Indian investments in Iran and what it means for us?

[The Last of us]

Something that iran shouldn't forget, ill thought out actions on your part will only force Pakistan to accept offers that safe guard our interests

You can do whatever you want. You can act like saudi slaves as much as you like and be used as cannon fodders. Just don't come to use telling us what we must do or not do. You're in no position to do that. Your country needs to concentrate on its economy and don't spend 24/7 thinking about India. This obsession is not healthy.

But anyway, whether you continue your issues with India is frankly of no interest to me or Iran as a whole. But I will tell you this again, don't ever tell Iran what it should do again. And your veiled threats are laughable. You cannot do anything which can harm Iran. Being a slave to the arabs has harmed your own country more than anyone else. The people in your country with this slave mentality needs to be dealt with. They're taking your country's prosperity hostage.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Dude for the 100th time... why would Iran harm pakistan for India??? or why would Iran give up it's relation with India for the sake of pakistani concern.... why wouldn't pak think before handing over it's port to chinese investment and allowing chinese to dock their subs...why pakistan handover parts of Kasmir in the view of India???? Iran will not sell their land for any one... We may not have realtion like pakistan and chinese which is deep blue sea and Sky high type... but we have decent friendship from past few centuries...
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Pakistan has no problem with Iran. Of all our borders the Iran/Pak border is the only one with almost zero Pak Army deployed. This says something about our stability and relationship with Iran.

As regards friendship with Iran it can't have been for centuries unless India existed in another universe. Prior to 1947 any relationship with Iran was in fact with the British Raj.

Pak's relationship with Iran was exceptional. In our war with India in 1965 and 1971 Iran left no ambiquity as to whose side she was on. Iran gave Pakistan fighter aircraft, ammunition and money during both wars against India. Iran was the first country to recognize Pakistan in 1947. I don't think we had a stronger ally then Iran.

In his book The Frontiers of Pakistan, Iranian scholar Dr. Mujtaba Razvi noted that, "almost without exception, Pakistan has enjoyed very cordial relations with Iran since its inception on 14 August 1947.[1] Iran was the first country to recognise Pakistan as an independent state, and Shah of Iran was the first Head of State to come on a state visit to Pakistan in March 1950

1976 Iranian postage stamp.

Iran–Pakistan relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only after 1980 and Pakistan's cozying up to Saudia Arabia did Iran and Pakistan drift apart. Increased Saudi and US influence meant the relationship came under strain. However despite the tensions there is little anomosity by either side. Yes, we do have a fringe lunatics who have sold their souls to Saudia but as was shown recently in a poll Iran enjoys a very positive opinion in Pakistan.

Today Iran/India entente is a child of the US imposed rigours on Iran. However this will weaken in time. India is getting closer to USA and Isreal. Iran without a doubt is a pragmatic nation but I think China will increasingly fill the breach in this region. Chah Bahar and Gwadar can both exist. Non are a threat to each other. I am also convinced Iran will never allow it's soil to be used by India against us.

I hope Iran's economy roars. With massive oil reserves Iran is now set for the sky and this can only be great news for Pakistan.

In depth Analysis: Pakistan and its relationship with Iran and Saudi Arabia - PKKH.tv

 

[hussain0216]

You can do whatever you want. You can act like saudi slaves as much as you like and be used as cannon fodders. Just don't come to use telling us what we must do or not do. You're in no position to do that. Your country needs to concentrate on its economy and don't spend 24/7 thinking about India. This obsession is not healthy.

But anyway, whether you continue your issues with India is frankly of no interest to me or Iran as a whole. But I will tell you this again, don't ever tell Iran what it should do again. And your veiled threats are laughable. You cannot do anything which can harm Iran. Being a slave to the arabs has harmed your own country more than anyone else. The people in your country with this slave mentality needs to be dealt with. They're taking your country's prosperity hostage.

On the contrary you cannot expect Pakistan to take iran or iranian considerations into account if you do not take Pakistans into account

If you give our mortal enemy close access to our western border then you only force our hand

You cant bitch about us supporting the Saudis against you if you are willing to help the indians

 

[The Last of us]

I hope Iran's economy roars. With massive oil reserves Iran is now set for the sky and this can only be great news for Pakistan.

