Japan Defence Forum

[sahaliyan]

Burma has big enemies--India. Aung San Suu Kyi's father rise to power fighting against India (British India, then British use Indians to oppress Burmese).

Also now USA is dead broke.

Burmese as a frontier country facing Hindic civilization next door know exactly the true color of India. I often visit Burmese bloggers site and you see a large number of them blogging about Manipur, Nagaland...etc

Burma is a friend of China. I am a Chinese and I hope to see China unifying all Sino-Tibetan tribe.

I'm also Chinese,but I don't want to see China unifying all Sino-Tibetan tribe,because there is no pan Sino-Tibetan movement in China,and as a person of Manchu root,we have nothing common to the Sino-Tibetan peoples outside China,we have relation with Han Chinese and Tibetans because of the political resons,not the cultural and blood,

 

[Lux de Veritas]

The idea of Pan yellow people Union is not conceive by me but by Japanese. Great Japanese thinker want a pan yellow union, and today Japanese elites like Hatoyama and Kenichi Ohmae advocate this.

Get real. Japan will never have future following USA.

 

[Aepsilons]

I think China should lead yellow people in EU style union.[/q

The Burmese put up a Great fight against the British in Ango Burmese war. They are truly great people. Indians surrender without fighting.

The Indians fought many wars against the British, they did not give in without a fight. In fact, there were many riots and rebellions under the British Raj.

As for Burma, yes, they fought 3 wars with the British known as the Anglo-Burmese Wars. They were very capable of defending their empire despite overwhelming power and odds of the British Army and their Indian Auxiliaries. Even when they were absorbed into the British Indian Empire, they (Burmese) showed extreme xenophobia against Indian ethnics who went to Burma as British servants and farmers. Riots were frequent and Burmese were known to massacre Indian migrant workers and simply throw their bodies into the river. In fact, it was so bad that the British governor in Burma had issued an edict that any Burmese group of more than 5 people wielding swords were to be fired upon, during the height of the riots. The British thus granted a separation between Burma and India in 1937. After Burma was granted independence, they effectively deported over 1 million Indians living in Burma, even those who were born and raised in Burma for countless generations.

The Burmese still retain a racist view of Bangladeshis, Indians. They are not very scared to show their open contempt for South Asian peoples.

The Burmese also look down on other South East Asian peoples, especially the Thais.

I'm also Chinese,but I don't want to see China unifying all Sino-Tibetan tribe,because there is no pan Sino-Tibetan movement in China,and as a person of Manchu root,we have nothing common to the Sino-Tibetan peoples outside China,we have relation with Han Chinese and Tibetans because of the political resons,not the cultural and blood,

You're right, in fact, it would be detrimental for China to adopt imperialistic policies on basis of ethnic solidarity. China should focus on China. There are many issues within China that needs attention, anyways.

 

[sahaliyan]

The idea of Pan yellow people Union is not conceive by me but by Japanese. Great Japanese thinker want a pan yellow union, and today Japanese elites like Hatoyama and Kenichi Ohmae advocate this.

Get real. Japan will never have future following USA.

I personaly like the East Asians form a Union,no war between the East Asian countries should be allowed,however we should respect each other's sovereignty and independent,but cooperate together

 

[Lux de Veritas]

The Indians fought many wars against the British, they did not give in without a fight. In fact, there were many riots and rebellions under the British Raj.

As for Burma, yes, they fought 3 wars with the British known as the Anglo-Burmese Wars. They were very capable of defending their empire despite overwhelming power and odds of the British Army and their Indian Auxiliaries. Even when they were absorbed into the British Indian Empire, they (Burmese) showed extreme xenophobia against Indian ethnics who went to Burma as British servants and farmers. Riots were frequent and Burmese were known to massacre Indian migrant workers and simply throw their bodies into the river. In fact, it was so bad that the British governor in Burma had issued an edict that any Burmese group of more than 5 people wielding swords were to be fired upon, during the height of the riots. The British thus granted a separation between Burma and India in 1937. After Burma was granted independence, they effectively deported over 1 million Indians living in Burma, even those who were born and raised in Burma for countless generations.

