten anladığı sözüm). With regards to your overly exaggeration about their capabilities, that is perhaps understandable, but I don't think many others would be convinced of that.

 

[RAMPAGE]

The reality is that Russia has emerged as Azerbaijan's biggest partner, and this will continue to grow according to official statements, so I'm going with that. No matter what some random forum member (like K_B) tells you.

How? It cannot even be branded as "fourth-generation", does that tell something?

I'm sure it's not as simple as that, or something the decision makers wouldn't think of.

Yeah we make crappy Chinese BS.

I'm sure our industry will survive without the addition of Azerbaijan's name to our long list of satisfied costumers.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@DESERT FIGHTER

You can of course market these products in many places, I'm simple saying that Azerbaijan is already meeting it's demand from other countries (sevgili leginin tersten anladığı sözüm). With regards to your overly exaggeration about their capabilities, that is perhaps understandable, but I don't think many others would be convinced of that.

Exegeration>?if these were exagerations.. countries wouldnt have bought our weapons.. nor would Pak export 800 million dollar worth weapons... despite us not investing much money and marketting and even not taking orders due to a war in our northern territories and a weak economy as a result of it..... im not a salesman .. nor is Pak dying for other countries to buy its products ...

 

[Worf]

I know this is going to sound soo cliche, but I think Azerbaijan should join the the T/FX project.

 

[RAMPAGE]

I think JF 17 could also be a logical choice as a base for TFX project, both Gripen and it are logical choices.

The only contribution a 4th Gen combat aircraft can make to a 5 Gen program is that it can be used as a test-bed for 5 Gen avionics.

I think Turkey can use F-16 as one.

@Dillinger

Am I right buddy ???

 

[Targon]

The only contribution a 4th Gen combat aircraft can make to a 5 Gen program is that it can be used as a test-bed for 5 Gen avionics.

I think Turkey can use F-16 as one.

@Dillinger

Am I right buddy ???

Actually its pretty much clear that they're going to use Gripen, process is going to be same as T 129, USA would no way would accept such demand for any of its planes, we will do it just like T 129, take full rights and cooperation for a platform and enchange it as much as you can with your own ability. We took the A 129, the final result only hull design(and not even it is completely same) is same between T 129 and A 129.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Yeah we make crappy Chinese BS.

I'm sure our industry will survive without the addition of Azerbaijan's name to our long list of satisfied costumers.

It is about the inventory that the country wants to hold; you can sell your products to small and poor countries; however, you cannot sell your products to some countries like Azerbaijan, Turkey or some other western countries, that is the point you ignore and go into offensive mod.

You should just get over it, for it is not only you WHO face that ugly truth.

Azerbaijan needs what can beat Russian weaponized Armenians.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Actually its pretty much clear that they're going to use Gripen, process is going to be same as T 129, USA would no way would accept such demand for any of its planes, we will do it just like T 129, take full rights and cooperation for a platform and enchange it as much as you can with your own ability. We took the A 129, the final result only hull design is same between T 129 and A 129.

Both T-129 and A-129 belong to the same generation. You can improve the generation that's all. Take F-18 for example, They succeeded in reducing it's RCS but the Super Hornet is still not a 5th Gen aircraft.

 

[xenon54 out]

It is about the inventory that the country wants to hold; you can sell your products to small and poor countries; however, you cannot sell your products to some countries like Azerbaijan, Turkey or some other western countries, that is the point you ignore and go into offensive mod.

You should just get over it, for it is not only you WHO face that ugly truth.

Azerbaijan needs what can beat Russian weaponized Armenians.

Pakistan sold us the technology for our SOM if im not wrong, they are years ahead of us in missile technology dont underestimate them.

 

[Targon]

Both T-129 and A-129 belong to the same generation. You can improve the generation that's all. Take F-18 for example, They succeeded in reducing it's RCS but the Super Hornet is still not a 5th Gen aircraft.

I don't remember reading anything about generation on TFX issue

Saw when I looked at wiki I was just checking official site whole time

I don't know, but its known they're going after Gripen, or may be not Gripen but Saab ? I don't know I have little information on this subject.

 

[RAMPAGE]

It is about the inventory that the country wants to hold; you can sell your products to small and poor countries; however, you cannot sell your products to some countries like Azerbaijan, Turkey or some other western countries, that is the point you ignore and go into offensive mod.

You should just get over it, for it is not only you WHO face that ugly truth.

Azerbaijan needs what can beat Russian weaponized Armenians.

There's a lot of things you new people need to learn. you just joined the club.

You'll learn.

You consider these countries as poor ???

These are just PAC's costumers.

 

[RAMPAGE]

It is about the inventory that the country wants to hold; you can sell your products to small and poor countries; however, you cannot sell your products to some countries like Azerbaijan, Turkey or some other western countries, that is the point you ignore and go into offensive mod.

You should just get over it, for it is not only you WHO face that ugly truth.

Azerbaijan needs what can beat Russian weaponized Armenians.

Our weapons are here to fight the biggest and most professional Militaries in this world.

Armenia is just a small piece of land. we have fought and won histories biggest Armored and Aerial battles and we know what quality standard is required to fight such battles so don't lecture us about quality.

Our Pilots were shooting down Russian Aircrafts even before Azerbaijan came into existence.

@Islamic faith&Secularism

 

[RAMPAGE]

Armenia uses Russian products, so my point is about the products not the country itself.

India also uses Russian products and our weapons are there to fight India.

As @DESERT FIGHTER said, we are not PAC's salesmen and we're not here to convince you guys that your country should buy our product but if you are trying to question JF-17's ability to combat any Mig-29 variant that armenia has then i'm here to correct you with proper analysis if you wan't to learn.