what kind of capabilities do the JF-17 BLK-1's offer to the PAF that they don't already have?

[thrilainmanila]

I was wondering what kind of capabilities do the current JF-17s offer to the PAF that they don't already have? from my understanding the JF-17 have a grifo-s7 radar and are incapable of BVR engagements.

 

[Genesis]

hard to say, what kind of capability did the JH-7 offer to China? Not much.

But I'll tell you one thing that it did offer, J-20. Without that first step with JH-7, we have no J-20 right now.

So if you want to know what JF-17 does, not much by itself, but nothing is really isolated is it.

 

[syedali73]

JF-17 is failed project, initiated to waste the precious resources of Pakistan (and of China). It offers no advantage(s) over Q-5 and Mirages it intends to replace. In-fact there is no comparison between double-engined Q-5 (JF-17 has only one) and delta-wing Mirage (designers wasted aluminum by adding elevators and LERX on JF-17). Both the Q-5 and Mirages had far more reliable and ergonomic instrument panels compared to JF-17's glass cockpit. The weapon suite of JF-17 is also far inferior to that of Mirages and Q-5. JF-17 cant even fire state-of-the-art AIM9P, Magic, Durandal anti-runway munition etc. PAF Pilots have reported to complaint about the presence of the fire control radar and data link in the JF-17 for they dearly miss old-style ground control-directed interception/combat. PAF pilots also disliked the air maneuvering capabilities of JF-17 because it is against their chivalry to fight in an airplane that would offer them any kind of advantage over their adversaries. Induction of brand-new FJ-17 also negates the advantage of having decades old flying machines for nothing is better than the aged wine. Unfortunately, JF-17 comes without strings attached to it, and PAF is used to of situations in which spares and munition for its front-line fighters were embargoed in the events of crisis. This is therefore a great disadvantage JF-17 offers to the PAF. Gaining the knowhow and establishing facilities for manufacturing modern fighter jets is also unnecessary since PAF has tremendous resources at hand to pick up any fighter of choice off the shelf from the international market.

So yes, JF-17 indeed offers no advantage over what PAF already has.

 

[Kompromat]

JF-17 is failed project, initiated to waste the precious resources of Pakistan (and of China).

On the basis of what?

It offers no advantage(s) over Q-5 and Mirages it intends to replace. In-fact there is no comparison between double-engined Q-5 (JF-17 has only one) and delta-wing Mirage (designers wasted aluminum by adding elevators and LERX on JF-17). Both the Q-5 and Mirages had far more reliable and ergonomic instrument panels compared to JF-17's glass cockpit.

I know someone who was part of the design team who studied the ergonomics of the JF-17 cockpit and has flown the jet himself. Being a veteran F-16 and Mirage Pilot, having spent years in Izmir Turkey on exchange with TurAF, he had a starkly different view from yours, who offers zero evidence to support his outrageous claims.

The weapon suite of JF-17 is also far inferior to that of Mirages and Q-5. JF-17 cant even fire state-of-the-art AIM9P, Magic, Durandal anti-runway munition etc.

All of JF-17 weapons are operational with the jet. The very fact that you don't know the difference between 'fire' and 'release' speaks volumes about your 'knowledge'. Here is a weapons suite displayed next to the JF-17s which now has been tested and integrated with the aircraft.

PAF Pilots have reported to complaint about the presence of the fire control radar and data link in the JF-17 for they dearly miss old-style ground control-directed interception/combat.

Who have they reported to? - Any source? - Any written account?

PAF pilots also disliked the air maneuvering capabilities of JF-17 because it is against their chivalry to fight in an airplane that would offer them any kind of advantage over their adversaries.

Then why are veteran F-16 pilots flocking to join the JF-17 squadrons, including WC Ronald?

Induction of brand-new FJ-17 also negates the advantage of having decades old flying machines for nothing is better than aged wine.

You mean to say that PAF should keep the flying coffins in the air even after they have run out of every single flight worthy hour of life?

So yes, JF-17 indeed offers no advantage over what PAF already has.

You are utterly and completely wrong about this subject.

Thank you.