The Burmese still retain a racist view of Bangladeshis, Indians. They are not very scared to show their open contempt for South Asian peoples.

The Burmese also look down on other South East Asian peoples, especially the Thais.

The British and Indians screwed Burmese by "caste system". Burmese are deemed stupid and civil service jobs are given to imported Indians.

The Indians trading network also bankrupt the Burmese peasants.

 

[Aepsilons]

The British and Indians screwed Burmese by "caste system". Burmese are deemed stupid and civil service jobs are given to imported Indians.
The Indians trading network also bankrupt the Burmese peasants.

Yes, the Burmese suffered under British yoke, but it is absolutely (100%) wrong for you or anyone to blame the Indians for this. The Indians were encouraged by British to go into Burma, and many were Indian sepoys serving in the British Army. The people of India were also treated with contempt in their own country, many of them subjected to taxation, for the profit of the British.

It is erroneous to say that only the Burmese suffered under British empire. Indians , Nepalis, Bhutanis, Bangladeshi , Malays and Burmese all suffered under British Imperialism. All of them had their resources taken from them for the benefit of Britannia.

Thus, to quote Rudyard Kipling, all of this was the "White Man's Burden". The business of Empire.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Yes, the Burmese suffered under British yoke, but it is absolutely (100%) wrong for you or anyone to blame the Indians for this. The Indians were encouraged by British to go into Burma, and many were Indian sepoys serving in the British Army. The people of India were also treated with contempt in their own country, many of them subjected to taxation, for the profit of the British.

It is erroneous to say that only the Burmese suffered under British empire. Indians , Nepalis, Bhutanis, Bangladeshi , Malays and Burmese all suffered under British Imperialism. All of them had their resources taken from them for the benefit of Britannia.

With such arrangement of excluding local Burmese in favor of alien Indians in the elite establishments, you get fireworks. I am not blaming Indians 100%.

But Indians culture and their caste system has observable tendencies of favoring their own tribes completely irregardless of meritocracy and sectarian sensitivity. That has exacerbate the racial tension in British Burma.

 

[Aepsilons]

With such arrangement of excluding local Burmese in favor of alien Indians in the elite establishments, you get fireworks. I am not blaming Indians 100%.

But Indians culture and their caste system has observable tendencies of favoring their own tribes completely irregardless of meritocracy and sectarian sensitivity. That has exacerbate the racial tension in British Burma.

My friend, all humans are like this. The Burmese prefer their own to even ethnic minorities in Burma such as the Karen, Shan, Wa and Mon, who are repressed and persecuted. This is the reason why there are thousands of these so called Burmese refugees in the United States.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The idea of Pan yellow people Union is not conceive by me but by Japanese. Great Japanese thinker want a pan yellow union, and today Japanese elites like Hatoyama and Kenichi Ohmae advocate this.

Get real. Japan will never have future following USA.

Nippon has a small body but a big dream to become the leadership of the so-called "Pan Yellow Union".

There is no such union if China is not the leader.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

My friend, all humans are like this. The Burmese prefer their own to even ethnic minorities in Burma such as the Karen, Shan, Wa and Mon, who are repressed and persecuted. This is the reason why there are thousands of these so called Burmese refugees in the United States.

Some are better than the others. The Chinese being the least racist people is able assimilate minorities and put minorities in elite position. The Korean PRC do not like Korea at all and they see themselves as Chinese. Because China open up all positions to them.

http://isdpr.org/isdpr/publication/journal/30-1/5Choi Woo-Gil.pdf

I am not saying Chinese are not racist but I am saying Chinese are doing things better than many other tribes.

In case of Burma, the caste system impose by British and Indians, never mind who is right and who is wrong will see fireworks. I am not saying Burmese are saint, but I am saying British Burmese caste system is unsustainable.