This is what people should understand. Economical relation between Iran and India is not a threat to Pakistan. Minus the recent border tensions, the is no other problem between Iran and Pakistan. Iran will inevitably become a much greater power, both militarily, and economically. This should not be viewed as threat by any friendly state of Iran. And as of yet, Pakistan is a friendly state to Iran and I don't see that changing unless something drastic happens.

Iran will not allow any foreign nation to have a base in our soil. Forgetting the fact having foreign bases is against our constitution/law, a Persian has too much pride to allow another country have a base in Iran. It will never happen.

So Pakistan has nothing to worry about.

 

[hussain0216]

Pakistan has no problem with Iran. Of all our borders the Iran/Pak border is the only one with almost zero Pak Army deployed. This says something about our stability and relationship with Iran.

As regards friendship with Iran it can't have been for centuries unless India existed in another universe. Prior to 1947 any relationship with Iran was in fact with the British Raj.

Pak's relationship with Iran was exceptional. In our war with India in 1965 and 1971 Iran left no ambiquity as to whose side she was on. Iran gave Pakistan fighter aircraft, ammunition and money during both wars against India. Iran was the first country to recognize Pakistan in 1947. I don't think we had a stronger ally then Iran.

In his book The Frontiers of Pakistan, Iranian scholar Dr. Mujtaba Razvi noted that, "almost without exception, Pakistan has enjoyed very cordial relations with Iran since its inception on 14 August 1947.[1] Iran was the first country to recognise Pakistan as an independent state, and Shah of Iran was the first Head of State to come on a state visit to Pakistan in March 1950

1976 Iranian postage stamp.

Iran–Pakistan relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only after 1980 and Pakistan's cozying up to Saudia Arabia did Iran and Pakistan drift apart. Increased Saudi and US influence meant the relationship came under strain. However despite the tensions there is little anomosity by either side. Yes, we do have a fringe lunatics who have sold their souls to Saudia but as was shown recently in a poll Iran enjoys a very positive opinion in Pakistan.

Today Iran/India entente is a child of the US imposed rigours on Iran. However this will weaken in time. India is getting closer to USA and Isreal. Iran without a doubt is a pragmatic nation but I think China will increasingly fill the breach in this region. Chah Bahar and Gwadar can both exist. Non are a threat to each other. I am also convinced Iran will never allow it's soil to be used by India against us.

I hope Iran's economy roars. With massive oil reserves Iran is now set for the sky and this can only be great news for Pakistan.

If they allow india access then they have already allowed india to act against us

Any promise to contain india is good as the promise Afghanistan gave us


It has now taken us 5 years to seriously harm indian interests in Afghanistan

 

[The Last of us]

On the contrary you cannot expect Pakistan to take iran or iranian considerations into account if you do not take Pakistans into account

If you give our mortal enemy close access to our western border then you only force our hand

You cant bitch about us supporting the Saudis against you if you are willing to help the indians

I wasted enough time with you. I am not going around in circles. I made my statements crystal clear to you multiple times, there is nothing more to discuss.

 

[Spectre]

Pakistan has no problem with Iran. Of all our borders the Iran/Pak border is the only one with almost zero Pak Army deployed. This says something about our stability and relationship with Iran.

As regards friendship with Iran it can't have been for centuries unless India existed in another universe. Prior to 1947 any relationship with Iran was in fact with the British Raj.

Pak's relationship with Iran was exceptional. In our war with India in 1965 and 1971 Iran left no ambiquity as to whose side she was on. Iran gave Pakistan fighter aircraft, ammunition and money during both wars against India. Iran was the first country to recognize Pakistan in 1947. I don't think we had a stronger ally then Iran.

In his book The Frontiers of Pakistan, Iranian scholar Dr. Mujtaba Razvi noted that, "almost without exception, Pakistan has enjoyed very cordial relations with Iran since its inception on 14 August 1947.[1] Iran was the first country to recognise Pakistan as an independent state, and Shah of Iran was the first Head of State to come on a state visit to Pakistan in March 1950

1976 Iranian postage stamp.

Iran–Pakistan relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only after 1980 and Pakistan's cozying up to Saudia Arabia did Iran and Pakistan drift apart. Increased Saudi and US influence meant the relationship came under strain. However despite the tensions there is little anomosity by either side. Yes, we do have a fringe lunatics who have sold their souls to Saudia but as was shown recently in a poll Iran enjoys a very positive opinion in Pakistan.