 

[patriotpakistan]

JF-17 is failed project, initiated to waste the precious resources of Pakistan (and of China). It offers no advantage(s) over Q-5 and Mirages it intends to replace. In-fact there is no comparison between double-engined Q-5 (JF-17 has only one) and delta-wing Mirage (designers wasted aluminum by adding elevators and LERX on JF-17). Both the Q-5 and Mirages had far more reliable and ergonomic instrument panels compared to JF-17's glass cockpit. The weapon suite of JF-17 is also far inferior to that of Mirages and Q-5. JF-17 cant even fire state-of-the-art AIM9P, Magic, Durandal anti-runway munition etc. PAF Pilots have reported to complaint about the presence of the fire control radar and data link in the JF-17 for they dearly miss old-style ground control-directed interception/combat. PAF pilots also disliked the air maneuvering capabilities of JF-17 because it is against their chivalry to fight in an airplane that would offer them any kind of advantage over their adversaries. Induction of brand-new FJ-17 also negates the advantage of having decades old flying machines for nothing is better than aged wine. Unfortunately, JF-17 comes without strings attached to it, and PAF is used to of situations in which spares and munition for its front-lie fighters were embargoed in the events of crisis. This is therefore a great disadvantage JF-17 offers to the PAF. Gaining the knowhow and establishing facilities for manufacturing modern fighter jets is also unnecessary for PAF has tremendous resources at hand to pick up any fighter of choice off the shelf from the international market.

So yes, JF-17 indeed offers no advantage over what PAF already has.

I didn't get the sarcasm until the end. Well done sir. Very subtle.

@Aeronaut He was being sarcastic. He means the opposite of what he said.

 

[VelocuR]

I was wondering what kind of capabilities do the current JF-17s offer to the PAF that they don't already have? from my understanding the JF-17 have a grifo-s7 radar and are incapable of BVR engagements.

Are you Indian? Please show your correct flags

 

[Kompromat]

I didn't get the sarcasm until the end. Well done sir. Very subtle.

@Aeronaut He was being sarcastic. He means the opposite of what he said.

I was being counter sarcastic (playing the bad cop)

 

[HariPrasad]

JF-17 is failed project, initiated to waste the precious resources of Pakistan (and of China).

Had I said that, they would have Banned me from the forum.

 

[Kompromat]

Had I said that, they would have Banned me from the forum.

Read the post a few times

 

[HariPrasad]

Read the post a few times

Already read before posting the comment.

 

[Kompromat]

Already read before posting the comment.

You haven't read it good enough

 

[Viper0011.]

Had I said that, they would have Banned me from the forum.

I know, I am with you. I think JFT is worse than my hand made RC F-16. My RC flies much faster than the JFT and is a LOT more maneuverable than the JFT. I don't think the SU-30 can see my RC-F-16 C anywhere on its Radar. And I can lock onto an SU-30 from 20 feet away and chase him for a mile and still be invisible (and then my batteries run out)

 

[HariPrasad]

You haven't read it good enough

You May be right (Since you are a moderator)

@Aeronaut

Anyway can you lift my Ban from LCA news and discussion forum? I miss that forum.I was banned a long ago for silly reason.

 

[kaykay]

many things. especially that you get bvr capable aircrafts in number while you have no fear of being sanctioned and thus unlimited spare parts etc.

 

[HariPrasad]

I know, I am with you. I think JFT is worse than my had made RC F-16. My RC flies much faster than the JFT and is a LOT more maneuverable than the JFT. I don't think the SU-30 can see my RC-F-16 C anywhere on its Radar. And I can lock onto an SU-30 from 20 feet away and chase him for a mile and still be invisible (and then my batteries run out)

You took it wrong. I am not at all discussing the capability of JF 17 but I am discussing the lack of freedom of expression on the forum. I was banned by Oscar for comparing JF 17 and and LCA tejas on one forum. I am still banned from LCA discussion forum.

On one JF 17 forum. I was banned for replying a question of one member. He asked how much time JF 17 Block 2 will take to Arrive. I said that it will take some time and will not come soon.\

When it comes to LCA news and discussion, Moderators become hypersensitive and Emotional. I urge non Pakistani members to stay away from JF 17 discussion to avoid ban and warning.