Of course, Burmese is much racist than Chinese.

 

[Viet]

Quick question, I've read that Vietnam has recently received Kilo class submarines from Russia. How are they doing? Please post pictures.

hm...pls check in Vietnam defence section otherwise that will be off-topic if we post.
anyway here are some.

 

[Aepsilons]

hm...pls check in Vietnam defence section otherwise that will be off-topic if we post.
anyway here are some.

Thank you ! Its good to see that Vietnam has developed its submarine force.

 

[MarkusS]

It was an ecological travesty from the very beginning. We can also go into specific engineering details, too.

(I took several quantum mechanics , and mechanical engineering courses, lol).

We have a saying in italy: Water is full of beauty...until it rises its voice"

Both Japan and Italy share a sea faring tradition. And i think we both know that there is not much on this planet that has as much power as water. The 3 Gorges Dam enchained the Yangtze river. One of the most powerful rivers in they world. They created a monster. The river want break free and it will break free over short or long.

Too see what happenes, just look at egypt. The nile is also a powerful river, enchained from the aswan dam. The effects are a desaster. This is a war between nature and humans and the river nile fights on all fronts to get free. And the Nile is winning.

The nile delivers billions of tons of mud into the lake. In a few years the entire lake bed will be filled with mud and the nile will break its way through the dam.

The enormous weight of the water in the lake creates countless earthquakes. The sinking water level on the far away areas lead to desertification and salination. farm land gets unuseable. The fertile mud is not delivered anymore to the fields so the farmers must buy expensive fertilizer. And the worst aspect, because the nile does not carry sediments anymore, the nile delta gets eroded from the mediterranean sea. Egypt loses its most fertile land.

The situation is so bad, that politicians talk about to free the nile and deconstruct the dam. That would be a gigantic task.

When i visited egypt one of our guides told me that it is like you captured a dangerous animal. Like a tiger. You know one day it will be free and it will kill you.

Same starts in China already.

In europe we deregulate our rivers and lakes. The goal is to give them their freedom back.

The chinese military is aware of the dangers of this dam.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Storm across the Taiwan Strait

The 3 gorges dam is a military target for evry one of chinas rivals. Even USA suggests it as a prime target.

Thats what i said. China created a gigantic problem for itself.

 

[Jlaw]

It was an ecological travesty from the very beginning. We can also go into specific engineering details, too.

(I took several quantum mechanics , and mechanical engineering courses, lol).

And that makes you a dam expert.

Nippon has a small body but a big dream to become the leadership of the so-called "Pan Yellow Union".

There is no such union if China is not the leader.

Sort of like a more advance version of Vietnamese. Body of a midget, heart of a lion.

 

[somsak]

I hope that mongoloid race do not fight each other.
As I said again and again, I hate wars. Wars massarce great number of people. Don't make war, make love.

If China and Japan goes war, the winners are every country that does not join in. The biggest winner is US.
Japan will be uninhabitable. China vast farm land uninhabitable. Please gives me some good answer why do you need that?
Both side population reduce 50%. Is it good for Mongoloid race?

How IJA was defeated during WW2? It was defeated by oil cutting. No matter how good your tech is, you are going to use oil for jet engine (Except that there is a secret electrical jet engine). If without US help fighting, sure japan cannot secure its energy line as oil tankers are slow and are easily tracked. China on the other hand is an oil producer. The war to cut each other energy line will fight at South China Sea and strate of Malaga. US has the edge at strate of Malaga to switch on or off the energy line required by China. China then need to get energy from Pakistan friend's Gwardar port and from Russia. Therefore, Japan cannot take a fight without US involve. This make sure that Japan will still ally with US for foreseeable future. Look who get the colony? The almighty US. my friend. Look who can derail China development and probably bankrupt her? The almighty US my friend.

I think every one here knows all of this. I just repeat it again.

NO WAR between 2 Great Mongoloid race nations.