Today Iran/India entente is a child of the US imposed rigours on Iran. However this will weaken in time. India is getting closer to USA and Isreal. Iran without a doubt is a pragmatic nation but I think China will increasingly fill the breach in this region. Chah Bahar and Gwadar can both exist. Non are a threat to each other. I am also convinced Iran will never allow it's soil to be used by India against us.

I hope Iran's economy roars. With massive oil reserves Iran is now set for the sky and this can only be great news for Pakistan.

I won't comment on Iran - Pakistan relation but your analysis of Indo- Iran relation is bit off kilter. Instead of weakening it's gonna strengthen as sanctions were the only thing holding us back from going all in on Iran, still we stood by them as much as we could despite tremendous US pressure. I would interested in knowing how Pakistan helped Iran during it's sanction days. The better barometer of friends is who helped during tough times.

I won't say our relation was purely altruistic and tension free as even we got oil at cheaper prices and once had to vote against Iran in UN after 123 agreement but still we had the guts to do transactions when the whole wide world was following the US's lead.

I personally know the pain of Indians and Iranians going by torturous route our transactions used to take place due western control over SWIFT.

Sure China can offer more cash but they already have Gwadar, so it doesn't make sense for them to duplicate their assets. While China may be 5 times bigger than India that means for every 5 Chinese wins we will get one too. So we pick and play our cards carefully and don't throw our money all around the world like Chinese are doing.

I wish all the best for Pakistan in improving its ties with Iran but don't expect your ties to affect our relationship. Infact best thing would be for India and Pakistan to collaborate in Iran and Afganishtan but I guess going by the attitude of some members here that's asking too much

 

[Sal12]

You can do whatever you want. You can act like saudi slaves as much as you like and be used as cannon fodders. Just don't come to use telling us what we must do or not do. You're in no position to do that. Your country needs to concentrate on its economy and don't spend 24/7 thinking about India. This obsession is not healthy.

But anyway, whether you continue your issues with India is frankly of no interest to me or Iran as a whole. But I will tell you this again, don't ever tell Iran what it should do again. And your veiled threats are laughable. You cannot do anything which can harm Iran. Being a slave to the arabs has harmed your own country more than anyone else. The people in your country with this slave mentality needs to be dealt with. They're taking your country's prosperity hostage.

When Saudia has invited Pakistan to join its campaign against Houthis then Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif took no time to come in Pakistan on 2nd week of April, 2015 and has requested (yes requested) Pakistan not to join a Saudi-led campaign against Iran-allied Houthi forces in Yemen.

If this is what you are preaching then you could have stopped your minister to come to Pak. Act before you preach others.

 

[Super Falcon]

Why can't you people proudly can say that gwadar connects to rest of pakistan rather than poodle to china ? So your statements itself tells that your country is just a toll collector for some ones goods.By the way the gwadar is just practically connected to west of under developed china and nothing towards east of china where majority cities lyes.



Ha ha you are just a looser, go through pages buddy...

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What is ur probleum cant see pak progrssive it is in ur blood u r the people who never let asia become ecnomical power sometimes u stand against us sometimes china mayanmar ur issue us u r arrogant in nature which dont suits u being tiny front of china who bashes u every day with any field go do ud work in chabhar mark my words it will benefit iran not u but gwadar is reality most of world do bussiness with china airbus addidas etc all put their facilities to china not in india and iran so stop being stupid rafale jet makers said we dont give gurantees of indian made rafale jets becoz poor manpower of india it is ur marketing u pay trillions for make in india but in reality it is nothing even usa making fool of u just to sell military equipment but they dont sell u civil nuke tech so stop being stupid

 

[hussain0216]

When Saudia has invited Pakistan to join its campaign against Houthis then Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif took no time to come in Pakistan on 2nd week of April, 2015 and has requested (yes requested) Pakistan not to join a Saudi-led campaign against Iran-allied Houthi forces in Yemen.

