what kind of capabilities do the JF-17 BLK-1's offer to the PAF that they don't already have?

[airmarshal]

On the basis of what?



I know someone who was part of the design team who studied the ergonomics of the JF-17 cockpit and has flown the jet himself. Being a veteran F-16 and Mirage Pilot, having spent years in Izmir Turkey on exchange with TurAF, he had a starkly different view from yours, who offers zero evidence to support his outrageous claims.



All of JF-17 weapons are operational with the jet. The very fact that you don't know the difference between 'fire' and 'release' speaks volumes about your 'knowledge'. Here is a weapons suite displayed next to the JF-17s which now has been tested and integrated with the aircraft.

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Who have they reported to? - Any source? - Any written account?



Then why are veteran F-16 pilots flocking to join the JF-17 squadrons, including WC Ronald?



You mean to say that PAF should keep the flying coffins in the air even after they have run out of every single flight worthy hour of life?



You are utterly and completely wrong about this subject.

Thank you.

You didn't get the sarcasm. Good job @syedali73

 

[thrilainmanila]

First of all, It's KLJ-7 in Block-1 not Grifo-7. Block-1 will be upgraded to Block-2 standard in a year or two. Your assumption Blk-1 will remains as it is absurd.

Performance wise it brought an enormous capability leap to 17th squadron fighting capabilities, It used to fly Q-5 . Do you seriously believe JF-17 Blk 1 is inferior in performance to Q-5 ?

I don't think its inferior to it. but the main purpose of the JF-17 was to provide the PAF with a BVR platform which it had been lacking for many years, the BLK-1 JF-17 doesn't have BVR capability from all accounts, The BLK-2 is what the blk-1 should have been. what air to air capabilities does the BLK-1 brink that makes it stand out from say the F-16/A/B that is in our service?

 

[Bratva]

I don't think its inferior to it. but the main purpose of the JF-17 was to provide the PAF with a BVR platform which it had been lacking for many years, the BLK-1 JF-17 doesn't have BVR capability from all accounts, The BLK-2 is what the blk-1 should have been. what air to air capabilities does the BLK-1 brink that makes it stand out from say the F-16/A/B that is in our service?

French screwed us or else JF-17 Blk 1 was planned to be BVR capable from get go. It took some years to make KLJ a BVR capable radar.

Now it is irrelevant to make comparisons, when we all know Block-1 has attained BVR capability last year.

 

[The SC]

JF-17 is failed project, initiated to waste the precious resources of Pakistan (and of China). It offers no advantage(s) over Q-5 and Mirages it intends to replace. In-fact there is no comparison between double-engined Q-5 (JF-17 has only one) and delta-wing Mirage (designers wasted aluminum by adding elevators and LERX on JF-17). Both the Q-5 and Mirages had far more reliable and ergonomic instrument panels compared to JF-17's glass cockpit. The weapon suite of JF-17 is also far inferior to that of Mirages and Q-5. JF-17 cant even fire state-of-the-art AIM9P, Magic, Durandal anti-runway munition etc. PAF Pilots have reported to complaint about the presence of the fire control radar and data link in the JF-17 for they dearly miss old-style ground control-directed interception/combat. PAF pilots also disliked the air maneuvering capabilities of JF-17 because it is against their chivalry to fight in an airplane that would offer them any kind of advantage over their adversaries. Induction of brand-new FJ-17 also negates the advantage of having decades old flying machines for nothing is better than the aged wine. Unfortunately, JF-17 comes without strings attached to it, and PAF is used to of situations in which spares and munition for its front-line fighters were embargoed in the events of crisis. This is therefore a great disadvantage JF-17 offers to the PAF. Gaining the knowhow and establishing facilities for manufacturing modern fighter jets is also unnecessary since PAF has tremendous resources at hand to pick up any fighter of choice off the shelf from the international market.

So yes, JF-17 indeed offers no advantage over what PAF already has.

Nice subtle sarcasm...

 

[thrilainmanila]

French screwed us or else JF-17 Blk 1 was planned to be BVR capable from get go. It took some years to make KLJ a BVR capable radar.

Now it is irrelevant to make comparisons, when we all know Block-1 has attained BVR capability last year.

no PAF JF-17 has been seen with SD-10s and PAF were complaining that the radar was too short legged for the SD-10. The chinese are still conducting tests on the SD-10 on the JF-17.
the Blk-2 JF-17 are basically what the Blk-1s were supposed to be and the BLK-3s will be what the Blk-2's were supposed to be.

 

[Zarvan]

no PAF JF-17 has been seen with SD-10s and PAF were complaining that the radar was too short legged for the SD-10. The chinese are still conducting tests on the SD-10 on the JF-17.
the Blk-2 JF-17 are basically what the Blk-1s were supposed to be and the BLK-3s will be what the Blk-2's were supposed to be.

Mr latest Block 1 is BVR capable and using BVR @Aeronaut @fatman17

 

[araz]

Mr latest Block 1 is BVR capable and using BVR @Aeronaut @fatman17

Bhai.
Why are you arguing with people who don't even understand the importance of JFT for PAF. Leave them to their dreams of JFT not being BVR capable and find more time to do constructive thinking and actions.
Araz

 

[SQ8]

no PAF JF-17 has been seen with SD-10s and PAF were complaining that the radar was too short legged for the SD-10. The chinese are still conducting tests on the SD-10 on the JF-17.
the Blk-2 JF-17 are basically what the Blk-1s were supposed to be and the BLK-3s will be what the Blk-2's were supposed to be.

Yeah sure. You have all the concrete info on that and the folks giving the interviews are lying to our faces.

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