If this is what you are preaching then you could have stopped your minister to come to Pak. Act before you preach others.

This is exactly what I am saying we took them into consideration because we have to live with them

And they expect us to ignore them aiding our enemy


Maybe we should dispatch our foreign minister and ask them to reconsider

 

[Indus Pakistan]

On the contrary you cannot expect Pakistan to take iran or iranian considerations into account if you do not take Pakistans into account

If you give our mortal enemy close access to our western border then you only force our hand

You cant bitch about us supporting the Saudis against you if you are willing to help the indians

Stop with this rubbish. The Iranian's will not allow, repeat NOT allow any military facelties or services to India that threaten our western borders. Iranian's are very savvy and they know that whatever short term benefits they would get would be lost in the long term. We are their neighbours. Allies come and go but you can't change neighbours.

Asides as @The Last of us said Iraniian's are very nationalistic and just under the surface the Persian tradition acts on their pride. Only if we allowed say Saudi or US base on our border with Iran would Iran think of allowing India although I think even than they would not. India can do what it wants but our western borders are safe.

All Iran/India relationship is based on simple economics of trade. Even these will morph now because frankly the sanction regime had created a restricted trading environment for Iran under which India got undue preferance, Now that is about to change and expect in time rush of German/European and Japanes/Chinese companies move in hitherto vacant space lorded over by India.

So even that shadow will reduce. This nuclear deal is good for Iran and almost as good for Pakistan. For a start we need to get the gas pipe going .....

Ps. Will you Pakistani's not get into measuring up against the Ganga dwellers please. The Indian's can only compare with a small country like Pakistan to feel good. They need to do that to salve their pride which gets a proper pounding from country their size - the Chinese.

 

[Super Falcon]

Mr nair chabhar is conbecting u to afghanis only nothing more where only drugs u get or hard mountains thats the end ur developing it since 1990 25 years what u have done nothing and other side of chabhar lies gulf no gulf country like any ship which has good narking gulf nation even use ut and dont forget israel is against iran if u help iran u lose israel if u dont than loose iran so in both scinerios we ard in win and ur loosers

 

[The Last of us]

Stop with this rubbish. The Iranian's will not allow, repeat NOT allow any military facelties or services to India that threaten our western borders. Iranian's are very savvy and they know that whatever short term benefits they would get would be lost in the long term. We are their neighbours. Allies come and go but you can't change neighbours.

Asides as @The Last of us said Iraniian's are very nationalistic and just under the surfece the Persian tradition acts on their pride. Only we we allowed say Saudi or US base on our border with Iran would Iran think of allowing India although I think even than they would not. India can do what it wants but our western borders are safe.

All Iran/India relationship is based on simple economics of trade. Even these will morph now because frankly the sanction regime had created a restricted trading environment for Iran under which India got undue preferance, Now that is about to change and expect in time rush of German/European and JJapanes/Chinese companies move in hitherto vacant space lorded over by India.

So even that shadow will reduce. This nuclear deal is good for Iran and almost as good for Pakistan. For a start we need to get the gas pipe going .....

I think you and I are wasting our time here. Either these guys are too emotional or too young to understand these things. As soon as they see "Iran-India" they automatically assume something existentially bad for Pakistan.
Also to clarify, Even if you guys allowed Isreali bases on your soil, Iranians still would not allow a foreign base on Iran's soil. Pride is a killer bro

 

[Super Falcon]

Loosers even after investing billions and 25 years

Israel will hit u where it hurts so dont live in fantasy nair u cant keep two millions jn one hand u have to loose on and iran never allow u to do any raw inteligence from there

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I think you and I are wasting our time here. Either these guys are too emotional or too young to understand these things. As soon as they see "Iran-India" they automatically assume something existentially bad for Pakistan.
Also to clarify, Even if you guys allowed Isreali bases on your soil, Iranians still would not allow a foreign base on Iran's soil. Pride is a killer bro

Lot of them are kids whose window on the world is cartoons. I have had many Iranian friends so I know the Iranian psyche well. At any rate the world is made up of all sorts, the good, the bad, the ugly and finally fools ......

Maybe that is a good thing. Think about this, me and you would not look good if there were no fools. Everything is relative.